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Q on Rugby contracts in Ireland with provinces and Irfu

  • 27-06-2017 5:44pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭ M007


    Quick few questions on rugby contracts in Ireland-

    I understand there are centrally contracted players by the irfu and the individual provinces but how are they split? Does the irfu tell centrally contracted players who they have to play for?

    Does the irfu have a say on who goes to which province even though there are contracting with the player?

    Is there a cap on foreign players at each province?

    Will Ulster suffer because of Brexit or are all contracts routed through Dublin or the irfu so they pay in euro?

    Do the provinces have to get sanction from the irfu to contract a player?

    Do foreign players have hurdles to over come like they do in soccer in the U.K. in terms of playing for the international team?

    Is there a salary cap/ struture for the provinces or a squad limit?

    Just interested in views on this. Thanks


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,401 CMod ✭✭✭✭ awec


    M007 wrote: »
    Quick few questions on rugby contracts in Ireland-

    I understand there are centrally contracted players by the irfu and the individual provinces but how are they split? Does the irfu tell centrally contracted players who they have to play for?

    Theoretically the IRFU can tell centrally contracted players where they are playing, but in reality they won't (and haven't) send a centrally contracted player anywhere but his own province.

    The number of central contracts is relatively low, only the most important players get them and the majority of the time they also happen to be the best players at their province.

    Does the irfu have a say on who goes to which province even though there are contracting with the player?
    Yes.

    Is there a cap on foreign players at each province?
    Yes, but it is not a arbitrary number or rule. They will allow foreign signings so long as they don't perceive it to be to the detriment of an Irish player.

    Will Ulster suffer because of Brexit or are all contracts routed through Dublin or the irfu so they pay in euro?
    Hard to know. I imagine all is routed through Dublin but I don't know if they are paid in euro or sterling.

    Do the provinces have to get sanction from the irfu to contract a player?
    An Irish player? I doubt they have to go to explain every single contract to D4 but they would surely get sign off from the IRFU for new contracts. Most of the time it's just a rubber stamping exercise but at times there'll be scrutiny (like offering an old player a long contract).

    Do foreign players have hurdles to over come like they do in soccer in the U.K. in terms of playing for the international team?
    Have to live in Ireland for 3 years continuously and have never been capped for any other country's first or second team.

    Is there a salary cap/ struture for the provinces or a squad limit?
    No salary cap, no squad limit.

    Just interested in views on this. Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭ M007


    Thanks for reply

    Sorry what I meant re foreign players was would they have to internationals in their home country before they could come here to play?

    Do the players Irish contracted players in Ulster pay their taxes up there or via companies down here ?? Do they pay any taxes as sports stars even?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭ CIARAN_BOYLE


    M007 wrote: »
    Thanks for reply

    Sorry what I meant re foreign players was would they have to internationals in their home country before they could come here to play?

    Do the players Irish contracted players in Ulster pay their taxes up there or via companies down here ?? Do they pay any taxes as sports stars even?

    Players would pay taxes in their country of residence.

    Rugby unlike soccer is played in a relatively small number of countries. Non EU players have to get visas. Im not sure what the criteria are however most of our signings would have passports from South Africa or the Pacific Islands (Kolpak agreement) or an EU country through grandparents.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭ Captain_Crash


    M007 wrote: »
    Sorry what I meant re foreign players was would they have to internationals in their home country before they could come here to play?

    I think you are referring to visa requirements in the UK (and prob many other EU countries also) with regards to a player getting a work permit. This has nothing to do with the the sports governing body, but its a requirement in order to get a visa which in other circumstances may not be available.

    I don't know what the rules in Ireland are regarding visas, but the IRFU don't have any scrutiny in allowing a player play here (other than whats been mentioned above re: impacting home grown talent) provided they are legally allowed to do so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭ Maguined


    awec wrote: »
    Yes, but it is not a arbitrary number or rule. They will allow foreign signings so long as they don't perceive it to be to the detriment of an Irish player.

    I thought each province was limited to 4 non-Irish eligible players and allowed a 5th non-Irish qualified player to develop?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,715 ✭✭✭✭ Interested Observer


    Maguined wrote: »
    I thought each province was limited to 4 non-Irish eligible players and allowed a 5th non-Irish qualified player to develop?

    The IRFU has said that but it has been breached in the past and I'm sure will again in the future.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Tomjim


    what would the average salary of a professional in Connaught - making the first team


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭ LeinsterDub


    The IRFU has said that but it has been breached in the past and I'm sure will again in the future.

    The IRFU unlike the Welsh Union don't make hard and fast rules so they don't end up painting themselves into a corner. Playing outside Ireland means you'll not be considered for the international team except when it doesn't. The provincial sides can only have so many NIQ except when they have more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 its_phil


    Tomjim wrote: »
    what would the average salary of a professional in Connaught - making the first team

    Connaught? Never hear of them


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