What exactly is the problem with bestiality?

I come from a farm and still take an active part in farming. In my years of farming, I've seen veterinary surgeons anally palpate ("fist") cows to determine their fertility, using Fairy Liquid as a libricant; I've seen them "squeeze" bull calves (cutting vascular supply to their testes using an instrument resembling a pliars, without anaesthetic).

As a part-time farmer, I don't necessarily object to this, nor do I object to the slaughter of livestock to feed the human species.

But, considering the invasive and painful nature of these techniques, which exist purely for human benefit, I wonder why bestiality is a criminal offence?

This is a serious, genuine question.

I have no paraphilia in this regard! But I wonder why it's a criminal act to penetrate an animal with a genital, and not with a limb? Does this make sense to you?

Seriously, is this just some arbitrary, out-dated distinction?

pangbang

And its bedtime for me

Arghus

It's woof stuff.

Yourself isit

Thank you caller. Moving on...

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I come from a farm and still take an active part in farming. In my years of farming, I've seen veterinary surgeons anally palpate ("fist") cows to determine their fertility, using Fairy Liquid as a libricant; I've seen them "squeeze" bull calves (cutting vascular supply to their testes using an instrument resembling a pliars, without anaesthetic).

As a part-time farmer, I don't necessarily object to this, nor do I object to the slaughter of livestock to feed the human species.

But, considering the invasive and painful nature of these techniques, which exist purely for human benefit, I wonder why bestiality is a criminal offence?

This is a serious, genuine question.

I have no paraphilia in this regard! But I wonder why it's a criminal act to penetrate an animal with a genital, and not with a limb? Does this make sense to you?

Seriously, is this just some arbitrary, out-dated distinction?

I would assume, and I may be wrong, its to do with consent. An animal can not legally give consent the same way a 15 year old boy or girl can not legally give consent in this jurisdiction.

sabat

Didn't a young mother in Limerick die a few years ago after suffering an allergic reaction to Alsatian jizz? I remember there were a lot of restrictions placed on reporting the case and her name was never released.

sabat

sabat wrote: »

Didn't a young mother in Limerick die a few years ago after suffering an allergic reaction to Alsatian jizz? I remember there were a lot of restrictions placed on reporting the case and her name was never released.

I remember that story, though she wasn't a "young mother" from what I recall, she had a teenage son. I remember thinking at the time how sorry I felt for her son. Losing your mother is traumatic enough as it is, but in such a manner would be... inconceivable.

Arghus

sabat wrote: »

Didn't a young mother in Limerick die a few years ago after suffering an allergic reaction to Alsatian jizz? I remember there were a lot of restrictions placed on reporting the case and her name was never released.

Great name for a band: Alsatian Jizz. Even better if it was written in illegible black metal font. That'd be some gnarly band.

SmartinMartin

They don't kiss back.

Surreptitious

What's wrong with bestiality? Oh nothing at all sure, I regularly have sex with a local stallion. In all fairness, animals do not have the higher consciousness of a human being. Even entertaining the notion of indulging in sexual activities with them is sick in itself.

WinnyThePoo

SmartinMartin wrote: »

They don't kiss back.

Yes they do.

greencap

They're too fcking fast.

Robsweezie

sabat wrote:

Didn't a young mother in Limerick die a few years ago after suffering an allergic reaction to Alsatian jizz? I remember there were a lot of restrictions placed on reporting the case and her name was never released.

Poor woman, and a really, really awkward case to report and discuss. What must the family have been thinking? How do you even begin to....

"hey dad, did you hear about the wom...never mind."

Mutant z

you seriously cant see how fukked up it is.

SmartinMartin

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Yes they do.

Swap ya.

MrVestek

I'm probably way off the mark here... But I think it's the whole "actually ****ing animals" bit.

Permabear

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MrVestek

MrVestek wrote: »

I'm probably way off the mark here... But I think it's the whole "actually ****ing animals" bit.

The crux of my question is the problem of inconsistency.

Anybody can palpate ("fist") a farm animal, or castrate them using fairly brutal methods, for a purely human benefit, with impunity.

There's a logical inconsistency at play here. You don't have to favour bestiality to accept that.

jigglypuffstuff

And that's enough Internet for today...

Jesus Wept

Deleted User wrote: »

I would assume, and I may be wrong, its to do with consent. An animal can not legally give consent the same way a 15 year old boy or girl can not legally give consent in this jurisdiction.

They aren't able to consent to any of the other things the OP mentioned, or to being slaughtered.

NinetyTwoTeam

A gynecologist can poke around a woman's ladybits in his office to ensure her health, but he can't do it for his own sexual pleasure without her consent, can he?

Such a dumb thread.

NinetyTwoTeam

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

A gynecologist can poke around a woman's ladybits in his office to ensure her health, but he can't do it for his own sexual pleasure without her consent, can he?
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But obviously the difference there is consent.

In my examples, incapacity to consent is omnipresent. But different rules apply, regardless of pain.

endacl

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But obviously the difference there is consent.

In my examples, incapacity to consent is omnipresent. But different rules apply, regardless of pain.

Keep digging...

endacl

endacl wrote: »

Keep digging...

Keep thanks-whoring.

It's a legitimate question. If it's so easily, so obviously rubbished, then please do so, using your intelligence.

The thread will end, and you will win.

Outlaw Pete

I'd rather come back in my next life as dog owned by a gorgeous zoophilic Swedish blonde than one born in certain parts of Asia.

If you want a link to how the first dog mentioned lives.. PM me :P

endacl

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's a legitimate question.

It is indeed a legitimately stupid question.

Jesus Wept

endacl wrote: »

It is indeed a legitimately stupid question.

It is legal in vast swaths of the world.

See the map here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bestiality_by_country_or_territory

In fact, according to the same page, Germany have recently legalised it as far as I can tell.

It's not the best forum for discussions though because of inane posts like yours that add absolutely nothing.

Eimee90

Because obviously Vets have to do certain procedures in order to save or treat the animal for their health.

Beastiality on the other hand is for the sexual pleasure of a person, going against nature and violating a creature that can't say no.

Why do you need to even ask this, OP?

StupidLikeAFox

Fianna Fail announce new election manifesto which includes:
- Increase in infrastructure spending
- More schools
- Legalisation of sex with dogs
- €5 pension top up

Can't see it happening OP, it would be a seriously hard sell

elsa21

elsa21 wrote: »

Because obviously Vets have to do certain procedures in order to save or treat the animal for their health.

eh? save their life? I'm guessing you're not a farmer.

Life-saving procedures can exist, but rarely
The last time Ive seen anyone anally palpate an animal was to determine if she was ready for artificial insemination.

Fertility checks are probably the most common reason for anal palpation of horses and cows. Nothing to do with life saving or preservation of health.

These things are mainly for human benefit.

Murrisk

It's Devil's Advocacy Week for OP. :pac:

What you should be asking 'Why is it OK to artifically inseminate a cow via fisting?' rather than 'Why isn't it OK to fuck or be fucked by animals?'.

Well, you are asking that, except you've framed it the wrong way in the thread's title. This doesn't really seem to be about bestiality but, rather, why are questionable practices acceptable when they benefit the human race?

The title of the thread was just to provoke and it will probably work.