Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

blinding

J.pilkington wrote: »

tacofries wrote: »

I'm not saying it's less important but rather early stage/not knock out, hence why I had it in '____'. A win today would have been huge, no doubt about it.

Bad choice of words on my part.

Are you aware of the consequences of today’s loss?

As I understand it Mayo will now face 8 knock out games in order to reach the all Ireland final and Mayo have used up a lot of ‘get out of jail cards’ due to poor performances in the qualifiers over the last number of years so they either turn up the wick immediately (rather than waiting for the final) or their luck will run out.

I think it’s questionable whether the Mayo team are up for this long unglamorous journey

Every day in Mayo Colours is a Glamourous Day . The Green and Red has a Glamour all of its own .

jr86

Not as despondent this morning I must say.

At the end of the day it becomes a brand new championship in the Super 8s. It's all about getting there in the first place, no matter the route. You'd still have to fancy Mayo against anyone in the back door (I fully expect Tyrone to beat Monaghan)

If that galway team are really a contender it shows there's not much out there at all. Yesterday's game will long be forgotten about come July

When it comes down to it, it may not take that much at all to go on a run and be there or thereabouts again

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Donegal or Monaghan. Only 2 teams that MIGHT give Dublin a run for it.

LOL a team who had their arse handed to them by Dublin in their two championship meetings the last few years and a team just relegated from Division 1 and blitzed by Galway last year

ArielAtom

Dublin man just dropping in to wish Tom Parsons all the best with his recovery, it looked a horrible injury and it will be a long road back, if anyone can do it, its him. Savage footballer and a huge loss for Mayo.

Audioslaven

J.pilkington wrote: »

Are you aware of the consequences of today’s loss?

As I understand it Mayo will now face 8 knock out games in order to reach the all Ireland final and Mayo have used up a lot of ‘get out of jail cards’ due to poor performances in the qualifiers over the last number of years so they either turn up the wick immediately (rather than waiting for the final) or their luck will run out.

I think it’s questionable whether the Mayo team are up for this long unglamorous journey

There are two ways to look at this : like you do and it is the end of the road or we could possibly play ourselves into some form and iron out the issues around the forward line, midfield with Tom Parsons gone. We are pretty solid in defense.

In a funny way after yesterdays result, injury and a lack of focus up front, the qualifiers may not be the worst route in the world.

jr86

I might say it's the end of the road if Mayo were completely lifeless and took a hammering but there was certainly no faulting the endeavour. Silly mistakes cost mayo but it was a kick of the ball in it. But of course you'll get cliches and lazy analysis galore during championship season

Guys like J Durcan and hanley could get some meaningful game time now and COC, keegan, Harrison, Barrett (who looked well off the pace yesterday) and vaughan can now potentially play themselves back into match fitness, so as Audioslaven says, going through the qualifiers might not overly be a bad thing this year

The only issue is it looks like we haven't found anyone new who will add to the team and we're probably relying on the same stagers as last year to play 10 matches again (pending Hanley and Durcan). I like O'Donoghue but he was out of his depth yesterday and Coen makes way too many poor decisions on the ball.

jr86

Audioslaven wrote: »

We are pretty solid in defense.

And just on this point which is very overlooked. We conceded one goal (out of nowhere really) against a damn good forward unit. If Rochford has done anything brilliantly it's tightened up the defence hugely. Defensive issues probably cost us in both 2014 and 15

km79

Also far from despondent
2 main worries for me however
1. Parsons out is huge

Stoner

There's a general opinion in the media, BTW is Sports joe run by Mayo man?

Anyway the opinion seems to be that these lads that get sent off are to blame or at least are turning points in these games

IMO I didn't see Mayo as being superior up until the sending off yesterday. It was a congested, restricted game of football before and after.

I also noted that at around 60 minutes to 70 that Galway had some serious wides, short efforts at points etc.

I recognise that Mayo missed opportunities to put the game away but I thought Galway could have closed it out better too.

There was plenty of fire in the belly alright, but to me looking in I would not say that DOC sending off was a turing point.
I wouldn't say Mayo are finished but without Keegan, Parsons and COC scoring regularly they look average.

I think Mayo can survive in midfield if AOS , SOS and Vaughan stand up to it.

Keegan will be needed at half back imo.

Again I thought Loftus wasn't up to speed yesterday. Mayo need a couple of younger lads to start these games imo, they need fresh experience at the end to close out games.

PARlance

Most sport media is run by Mayo men Stoner, apart from when we get ambushed by the Dublin orchestra...

Yip, Joe is run by a Castlebar man.

blinding

Its an open draw in the qualifiers isn’t it . We could do with a bit of luck but who couldn’t ?

PressRun

Stoner wrote: »

There's a general opinion in the media, BTW is Sports joe run by Mayo man?

Anyway the opinion seems to be that these lads that get sent off are to blame or at least are turning points in these games

IMO I didn't see Mayo as being superior up until the sending off yesterday. It was a congested, restricted game of football before and after.

I also noted that at around 60 minutes to 70 that Galway had some serious wides, short efforts at points etc.

I recognise that Mayo missed opportunities to put the game away but I thought Galway could have closed it out better too.

There was plenty of fire in the belly alright, but to me looking in I would not say that DOC sending off was a turing point.
I wouldn't say Mayo are finished but without Keegan, Parsons and COC scoring regularly they look average.

I think Mayo can survive in midfield if AOS , SOS and Vaughan stand up to it.

Keegan will be needed at half back imo.

Again I thought Loftus wasn't up to speed yesterday. Mayo need a couple of younger lads to start these games imo, they need fresh experience at the end to close out games.

I felt losing a man did put us under some pressure in that we ended up going more defensive when we could have attacked a bit more, especially when the entire Galway back line was on a yellow. Diarmuid can be good for a goal at crucial times as well.
That being said, it wasn't the winning or losing of the match, imo. We still had plenty of opportunities to win. Our conversion rate wasn't good enough. Galway were on the verge of sh*tting the bed in the second half, they made all the same mistakes they made against Dublin when Dublin lost a man, and we were still taking wild shots that were never on or kicking hopeless wides that should have been popped. We weren't clinical enough when we needed to be. Kevin McLoughlin taking frees was also responsible for missing at least three scorable points - the man is NOT a free-taker.

PARlance

blinding wrote: »

Its an open draw in the qualifiers isn’t it . We could do with a bit of luck but who couldn’t ?

We got very lucky with the draws last year. A continuation of that would be nice indeed.

Stoner

PARlance wrote:

Yip, Joe is run by a Castlebar man.

I get Google cards on my Flash screen, their's was the most tame alright

Audioslaven

jr86 wrote: »

I might say it's the end of the road if Mayo were completely lifeless and took a hammering but there was certainly no faulting the endeavour. Silly mistakes cost mayo but it was a kick of the ball in it. But of course you'll get cliches and lazy analysis galore during championship season

Guys like J Durcan and hanley could get some meaningful game time now and COC, keegan, Harrison, Barrett (who looked well off the pace yesterday) and vaughan can now potentially play themselves back into match fitness, so as Audioslaven says, going through the qualifiers might not overly be a bad thing this year

The only issue is it looks like we haven't found anyone new who will add to the team and we're probably relying on the same stagers as last year to play 10 matches again (pending Hanley and Durcan). I like O'Donoghue but he was out of his depth yesterday and Coen makes way too many poor decisions on the ball.

Coen has a habit of making some errors which lead to a bit of panic. He is also not as attacking minded as Boyle/Durcan/Keegan. I thought O'Donoghue played not bad yesterday for his first outing. We really have some decent cover in defense now with Keegan/Harrison as well.

We really need Loftus/Durcan/Hanley and whoever else that comes in to push it up a gear. I just don't get Rochford sometimes in that he expects these new guys to deliver when they don't get consistent time in the league. There seems to be no pattern of progression with the younger players from Rochford imo...

Fr Tod Umptious

J.pilkington wrote: »

Are you aware of the consequences of today’s loss?

As I understand it Mayo will now face 8 knock out games in order to reach the all Ireland final and Mayo have used up a lot of ‘get out of jail cards’ due to poor performances in the qualifiers over the last number of years so they either turn up the wick immediately (rather than waiting for the final) or their luck will run out.

I think it’s questionable whether the Mayo team are up for this long unglamorous journey

Thankfully the system doesn't work on a quota of "get out of jail cards" so Mayo's poor performances in games they won in the last two years has no bareing on what happens this year

They need a soft qualifier draw, which means avoiding manybe one or two particular teams across the whole 4 rounds.

Guys need game time, not just young guys but older ones too like Higgins, Barrett and Vaughan, Keegan to get back and a midfield partnership to be sorted.

If they get to the last 8 landing in the group with (I assume) Dublin would be ideal.

At that point they should be a match for the Ulster champs and the other qualifier team, and they get the chance to play Dublin and avoid them in a possible semifinal

A SF then v Kerry or Connacht champs would not be too daunting.

If they are not up the the pace by the last 8 then they are in terminal decline and that's just that.

PARlance

How many additional games will it take to reach the Super 8 (as opposed to a Connacht win... which is looking unlikely...)
3 is it?

Fr Tod Umptious

PARlance wrote: »

How many additional games will it take to reach the Super 8 (as opposed to a Connacht win... which is looking unlikely...)
3 is it?

Mayo will play 5 in total to get to the quarter final groups, Galway 3 in total , so 2 extra.

PARlance

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Mayo will play 5 in total to get to the quarter final groups, Galway 3 in total , so 2 extra.

Wouldn't be getting too worried about the amount of games so. We've a big squad and more games may bring on the likes of Hanley & Durcan. We need to find a couple from somewhere. If we can navigate them obviously.

It'll give us time to find a replacement for Tom. Still sickened by that injury, jesus. Poor lad.

Panrich

Audioslaven wrote: »

Coen has a habit of making some errors which lead to a bit of panic. He is also not as attacking minded as Boyle/Durcan/Keegan. I thought O'Donoghue played not bad yesterday for his first outing. We really have some decent cover in defense now with Keegan/Harrison as well.

We really need Loftus/Durcan/Hanley and whoever else that comes in to push it up a gear. I just don't get Rochford sometimes in that he expects these new guys to deliver when they don't get consistent time in the league. There seems to be no pattern of progression with the younger players from Rochford imo...

I have to agree with this. Lads like Nally, Gallagher and Boland get runouts in the league but disappear come championship every year. If you don't see them as being viable options come the summer, then use the league to try other lads who might.

yop

Disappointing as we kicks so many really bad wides, but I think its been made a few times now, the injury to Tom was just nuts. I was inline with it and I was nearly sick. For a young lad who is one of the top players in the country I really hope he gets back to full fitness.
It put the defeat as a 2nd to what happened to him.

Same failures again, poor decision making and then some just U10 level shot selection. Thought the back line did ok, though the goal was just a spinner.
Don't think one of the subs made an impact and you'd have to wonder how Nally, Gallagher, Boland are worse than what came on. Hanley and Durkan looked totally caught up in the headlights.

Not sure how far we will go, maybe he will use this as a chance to give some needed experience to the younger lads, but if we make the super 8's then I think that will be as far as we go this year.

Fr Tod Umptious

For all of Horans giving out earlier in the week I found Sean Cavanagh's analysis of Mayo on The Sunday Game spot on.

No hyperbole about end of road, no new players etc, just the fact that they had to go defensive a man down and did not have a properly formulated plan, or the legs, to go forward on the counter.

jr86

I was actually fully sure this was a Connacht semi for some reason. So in reality there's not a whole lot of difference in the route to the Super 8s (it all depends on the qualifier draw though).

Wouldn't have Galway as certs v Roscommon by any stretch either (or ourselves if we won yesterday), so may only be one game less

km79

If we do meet Galway again later in summer I hope it's in Croker and not a home super 8 game !!!!
Super 8 system may not help us having a home game .......

Stonedpilot

gigantic09 wrote: »

Are you for real. Monaghan haven't been in an all Ireland since 1930.Mayo not winning today is a big let down but by no means is it the end of the road. A lot of issues to be addressed but the hunger and desire is still there. Galway aren't the finished article either but there ahead of the northern teams I reckon, and have the best player in the country, in comer.I
It won't matter to them that today wasn't a spectacle for the purists. It's all about winning, fcuk entertainment.
If Mayo negotiate the qualifiers I have no doubt we'll still put it up to any team(even fcukin monaghan).

Point being that Mayo as of now be handy game for Dublin.

Id put Donegal or Monaghans or maybe Tyrone chances of running Dublin close much higher than Mayos


Truth is the all Ireland now that is the benchmark.
Beat Dublin really.

km79

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Point being that Mayo as of now be handy game for Dublin.

Id put Donegal or Monaghans or maybe Tyrone chances of running Dublin close much higher than Mayos


Truth is the all Ireland now that is the benchmark.
Beat Dublin really.

Monaghan and Tyrone you say ? 2 teams Dublin annihilated in the championship last autumn before drawing with mayo and overcoming them in reply by a solitary point ?

jr86

km79 wrote: »

Monaghan and Tyrone you say ? 2 teams Dublin annihilated in the championship last autumn before drawing with mayo and overcoming them in reply by a solitary point ?

Even worse... Donegal!! As in the team annihilated by galway last summer :rolleyes: and now after relegation are apparently set to challenge the Dubs

Bonniedog

km79 wrote: »

Monaghan and Tyrone you say ? 2 teams Dublin annihilated in the championship last autumn before drawing with mayo and overcoming them in reply by a solitary point ?

I would say Dublin still fear Mayo more than Galway. Watched the game in Craobh after the hurling and Dublin supporters were delighted Mayo lost. Which is indication of where threat lies.

Mayo had some atrocious wides when game was in balance, shooting on spec where Galway were holding the ball up. Going through the qualifiers is huge challenge.

keeponhurling

jr86 wrote: »

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The only issue is it looks like we haven't found anyone new who will add to the team and we're probably relying on the same stagers as last year to play 10 matches again (pending Hanley and Durcan). I like O'Donoghue but he was out of his depth yesterday and Coen makes way too many poor decisions on the ball.

Quite simply, Mayo will not be getting to the all-Ireland final again with the same stagers as last year.

The only way Mayo will be back in Croke Park in September is if players like Coen, Loftus, Durcan x 2, Hanley, O'Donoghue and maybe a couple more young lads make huge contributions. Maybe the month of June will be the making of them.

I think midfield could be a real problem area for Mayo, and Parsons' injury is a huge blow. I can't see any of the other Mayo midfielders really being competitive against other Div 1 teams.

Coillte_Bhoy

PARlance wrote: »

Wouldn't be getting too worried about the amount of games so. We've a big squad and more games may bring on the likes of Hanley & Durcan. We need to find a couple from somewhere. If we can navigate them obviously.

It'll give us time to find a replacement for Tom. Still sickened by that injury, jesus. Poor lad.

But we dont, qe have the same as any other county but not the talent, look at even Galway yesterday and the impact their subs made. We have little or no real strength in depth

grbear

Just how bad is a dislocated knee? I'm no doctor (not even related to one, think a cousin is a nurse though) but dislocated knee sounds a bit better than my own initial diagnosis of "Eff me, he has broken his leg clean in half". I thought I was after witnessing a Luc Nilis type horror break.


Absolutely horrible to see any player hurt like that and I hope to see Parsons back playing for Mayo at some point in the future.