Season 7 Episode 2 "Stormborn" - "Book readers"

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Savage Tyrant

Yeah, that cut away from Jorah's greyscale to the bowl of food can fück right off... Grim!

Missandei is a fine fine shaped woman... But grey worm's little worm was less than useless. At least his tongue was put to good use for the first time because his speech scenes are worse than terrible.

wp_rathead

While he is nothing like the book version, I fecking loved Euron in this episode- killing 2/3 sand snakes was a plus.
I'm half asleep, did he kill Yara in the end? Or she still alive?

Wonder will he tie Elia to the Prow of the Silence like he did Falia Flowers?

Also I guess there is still alot of Reek in Theon afterall. Wonder where his arc goes now

rawn

What. An. ENDING!

I know loads of things bothered me about this episode but I'm going to forget about them til tomorrow and ride the high from that ending. Can't wait til next week.

Savage Tyrant

With Arya's dire wolf getting a major scene, you'd think they'd at least give a nod as to where Ghost has been in recent episodes.
Looks like Littlefinger will seize control of the North through Sansa in Jon's absence. Likely with the information that Jon is a Targaryen. If he doesn't have that information already (I thought he was about to drop it in the crypt) then Bran should be arriving with it at Winterfell in the next episode. He clearly doesn't have a teleportation device like Jamie and Varys had last season. Obviously not as quick without his Hor...dor.
Arya should also be arriving soon. I expect all the legitimate Stark children to be reunited in Winterfell soon.
That naval battle scene was fantastic. Little dissapointing the Theon regressed again. Though I think getting Wine for Elleria (sp?) foreshadowed that. No idea where his arc goes from here.

ZeitgeistGlee

mfw I want to complain about how yet again the episode dedicated too much time to pointless character fluffing (Grey Worm/Missandei) over actually advancing the plot and what little plot advancement we got didn't make a huge amount of sense but the last five minutes killed two Sand Snakes so I'm automatically obliged to give everything I didn't like before that a pass. :pac:

Bonus points for Sansa yet again undermining Jon at council and Varys and Dany's affiliation being so clumsily handled due to Aegon being removed.

letowski

wp_rathead wrote:

While he is nothing like the book version, I fecking loved Euron in this episode- killing 2/3 sand snakes was a plus. I'm half asleep, did he kill Yara in the end? Or she still alive?

Think both her and Ellaria are going to be hostages.

ZeitgeistGlee

Is there any other reason Jon is taking Davos with him to Dragonstone other than Davos is familiar with how to get there/the physical layout? Seems like he'd be much better left as the rational/common sense counsellor to Sansa to counterbalance Littlefinger's inevitable machinations. Davos doesn't know Dany, or her supporters particularly well so aside from general support it doesn't seem like he'd be a great amount of use and will likely get overly emotional when he sees Mel again.

Riddle101

The episode was pretty good. I thought the sea battle was a little too short. They kind've crammed it all in for the final five minutes of the show. They could have done away with some other scenes like the romance scene, and saved room for the battle, but I guess they got the message clear.

I'm disappointed with Theon but I guess he fled because he saw that there was no hope anyway, if he had stayed he might have been captured, and Yara would have been killed.

Euron doesn't mess about. He was the first one off the boat and started hacking away straight away. Then he cut down those two sand snakes, and captured Yara. He was pretty badass this episode, even if he was only in it for the last 5 minutes.

Kunkka

Good episode, so that wasn't Nymeria?

Jesus Theon's arch has plummeted again!

theteal

Am I the only one who's convinced they're setting it up for Theon to grow some metaphorical bits and come back to save the day?

Anyway, just when you thought nothing was happening (other than a bit girl on girl), Euron's big lunatic head pops up to save the episode.

Questions. How long would it take for a dragon to fly up to Winterfell? Also, couldn't one of them have flown ahead to scout the route for the ships?

Daith

Kunkka wrote: »

Good episode, so that wasn't Nymeria?

It was but I think like Arya before her she's "no one" atm. I fully expect Nymeria to reappear saving Arya. (Actually I don't expect her to be seen again. The show really doesn't like featuring them and I get their reasons)

Ghost must be huge by now too?

I could have done without the Missandei and Grey Worm scene even if I like both characters individually.

The episode zipped along other than that. Dany spelling out her plan and now 2/4 of her allies are captured and I'm not holding up much hope for another 1/4.

I think the dragons aren't invincible line won't help Cersei as much as someone else.

EagererBeaver

When are they going to get to the fireworks factory?

The Missandei/Grey Worm scene was beyond ridiculous. A waste of five minutes.

Good battle scene though. Thought that was going to be The one's final redemption for a second. Alas, he really is and always will be a cockless coward.

Daith

I forgot how much I enjoyed Euron starting his attack in silence. Very appropriate.

Sam's "something more poetic" line...hmm whatever could that be.

I'm not looking forward to the Sand Snakes meeting Cersei. I mean hate their portrayal but eugh.

Nody

EagererBeaver wrote: »

redemption for a second. Alas, he really is and always will be a cockless coward.

I think you got him wrong on this one; I think he recognised the fight was lost and Euron would kill his sister so he fled to free her later instead and then kill Euron with a dirk in the back instead. Gut feeling only but I think he's in for a redemption ark in general but I cold be wrong.

EagererBeaver

Nody wrote: »

I think you got him wrong on this one; I think he recognised the fight was lost and Euron would kill his sister so he fled to free her later instead and then kill Euron with a dirk in the back instead. Gut feeling only but I think he's in for a redemption ark in general but I cold be wrong.

We'll see. Possibly.

rawn

EagererBeaver wrote:

We'll see. Possibly.

I think it might simply be down to knowing she was lost and refusing to get captured by anyone ever again, no matter what.

After the Snakes conversation about the Mountain in the episode, i can imagine Cersei gives Elia and Stabby Snake to him, like she did with the septa. It would be cool if they did manage to break free and kill him!

bnt

Varys is lucky to be alive, there. I thought we'd seen the last of Melisandre, but now she's back advising Dany? Tyrion clearly doesn't know the role she played in the death of Renly Baratheon, and might not be so accepting of her if he did. :eek:

I honestly think that was Yara hanging from the bowsprit of her ship at the end, there - that she's dead. Euron wanted her dead, and he has Ellaria Sand as a hostage, so he doesn't need her. Except to torture her, perhaps. So dead would be better.

rawn

It was Whippy Snake, hanging from her whip. Yara is useful as a hostage against Daeny.

Also, Jon and Davos are en route to Daeny. They won't be too happy to see Melisandre after swearing to kill her if they saw her again.

Varik

bnt wrote: »

Varys is lucky to be alive, there. I thought we'd seen the last of Melisandre, but now she's back advising Dany? Tyrion clearly doesn't know the role she played in the death of Renly Baratheon, and might not be so accepting of her if he did. :eek:

I honestly think that was Yara hanging from the bowsprit of her ship at the end, there - that she's dead. Euron wanted her dead, and he has Ellaria Sand as a hostage, so he doesn't need her. Except to torture her, perhaps. So dead would be better.

Definitely not Yara, and Tyrion "accepted" the one who killed his niece.

CMOTDibbler

Well now we know what Euron's 'great gift' is. Cersei will be so pleased.

amos13

Have we just had the first hint that Azor Ahai and the prince that was promised are two different people? Mel telling Dany that she has a role to play as does another?

We have no indication yet that Bran will head to Winterfell, but I'm surprised that a raven hasn't even arrived from CB to inform Jon of his existence. Considering ravens were sent and received during the course of this episode and CB is closer.

Nymeria is fecking HUGE. That's what I expected direwolves to be like, ghost is a scrawny yoke altogether.

Good episode, but I must ask, why did the ironborn bring the sand sisters to Dorne? In the closing scene of season 6, they had their own ships. This episode seemed to infer they didn't?

CMOTDibbler

amos13 wrote: »

Have we just had the first hint that Azor Ahai and the prince that was promised are two different people? Mel telling Dany that she has a role to play as does another?

Well I suppose we need to be kept in suspense since there are far fewer candidates now.

amos13 wrote: »

We have no indication yet that Bran will head to Winterfell, but I'm surprised that a raven hasn't even arrived from CB to inform Jon of his existence. Considering ravens were sent and received during the course of this episode and CB is closer.

Castle Black is without a Maester at the moment. Perhaps there's somebody there who can read and write, but it's not a given.

amos13 wrote: »

Good episode, but I must ask, why did the ironborn bring the sand sisters to Dorne? In the closing scene of season 6, they had their own ships. This episode seemed to infer they didn't?

There were a few Dorne ships in the fleet, but probably not enough to provide an escort. And even then...

J. Marston

I hope Ghost is that big when we see him next but maybe Nymeria is bigger because she's wild. Ghost is kinda domesticated.

FunLover18

Is Littlefinger on Arya's list?

Euron should be poisoned at this stage after that fight with the sandsnakes, lest we forget how they got the name, although I suspect the show has conveniently forgot that little detail.

Ninjavampire

While the Greyworm/ Missandei scene lasted too long, I liked how we got more insight into his character and how he became the leader of the Unsullied army, addressing the obvious fact that he doesn't appear the strongest or most capable warrior at first glance.

CMOTDibbler

FunLover18 wrote: »

Is Littlefinger on Arya's list?

Euron should be poisoned at this stage after that fight with the sandsnakes, lest we forget how they got the name, although I suspect the show has conveniently forgot that little detail.

Would they have poison on their weapons at all times? And would it not deteriorate or even accidentally poison someone?

Triceratops Ballet

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Castle Black is without a Maester at the moment. Perhaps there's somebody there who can read and write, but it's not a given.

But Bran and Meera can both read and write at a minimum

EagererBeaver

Reading and writing is only part of it. Plenty can do that. "Ravenry" is a skilled discipline however - maesters have a dedicated coloured link on their chain for it.

Daith

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Reading and writing is only part of it. Plenty can do that. "Ravenry" is a skilled discipline however - maesters have a dedicated coloured link on their chain for it.

Bran can warg a Raven to and send it to Winterfell?

I'm surprised the Snakes don't hold poison vials to use if captured.

amos13

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Reading and writing is only part of it. Plenty can do that. "Ravenry" is a skilled discipline however - maesters have a dedicated coloured link on their chain for it.

We're talking about the brother of the king in the north, who can warg any animal, knows all history, is literally the three eyed "raven" and has been apart from his family for 6 years so surely must be desperate to make contact. There's no impediment to him getting word to Jon. Unless there is a reason for him not to tell Jon that he's yet another sibling back from the dead