Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

blinding

WesternZulu wrote: »

Everyone knows that the O'Shea's pick the Ireland team.

And the Rugby and Soccer teams as well . A busy man .:P

PARlance

The much awaited final part of the Rossies mini documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh6vISBjkCE

km79

PARlance wrote: »

The much awaited final part of the Rossies mini documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh6vISBjkCE

Couldn't finish it pure cringe
The bus.......mcstay doing an al Pacino impersonation ......the kitmans mini bus

I can't understand the mentality behind letting it happen in the first place anyway
They love the media.......?

Fr Tod Umptious

seligehgit wrote: »

Yeah we'd avoid the Leinster and Ulster champions in the super 8s to boot.No brainer.

Well ending up in that group would have it's merrits also.

Firstly the Ulster champions are not as good as people like to make them out to be. I'd take Mayo in "August" mode over the Ulster champions any day

And secondly you play Dublin and thus avoid them in the SF.

Problem is that joining the qualifiers in rounds 1 or 2 gives you no idea about what group you might end up in, and you run the risk of injury, suspension and banana skins.

Qualifiers would be best avoided this season.

Galway were really terrible after they beat Mayo. I feel genuinely sorry for their fans paying good money to go to Dublin to see that s**t v Kerry.

Mayo need to get their heads together and dismiss them without any fuss and move on.

seligehgit

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well ending up in that group would have it's merrits also.

Firstly the Ulster champions are not as good as people like to make them out to be. I'd take Mayo in "August" mode over the Ulster champions any day

And secondly you play Dublin and thus avoid them in the SF.

Problem is that joining the qualifiers in rounds 1 or 2 gives you no idea about what group you might end up in, and you run the risk of injury, suspension and banana skins.

Qualifiers would be best avoided this season.

Galway were really terrible after they beat Mayo. I feel genuinely sorry for their fans paying good money to go to Dublin to see that s**t v Kerry.

Mayo need to get their heads together and dismiss them without any fuss and move on.

Tod you're always great at coming up with a sound reasoning for a counter argument.:)

If we manage to progress to the latter stages of the championship please God through the front door we're going to have to slay the dragon unless somebody else catches them cold.

A less probable scenario given the super 8s set up.

Anyway loads of football to be played before then,county final and whatever follows.

Hoping for a lot of experimentation in the FBD league and National League.

Then all eyes on that vital clash against the old enemy.

How many of the lads are heading to Oz?I see there are no Dublin players travelling.

seligehgit

County Final in hurling result.

Tooreen 2-10
Ballyhaunis 0-6

seligehgit

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-top-50-footballers-of-2017-eight-dubs-among-the-20-best-performers-36247664.html

charlie14

seligehgit wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-top-50-footballers-of-2017-eight-dubs-among-the-20-best-performers-36247664.html

Like a lot Breheny writes nowadays I really don`t know where he is going with that, other than Andy Moran as FOTY.
Surely when listing the top 50 players the logical next step would have been to go on and name his All Star selection ?

TCDStudent1

seligehgit wrote: »

County Final in hurling result.

Tooreen 2-10
Ballyhaunis 0-6

Would that be a shock in Mayo? I was listening to NT earlier and they suggested Ballyhaunis were serious favourites for that game.

krazyklown

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Would that be a shock in Mayo? I was listening to NT earlier and they suggested Ballyhaunis were serious favourites for that game.

To be honest not really - Ballyhaunis have lost a lot of the backbone of the team that have dominated Mayo hurling. They haven't had an Underage team the last two years I think. Writing has been on the wall, they really have hung on bravely but Tooreen have had the better spread of hurlers without delivering. The return of Stephen Coyne from Australia was a huge boost this year and the age profile of their team would suggest they could be on top for a while. Castlebar might be in contention too as they gave both teams good games.

Bunny Colvin

Balla promoted to Division 1B. Coming off the back of winning the Minor A two weeks ago, the club is on the up.

seligehgit

Cracking contest in the intermediate final.

Kiltimagh 1-6
Moy Davitts 0-6

Excellent standard,poor conditions.The Davitts will be aided by a very strong wind in the second half.They've been far more economical with their opportunities.Brian Reape has been very impressive.

seligehgit

Draw in the intermediate decider.

Kiltimagh 2-11
Moy Davitts 1-14

Super contest,Kiltimagh goal in the restart put them in the driving seat but Moy Davitts showed immense resilience with Brian Reape the star man with a goal and numerous points from play.

seligehgit

Ballintubber 0-9
Mitchels 0-7
Half Time.
Great contest,Paddy picking up Diarmuid.Lots of quality scores,few wides.Big bird playing very well with two scores from play.Cillian kicked a very difficult free off his ciotog toward the first half and another beauty with the aid of the wind.Michael Plunkett playing well at centre back,big blow for our lot with a black card for James Durcan.

km79

Cillian sent off again

PARlance

Mitchel's are winners in every sense. Great grit, skill, composure and a healthy dose of cynicism to close it out. Some great scores by both teams under pressure.

seligehgit

Full Time
Mitchels 0-15
Ballintubber 0-13

Great contest,the Mitchels just had that little bit extra.Ger McDonagh got MOTM,big performances from Barry Moran,Paddy Durcan and Danny Kirby.

Two wonderful scores in the second half from Barry off his ciotog and Diarmuid O Connor.I thought the game was destined for a replay after Diarmuid's wonder score.

TBF to Cillian I've no idea what he got the second yellow for.Black cards could have been given out like confetti as the game ended.Something will have to be done to eliminate this blight on the game.

seligehgit

PARlance wrote: »

Mitchel's are winners in every sense. Great grit, skill, composure and a healthy dose of cynicism to close it out. Some great scores by both teams under pressure.

Thought it was awful TBH,no different to the wrestling that went on at the end of the All Ireland final.

irishgeo

how do aussie rules deal with cynicism, its a very similar game?

blinding

A 21 yard free kick is probably the only way to put a stop to this cynicism .

If a team was two points down in the last three minutes perhaps a penalty would be the correct sanction .

seligehgit

blinding wrote: »

A 21 yard free kick is probably the only way to put a stop to this cynicism .

If a team was two points down in the last three minutes perhaps a penalty would be the correct sanction .

Agreed or eliminate the black card and introduce a ten minute sin bin like in the ladies football.

irishgeo

seligehgit wrote: »

Agreed or eliminate the black card and introduce a ten minute sin bin like in the ladies football.

it wont make much difference in the last few minutes.

if your 2 points up with 3 mins to play. a sin bin is not going to make much difference.

a free on 21 yard line however, means you should score and they have to kick it out again. any more cynicism and you are going to have the opportunity to draw level.

PARlance

seligehgit wrote: »

Thought it was awful TBH,no different to the wrestling that went on at the end of the All Ireland final.

It might sound like a contradiction and maybe it is, but as long as there's no real punishment then I expect to see teams do it and it's a skill in itself.

I would prefer if it wasn't part of the game, 100%. But if the powers that be aren't going to do anything about it. And they've had plenty of time to do something, then I'll just enjoy it being done right.

MayoAreMagic

seligehgit wrote: »

Agreed or eliminate the black card and introduce a ten minute sin bin like in the ladies football.

The same thing would happen with the sin bin that is happening with the back card - that is, the refs bottle the call at vital times. It isnt the black card that is the problem.

Take the AI final for example. What should have happened when the wrestling session kicked off is 3 black cards and a free out, with the free brought forward for kilkenny's timewasting going off the field. Dublin play the next play with 11 men, and the rest of the game with 13 on 14. Now in fairness, that is actually a stern punishment and those rules are all in place right now.

The issue with the black card is that refs are fudging it, most probably out of out of fear of a media blacklash, and are generally doing so in favour of the perpetrators. It seems to be the more ballsy the move, the more you will get away with, and so the more it is worth doing.

What I find it a bit depressing though, is that the head of refereeing in the gaa comes out saying the ref got all the calls right (again). How can the game improve when the guys supposed to be assessing are jumping into the trenches with the ref? That is the root of the reason why the thing isnt working. He would probably be punished for that kind of thing in another sport. Like the time the ref (Graham Poll was it?) gave a guy 3 yellow cards at the world cup. He was done and dusted after that.

Stoner

seligehgit wrote:

Thought it was awful TBH,no different to the wrestling that went on at the end of the All Ireland final.

Or the game in 2012, same teams. They've had years to clear this stuff up. I agree completely.
Joking and sideswipes asides.
It's either part of the game or it's not. Not just when it suits or doesn't, the most I can see is a free give along with the black card, but the frees could only be awarded within a certain zone.

charlie14

A lot of mention on the black card here is in relation to the last few minutes in championship matches and under the rules how it should be applied.
All well and good, but the problem arises in that as the rule stands it, cannot be enforced for just the last few minutes.
If referees used the black card as stipulated under the rule, especially taking input from his linesmen and umpires, in championship football, either club or county, there is a fair chance come the last few minutes he would be refereeing a nine a-side.
What is happening towards the end of close games is getting out of hand, has been for quite some time, but the black card is not going to sort it.

PARlance

charlie14 wrote: »

A lot of mention on the black card here is in relation to the last few minutes in championship matches and under the rules how it should be applied.
All well and good, but the problem arises in that as the rule stands it, cannot be enforced for just the last few minutes.
If referees used the black card as stipulated under the rule, especially taking input from his linesmen and umpires, in championship football, either club or county, there is a fair chance come the last few minutes he would be refereeing a nine a-side.
What is happening towards the end of close games is getting out of hand, has been for quite some time, but the black card is not going to sort it.

The black card actually plays right into the hands of a winning team trying to kill a game in the final few minutes.

In that final period, it actually promotes cynical play. You might have gotten a red card in years gone by if you rugby tackled someone with 5 minutes to go. Now your team (usually) gets to bring in someone to replace you.

I'm a fan of it in general but they need to adjust things specific to the issue of teams cynically closing out games.

Fr Tod Umptious

PARlance wrote: »

The black card actually plays right into the hands of a winning team trying to kill a game in the final few minutes.

In that final period, it actually promotes cynical play. You might have gotten a red card in years gone by if you rugby tackled someone with 5 minutes to go. Now your team (usually) gets to bring in someone to replace you.

I'm a fan of it in general but they need to adjust things specific to the issue of teams cynically closing out games.

That's why a 20 meter free should be given for every black card.

That would stop a lot of the "killing the game" stuff.

And I agree that refs are to slow to give it, they often cop out with a yellow, which if you think about it carries less punishment.

A solution might be to water down the black card to a single offence.

The deliberate drag down (on or off the ball).

So rather than having to find 5 reasons to give or not give a black the ref now only has one to worry about.

charlie14

PARlance wrote: »

The black card actually plays right into the hands of a winning team trying to kill a game in the final few minutes.

In that final period, it actually promotes cynical play. You might have gotten a red card in years gone by if you rugby tackled someone with 5 minutes to go. Now your team (usually) gets to bring in someone to replace you.

I'm a fan of it in general but they need to adjust things specific to the issue of teams cynically closing out games.

I`m really not a fan of the black card. It may not be politically correct to say this nowadays but football is a physical contact sport and everyone knows, especially in championship early on, there is a period of "getting to know your man".It has always been part of the game.
Applying the black card rule during that period would take a lot from the game imho.

As I said earlier, you cannot ignore a rule until towards the end of a game and start enforcing it then.

The rule either applies or it does not, and now it is simply not being applied. Other than referees seeming to feel to keep the rule makers happy they throw in one or two willy-nilly.

charlie14

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

That's why a 20 meter free should be given for every black card.

That would stop a lot of the "killing the game" stuff.

And I agree that refs are to slow to give it, they often cop out with a yellow, which if you think about it carries less punishment.

A solution might be to water down the black card to a single offence.

The deliberate drag down (on or off the ball).

So rather than having to find 5 reasons to give or not give a black the ref now only has one to worry about.

If it is to be retained then for me that is what it should be used for. The deliberate drag down.
It is too convoluted as it stands.

I don`t know if you noticed, but a number of teams, Dublin mainly, when the rule was first brought in had a system of quickly grabbing an opposing player in more or less two armed hug, then quickly releasing.
It slowed the opposing players momentum and put him off his stride. No one to my recall ever got a black card for it, or even seldom a free because the refs just didn`t know if it was a black card offence or not.
As the black card stands it just isn`t fit for purpose imo anyway.