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Landlord's minimum upkeep?

  • 07-07-2017 10:08am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭


    What obligations do landlord's have regarding the upkeep of their property. Do they have to cut the grass? Clean the chimney? Clean the septic tank and how often should this be cleaned out?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Do you have a lease and if so does it specify any of the above?

    Although the landlord may ultimately be responsible for making sure some (all) of those items get done, it's not unusual for a lease to specify that the tenant agrees to take on at least some of those responsibilities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    Our lease agreement is a 2004 version of the tenancy act. We didn't start our rent until 2014. Should we be under a newer more up to date version of this act? Also the lease agreement was for 12 months, Sep '14 to Sep '15. It hasn't been reviewed since. Is it up to the landlord to do this? The reason I'm asking is that we have brought a few issues/problems to his attention and we get no reply for weeks and even months. What are our rights regarding withholding rent etc? I don't want to cause any trouble but some of this stuff was brought to his attention before Christmas!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    Our lease agreement is a 2004 version of the tenancy act. We didn't start our rent until 2014. Should we be under a newer more up to date version of this act? Also the lease agreement was for 12 months, Sep '14 to Sep '15. It hasn't been reviewed since. Is it up to the landlord to do this? The reason I'm asking is that we have brought a few issues/problems to his attention and we get no reply for weeks and even months. What are our rights regarding withholding rent etc? I don't want to cause any trouble but some of this stuff was brought to his attention before Christmas!

    you cant withhold rent


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭dennyk


    The current Act including all amendments would override any conflicting clauses in your lease, so it really doesn't matter if your "lease" is an old copy of the law (and just downloading an old copy of the RTA to use as a "lease" is a seriously lazy approach that could easily come back to bite the landlord). However, the law doesn't address who would be responsible for those tasks; normally the lease would govern, but if they aren't mentioned in your lease, it's rather up in the air.

    It's very normal for tenants to be responsible for keeping up the garden, and it's not entirely unreasonable for you to pay for cleaning the septic tank if you've been resident for a long period of time, since you're the one filling it up (although if the tank is damaged or failing, any actual repairs would definitely be the landlord's responsibility). The chimney could go either way, but it's not a terribly expensive service, and if you use your fireplace a dirty chimney is a major safety hazard, so it's probably best to just bite the bullet and get it done yourself if the landlord balks rather than leaving it while you fight them over it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    Sound advice and thanks for that. I have no intention of withholding rent BUT when a landlord is asked about replacing a very badly worn 3 piece suite, to replace a blown off ridge tile, to repair a leaking front door, to repair serious wall cracks, to repair loose, metre long garden wall caps (loose ones are a serious hazard if they fall off on top of anyone) SIX MONTHS AGO, then I expect at least some form of communication. Why am I paying for what is now a sub standard dwelling?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    The landlord is responsible for everything you mention.

    Refer a dispute to adjudication with the RTB

    https://www.rtb.ie/dispute-resolution/dispute-resolution/dispute-resolution-process-faqs

    You will be compensated for the delay and they will outline a timeframe to do the work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Fol20


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    The landlord is responsible for everything you mention.

    Refer a dispute to adjudication with the RTB

    https://www.rtb.ie/dispute-resolution/dispute-resolution/dispute-resolution-process-faqs

    You will be compensated for the delay and they will outline a timeframe to do the work.

    Everything bar the worn couch. That is down to personal opinion and taste. There's no real incentive for a ll to replace couch due to new laws.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    What about getting a BER done? A carbon monoxide monitor installed, a fire blanket, fire extinguisher? What happens if the BER is not up to standard? He seems to be passing the buck between himself and his partner. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    He came to have a look at the suite, admitted it was badly worn, said he'd get it reupholstered, 6 months ago! It's embarrassing. We have throws over the lot of it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Everything bar the worn couch. That is down to personal opinion and taste. There's no real incentive for a ll to replace couch due to new laws.

    The landlords obligations include
    Repair and maintain the interior of the property to the standard it was in at the start of the tenancy

    If the couch was there at the start of the tenancy it must be maintained and repaired.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/landlords_rights_and_obligations.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Fol20


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    The landlords obligations include
    Repair and maintain the interior of the property to the standard it was in at the start of the tenancy

    If the couch was there at the start of the tenancy it must be maintained and repaired.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/landlords_rights_and_obligations.html

    Unless the couch has springs coming up through it, if its still usable, you dont need to repair it.. Based on what was described, it might look a bit grubby but if its just that, you dont need to replace it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    I'll send him the above list again and say that if I don't hear from him I'll have no choice but to take some form of action. I'll also give him a reasonable amount of time to provide the above. Although whenever I've mentioned 'a reasonable amount of time' before, it was the last I heard of it. Maybe I should give him a time frame 4-6 weeks? When all is said and done, it's his own property he'd be upkeeping!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,315 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    Although whenever I've mentioned 'a reasonable amount of time' before, it was the last I heard of it. Maybe I should give him a time frame 4-6 weeks?
    Mention a time frame.

    Perhaps mention that should it not be done, you'll have to contact your local authority, as per below;
    If you believe that the dwelling is sub standard, you can contact your Local Authority and request that they carry out an inspection.
    Bear in mind that the landlord may class such repairs as a "major renovation", and ask you to leave whilst he does the renovation, and then increase the rent before you move back in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭wordofwarning


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    What about getting a BER done? A carbon monoxide monitor installed, a fire blanket, fire extinguisher? What happens if the BER is not up to standard? He seems to be passing the buck between himself and his partner. :mad:

    Why do you want a BER? It is literally a piece of paper. There is no standard of energy rating for a rental property. He got get you the piece of paper ie the BER, but he is under zero obligation to improve the energy efficiency of the house. You took the house as is and now you want him to improve the energy efficiency?

    You are entitled to a carbon monoxide alarm, a fire blanket and fire extinguisher. If they are so important to you and you are outraged about waiting for stuff. You can pick them up for around €30-40 all together

    If you are so dissatisfied with the standard of the property, you can always move


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭dennyk


    There is no "up to standard" for a BER; it's an informative report, nothing more. Its only purpose is to make you aware of the likely cost to keep the property heated before you rent it. A property with a BER of F can still be rented out; it just may be more unattractive to potential renters (or would be in a sane market, anyway). It would be absolutely no good to you now when you've been living there for years and are well aware of the utility costs already.

    The landlord is supposed to supply a fire blanket and a CO alarm. These are important safety devices, particularly the CO alarm, so again, if the landlord is balking, it would probably be in your best interest to purchase your own immediately and then worry about pestering the landlord for reimbursement. CO poisoning can easily be deadly and dangerous levels are impossible to detect without an alarm.

    The landlord does not have to provide a fire extinguisher, but it would be a good idea to buy one yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    'Why do you want a BER? It is literally a piece of paper. There is no standard of energy rating for a rental property. He got get you the piece of paper ie the BER, but he is under zero obligation to improve the energy efficiency of the house. You took the house as is and now you want him to improve the energy efficiency?'

    Because first of all i'm not up to speed on what BERs are all about and if there is a minimum standard or not. Secondly I would imagine it's in his interest too to maintain a house to a good standard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭whoopsadoodles


    Can someone please post a link to where I can find information of the responsibility of a landlord to provide a carbon monoxide alarm please?

    I can only find information regarding fire blanket and smoke alarms.

    Thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭Dee01


    You're coming across very hostile OP. I get you're annoyed, but I don't think it will get you anywhere. Be prepared to be asked to leave if you go in all guns blazing. As another poster mentioned, this could fall into the major refub category.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Can someone please post a link to where I can find information of the responsibility of a landlord to provide a carbon monoxide alarm please?

    I can only find information regarding fire blanket and smoke alarms.

    Thank you.

    Hi Whoopsadoodles, here's a link,


    (6) Each house shall contain, where necessary, suitably located devices for the detection and alarm of carbon monoxide.

    S.I. No. 17 of 2017
    ————————
    HOUSING (STANDARDS FOR RENTED HOUSES) REGULATIONS 2017
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/17/made/en/pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭whoopsadoodles


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Hi Whoopsadoodles, here's a link,


    (6) Each house shall contain, where necessary, suitably located devices for the detection and alarm of carbon monoxide.

    S.I. No. 17 of 2017
    ————————
    HOUSING (STANDARDS FOR RENTED HOUSES) REGULATIONS 2017
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/17/made/en/pdf

    Thank you Gizmo.

    I missed that completely. I'll have to get one fitted asap.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    It's a tenants obligation to report any issues under the tenancy,
    (d) notify the landlord or his or her authorised agent of any defect that arises in the dwelling that requires to be repaired so as to enable the landlord comply with his or her obligations, in relation to the dwelling or the tenancy, under any enactment,
    Then it is the landlords obligation to,
    ii) the interior of the dwelling all such repairs and replacement of fittings as are, from time to time, necessary so that that interior and those fittings are maintained in, at least, the condition in which they were at the commencement of the tenancy and in compliance with any such standards for the time being prescribed,

    And importantly then it is the landlord obligation to,
    without prejudice to any other liability attaching in this case, reimburse the tenant in respect of all reasonable and vouched for expenses that may be incurred by the tenant in carrying out repairs to the structure or interior of the dwelling for which the landlord is responsible under paragraph (b) where the following conditions are satisfied—

    (i) the landlord has refused or failed to carry out the repairs at the time the tenant requests him or her to do so, and

    (ii) the postponement of the repairs to some subsequent date would have been unreasonable having regard to either—

    (I) a significant risk the matters calling for repair posed to the health or safety of the tenant or other lawful occupants of the dwelling, or

    (II) a significant reduction that those matters caused in the quality of the tenant's or other such occupants' living environment,

    If the tenant doesn't report issues at the end of the tenancy then the landlord could walk into a house in a terrible state with work costing much more than if dealt with when it happened.


    RESIDENTIAL TENANCIES ACT 2004

    Chapters 1 (12) Landlords Obligations and Section 2 (16) Tenants Obligations

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2004/act/27/enacted/en/print#sec16


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭jamesthepeach


    If you aren't in an rpz op, expect your rent to go up too if the landlord has tomoay a lot for repairs. If you are in one, this might be his chance to break the rent control.

    On the safety stuff, no way would I olput my family in danger for cost of getting those things done. I would just do it myself straight away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    Dee01 wrote: »
    You're coming across very hostile OP. I get you're annoyed, but I don't think it will get you anywhere. Be prepared to be asked to leave if you go in all guns blazing. As another poster mentioned, this could fall into the major refub category.

    ?
    I'm just amazed that a landlord couldn't care less about his property. I have no issues about buying stuff, it's just that I wasn't sure as to what the landlord should provide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Best thing is to request an inspection from you local EHS officer.
    They will give the LL a list of what needs to be done and give him 30 days to do so (or less for dangerous violations).
    If he doesn't comply he'll be fined until he does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    Best thing is to request an inspection from you local EHS officer.
    They will give the LL a list of what needs to be done and give him 30 days to do so (or less for dangerous violations).
    If he doesn't comply he'll be fined until he does.

    Thanks PKiernan. I'll give him a shout (again) today and if there's no reply then I'll act.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭wordofwarning


    spoke2cun wrote: »

    Because first of all i'm not up to speed on what BERs are all about and if there is a minimum standard or not.

    You don't know what BERs are about, but you want one? You want the landlord spend money on a piece of paper that is useless as you don't want to research it? There is no minimum standard for energy efficiency in houses. I suggest you research all of this before
    spoke2cun wrote: »
    Secondly I would imagine it's in his interest too to maintain a house to a good standard.

    Why? You honestly don't come across as a tenant that I would want to keep...

    'I don't know what a BER is, but I want one'. Why would a landlord want to maintain a house to keep a tenant like you?

    As previously mentioned, I think you and the landlord have different objections. You want him to spend money on pieces of paper you know nothing about to see if they follow minimum standard that don't exist. Try find another landlord, you will give into your demands but most won't


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23



    If you are so dissatisfied with the standard of the property, you can always move

    People should be banned for saying this in the forum and in this rental climate. One cannot just simply move these days and you shouldn't be attacking a tenant for expecting a landlord to fulfil their obligations.


  • Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    Best thing is to request an inspection from you local EHS officer.
    They will give the LL a list of what needs to be done and give him 30 days to do so (or less for dangerous violations).
    If he doesn't comply he'll be fined until he does.

    Risky play, this could end up with the op being forced to move out if the place isn't up to standard and significant work is required.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 993 ✭✭✭737max


    2014 mentioned in OP.
    Landlord will be tempted to end tenancy in 2018 although based on the issues outlined I don't know why the tenant is staying in the property unless rent is well below market rate.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    737max wrote: »
    2014 mentioned in OP.
    Landlord will be tempted to end tenancy in 2018 although based on the issues outlined I don't know why the tenant is staying in the property unless rent is well below market rate.

    There are costs associated with moving that can be prohibitive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 993 ✭✭✭737max


    on the other hand there are quality of life issues associated with remaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    I have been in my rented accommodation for 6 years. In that time the Landlord has always kept within Rent Allowance limits and has always taken care of any major repairs.

    In return I have replaced all appliances and furnishings at my cost when they needed replacing.

    Sure you can go down the road of expecting the Landlord to replace items and perhaps have the right legally to do that, but he has the right to increase your rent or even ask you to leave at the end of the lease. A good relationship with a landlord is often worth more than a new couch.


  • Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    He seems to be passing the buck between himself and his partner.

    What does this mean? Are you renting a place from a couple which has split up or something?
    spoke2cun wrote: »
    When all is said and done, it's his own property he'd be upkeeping!
    spoke2cun wrote: »
    I'm just amazed that a landlord couldn't care less about his property

    Some landlords couldn't care less about their property as long as they can get it rented out. I was in a similar place and moved out, the landlord told me later that his new tenants were doing all the jobs he wasn't arsed doing.
    spoke2cun wrote: »
    I have no issues about buying stuff

    Then do this, you're better off with your own stuff if you can afford it. But then you'll have to get the landlord to get rid of, for example, the existing three-piece suite, that was a problem for my old landlord too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    I'm dealing with a "let and forget" landlord and worse still a fairly established agent who hasn't a clue about the Landlords and Tenants Rights and Obligations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    Lux23 wrote: »
    People should be banned for saying this in the forum and in this rental climate. One cannot just simply move these days and you shouldn't be attacking a tenant for expecting a landlord to fulfil their obligations.

    Thanks Lux23. The reason I'm asking for advice is because I'm not sure of what I have to provide myself and what the landlord should provide.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    You don't know what BERs are about, but you want one? You want the landlord spend money on a piece of paper that is useless as you don't want to research it? There is no minimum standard for energy efficiency in houses. I suggest you research all of this before



    Why? You honestly don't come across as a tenant that I would want to keep...

    'I don't know what a BER is, but I want one'. Why would a landlord want to maintain a house to keep a tenant like you?

    As previously mentioned, I think you and the landlord have different objections. You want him to spend money on pieces of paper you know nothing about to see if they follow minimum standard that don't exist. Try find another landlord, you will give into your demands but most won't

    I was just looking for advice. Obviously you can't give that, so why interfere with our thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    If I was a landlord myself I'd be interested in maintaining my property which would keep my tenants happy. Happy tenants are, after all, happy customers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭marathonic


    I let a property to a tenant at a rate that's currently about 15% below market rent. If my tenant came to me with the following list, I'd do the minimum that I'm legally required to do and increase the rent to the maximum possible at first opportunity. However, currently I'm happy with the 15% reduction in rent for a hassle-free tenant.
     
    The grass cut;
    The chimney cleaned;
    The septic tank cleared;
    The sofa replaced;
    A tile replaced;
    A leaking door repaired;
    Wall cracks repaired;
    Garden wall caps repaired;
    A BER cert;
    A carbon monoxide monitor installed;
    A fire blanket;
    A fire extinguisher;

    Perhaps remove the items that a landlord isn't legally obliged to do, let them deal with the remainder and leave it a while to see whether they use that as an opportunity to increase rent. Then prioritise the other items, for which a landlord is not legally obliged to take action, and try for the most important to you.

    A landlord can only increase rent once every 24 months (rules differ within pressure zones) so use that fact to decide how to proceed, e.g. if the landlord has just increased rent, feel free to push for all of the above, safe in the knowledge that he can't increase rent again.

    Just be aware that a list like that shown above will instantly move you out of the "good tenant for whom I'm willing to accept a below-market rent" category.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭marathonic


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    If I was a landlord myself I'd be interested in maintaining my property which would keep my tenants happy. Happy tenants are, after all, happy customers.
    Any sensible landlord will want to maintain their property where failure to do so will result in a requirement for more expensive repairs down the line. The same can be said for an owner occupier. However, some items on your list aren't works that an owner occupier would bother for their own house.

    Taking the 'cracked walls' example, if these were in the outside and allowing rainwater into wall cavities, a landlord would be well advised to repair immediately. However, if they were minor settling cracks that you see in a lot of internal walls and weren't deteriorating further, a landlord will only likely want to repair these to keep the so-called 'good tenant'.

    For the example of 'grass cutting', failure to do this for a long time is likely to result in some higher cost works being required in the future. It's unusual for a tenant to be unwilling to take care of this unless a landlord has already agreed to do so. With that in mind, as a landlord, a tenants refusal to handle this would have me take care of it myself until my first opportunity to legally replace them with a new tenant.

    Luckily, I have a pretty good tenant who only really hassles me for the usual stuff you'd expect - examples being servicing a boiler, replacing a broken washing machine, repairing a leaking pipe and repainting every few years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    marathonic wrote: »
    I let a property to a tenant at a rate that's currently about 15% below market rent. If my tenant came to me with the following list, I'd do the minimum that I'm legally required to do and increase the rent to the maximum possible at first opportunity. However, currently I'm happy with the 15% reduction in rent for a hassle-free tenant.
     
    The grass cut;
    The chimney cleaned;
    The septic tank cleared;
    The sofa replaced;
    A tile replaced;
    A leaking door repaired;
    Wall cracks repaired;
    Garden wall caps repaired;
    A BER cert;
    A carbon monoxide monitor installed;
    A fire blanket;
    A fire extinguisher;

    Perhaps remove the items that a landlord isn't legally obliged to do, let them deal with the remainder and leave it a while to see whether they use that as an opportunity to increase rent. Then prioritise the other items, for which a landlord is not legally obliged to take action, and try for the most important to you.

    A landlord can only increase rent once every 24 months (rules differ within pressure zones) so use that fact to decide how to proceed, e.g. if the landlord has just increased rent, feel free to push for all of the above, safe in the knowledge that he can't increase rent again.

    Just be aware that a list like that shown above will instantly move you out of the "good tenant for whom I'm willing to accept a below-market rent" category.

    Yet another unhelpful reply.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭marathonic


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    marathonic wrote: »
    I let a property to a tenant at a rate that's currently about 15% below market rent. If my tenant came to me with the following list, I'd do the minimum that I'm legally required to do and increase the rent to the maximum possible at first opportunity. However, currently I'm happy with the 15% reduction in rent for a hassle-free tenant.
     
    The grass cut;
    The chimney cleaned;
    The septic tank cleared;
    The sofa replaced;
    A tile replaced;
    A leaking door repaired;
    Wall cracks repaired;
    Garden wall caps repaired;
    A BER cert;
    A carbon monoxide monitor installed;
    A fire blanket;
    A fire extinguisher;

    Perhaps remove the items that a landlord isn't legally obliged to do, let them deal with the remainder and leave it a while to see whether they use that as an opportunity to increase rent. Then prioritise the other items, for which a landlord is not legally obliged to take action, and try for the most important to you.

    A landlord can only increase rent once every 24 months (rules differ within pressure zones) so use that fact to decide how to proceed, e.g. if the landlord has just increased rent, feel free to push for all of the above, safe in the knowledge that he can't increase rent again.

    Just be aware that a list like that shown above will instantly move you out of the "good tenant for whom I'm willing to accept a below-market rent" category.

    Yet another unhelpful reply.
    What exactly are you looking for? 

    It looks like you class a helpful reply as something along the lines of "yeah, hit the landlord for everything you can and do it today" - with everything else being 'an unhelpful reply'.

    I think my reply was very helpful in advising you to whittle down the list to the legally required items and ask for those before waiting a while to see if they increase rent. If they don't increase rent, all is good. If they do increase rent, they can't do so again for 24 months. Either way, you can then try for those items most important to you of the rest of the list.

    If that's not what you consider a helpful reply, then by all means wait for a few more people to advise you that landlords are the root of all evil and should be hit for everything you can get. Continue to ignore or disagree with everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    marathonic wrote: »
    What exactly are you looking for? 

    It looks like you class a helpful reply as something along the lines of "yeah, hit the landlord for everything you can and do it today" - with everything else being 'an unhelpful reply'.

    I think my reply was very helpful in advising you to whittle down the list to the legally required items and ask for those before waiting a while to see if they increase rent. If they don't increase rent, all is good. If they do increase rent, they can't do so again for 24 months. Either way, you can then try for those items most important to you of the rest of the list.

    If that's not what you consider a helpful reply, then by all means wait for a few more people to advise you that landlords are the root of all evil and should be hit for everything you can get. Continue to ignore or disagree with everyone else.

    So a landlord doesn't really have to maintain their property if they chose not to?
    If we don't contact our landlord over the years of our tenancy and the place is in a state of disrepair when we are to leave, who foots the bill then? I'm led to believe that a tenant is to leave a place as they find it. Like I asked in the OP, what is the minimum required of a landlord. If I was one, I'd like my tenants to keep me informed regarding the upkeep of my property. Surely the amount that we pay in rent covers a small amount of upkeep on his part. Do I care if the house falls to the ground when we leave cos he isn't bothered to upkeep or maintain? No I don't cos he was informed about it all in good time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Minimum standards are broader than most landlords believe. For example;
    All rental accommodation must be maintained in a proper state of structural repair. This means that the dwelling must be essentially sound, internally and externally, with roof, roofing tiles and slates, windows, floors, ceilings, walls, stairs, doors, skirting boards, fascia, tiles on any floor, ceiling and wall, gutters, down pipes, fittings, furnishings, gardens and common areas maintained in good condition and repair and not defective due to dampness or otherwise.

    (2) For the purposes of Regulation 4(1) ‘a proper state of structural repair’ means sound, internally and externally, with roof, roofing tiles and slates, windows, floors, ceilings, walls, stairs, doors, skirting boards, fascia, tiles on any floor, ceiling and wall, gutters, down pipes, fittings, furnishings, gardens and common areas maintained in good condition and repair and not defective due to dampness or otherwise.

    S.I. No. 17/2017 - Housing (Standards for Rented Houses) Regulations 2017.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/17/made/en/print

    So broken tiles, skirting boards, falling off wallpaper, etc are no in a good state of repair.

    (2) Any requirement of these Regulations with respect to repair shall be construed as requiring a standard of repair that is reasonable in all the circumstances and, in determining the appropriate standard of repair, regard shall be had to the age, character and prospective life of the house.

    (ii) repair or maintain in good repair, working order or in a clean condition anything which a tenant is entitled to remove from a house.

    (5) All appliances under Regulation 6(1) shall be maintained in a safe condition and in good working order and good repair.

    (3) All facilities under Regulation 7(2) shall be maintained in a safe condition and in good working order and good repair.
    Also there is a clause in the legislation either housing or RTA about keeping a property in the condition as the tenant found it. So if a bed and a locker is in a bedroom, they have to be maintained and cannot be removed without replacement. Will find a link later :)

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/17/made/en/print

    http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/FileDownLoad%2C33422%2Cen.pdf

    (ii) the interior of the dwelling all such repairs and replacement of fittings as are, from time to time, necessary so that that interior and those fittings are maintained in, at least, the condition in which they were at the commencement of the tenancy and in compliance with any such standards for the time being prescribed,

    From the RTA 2004 Obligations of landlord http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2004/act/27/enacted/en/print#sec12


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    gizmo81 wrote: »
    Minimum standards are broader than most landlords believe. For example;
    All rental accommodation must be maintained in a proper state of structural repair. This means that the dwelling must be essentially sound, internally and externally, with roof, roofing tiles and slates, windows, floors, ceilings, walls, stairs, doors, skirting boards, fascia, tiles on any floor, ceiling and wall, gutters, down pipes, fittings, furnishings, gardens and common areas maintained in good condition and repair and not defective due to dampness or otherwise.

    So broken tiles, skirting boards, falling off wallpaper, etc are no in a good state of repair.

    (2) Any requirement of these Regulations with respect to repair shall be construed as requiring a standard of repair that is reasonable in all the circumstances and, in determining the appropriate standard of repair, regard shall be had to the age, character and prospective life of the house.

    (ii) repair or maintain in good repair, working order or in a clean condition anything which a tenant is entitled to remove from a house.

    (5) All appliances under Regulation 6(1) shall be maintained in a safe condition and in good working order and good repair.

    (3) All facilities under Regulation 7(2) shall be maintained in a safe condition and in good working order and good repair.
    Also there is a clause in the legislation either housing or RTA about keeping a property in the condition as the tenant found it. So if a bed and a locker is in a bedroom, they have to be maintained and cannot be removed without replacement. Will find a link later :)

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/si/17/made/en/print

    http://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/migrated-files/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/FileDownLoad%2C33422%2Cen.pdf

    Thanks Gizmo. Good information there.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    Thanks Gizmo. Good information there.

    Added some info there regarding furnishings and fittings etc :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭marathonic


    spoke2cun wrote: »
    If we don't contact our landlord over the years of our tenancy and the place is in a state of disrepair when we are to leave, who foots the bill then?  I'm led to believe that a tenant is to leave a place as they find it. 
    Only damage beyond reasonable wear and tear is the tenants responsibility - and, even then, landlords only have a small deposit from which they can withhold costs (sure, they could chase the tenant up if they wreck the place but most don't because, in general, it's not worth it).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    Here's some pics. And still no reply. Am I getting my moneys worth?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    More pics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭spoke2cun


    The suites:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Did you refer a dispute to the RTB?


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