Boards.ie All time Premier League XI

IncognitoMan

So inspired by the thread about a week ago asking about the best player from each nation I was wondering what would an all time premier league 11 picked by the posters on here look like.

The rules will be simple. We'll start with the Goalkeeper. For 24 hours, any poster can nominate any goal keeper to have played in the premier league. After 24 hours the keeper with the most thanks will go into the team and we'll move onto the next player until we finish the team.

Voting for the Goal keeper will close at 18.30 26/6/17

Here's the formation :

IncognitoMan

I'm nominating Peter Schmeichel. Don't really think much needs to be said about the great Dane.

lassykk

Great idea for a thread. Can't look past Schmeichel myself either

Skylinehead

Between Schmeichel and Cech. Schmeichel is the obvious choice, but the clean sheets racked up by Cech at Chelsea, and so quickly...not sure myself.

IncognitoMan

You can nominate Cech and see how many votes he gets.

David Seaman.

Just to fire in another name really and give a choice, but think there is only one winner...

Benimar

I think the answer is probably Schmeichel, but just to get a debate going I'll nominate David Seaman.

Started pre-PL but played in 12 PL seasons, he can be overlooked a bit by younger fans. Probably the best keeper England have had since the Clemence/Shilton era - high profile gaffes aside.

Won 3 titles (2 PL) and was as vital as any of the defenders in earning Arsenal a reputation for being miserly at the back.

IncognitoMan

Ok anyone who wants to vote for Seaman can thank this post. It just makes it easier if the number of votes gets big to be able to look at the number of thanks and pick a winner that way, instead of having to go through and count individual posts.

David Seaman

Benimar

Benimar wrote: »

I think the answer is probably Schmeichel, but just to get a debate going I'll nominate David Seaman.

Started pre-PL but played in 12 PL seasons, he can be overlooked a bit by younger fans. Probably the best keeper England have had since the Clemence/Shilton era - high profile gaffes aside.

Won 3 titles (2 PL) and was as vital as any of the defenders in earning Arsenal a reputation for being miserly at the back.

Have to say, think Nigel Martyn was a marginally better keeper, solid if unspectacular, deserved a lot more caps and surely Leeds greatest signing in the 90s. But Seaman was more successful and was in the English set up before Martyn, so was hard to displace. Didn't nominate Martyn as figured Seaman would be higher profile.

dfx-

Van Der Sar for me as I don't think Schmeichel did well at City or Villa.

Juventus, a good stint at Fulham and finishing with trophies at United is quite a career.

irishman86

David James for me, brilliant at Aston Villa and Portsmouth

chopperbyrne

Schmeichel was considered the best goalkeeper in the world in his prime.

Don't think any other premier league era keeper can say that.

chopperbyrne

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Schmeichel was considered the best goalkeeper in the world in his prime.

Don't think any other premier league era keeper can say that.

I'd say Cech surely was also considered the best in the world in his prime.

sReq | uTeK

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd say Cech surely was also considered the best in the world in his prime.

Yea agree and Pretty sure De Gea is regarded as one of the best in the world and he's not even in his prime

Alfred Borden

Any one of Van Der Sar, Cech or Schmeichel. Nothing between them for me.

Skylinehead

IncognitoMan wrote: »

You can nominate Cech and see how many votes he gets.

Yeah might as well, for completeness.

Left Back on the Bench

I put in Nigel Martyn earlier as another option

Left Back on the Bench

Left Back on the Bench wrote: »

I put in Nigel Martyn earlier as another option

He was a brilliant keeper. Very few howlers...in fact trying to think of just one. So utterly reliable. Desperately unlucky that he was slightly younger than Seaman and so never got the international recognition he deserved, or that his Leeds side didn't scale the heights of other teams. The one player from the modern era that would walk on to an all time Leeds XI.

Hierro_4

Once you factor out all of the nostalgia bias, it's comfortably David de Gea.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hierro_4 wrote: »

Once you factor out all of the nostalgia bias, it's comfortably David de Gea.

Nah.

IncognitoMan

Hierro_4 wrote: »

Once you factor out all of the nostalgia bias, it's comfortably David de Gea.

Sure throw it up as a nomination and see how many he gets. I'll only be counting thanks as votes otherwise it gets a bit of a pain in the arse.

Hierro_4

He won't win due to aforementioned nostalgia bias, but it's easily De Gea.

Hierro_4

Hierro_4 wrote: »

He won't win due to aforementioned nostalgia bias, but it's easily De Gea.

Unlike Martyn, I can think of a few de Gea horror moments. He really shouldn't be in the conversation, albeit that he became a fine keeper and learned from his mistakes.

super_furry

Can't see past Schmeichel myself. Maybe Cech in his prime, but that wasn't as long as Schmeichel in his.

Hierro_4

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Unlike Martyn, I can think of a few de Gea horror moments. He really shouldn't be in the conversation, albeit that he became a fine keeper and learned from his mistakes.

The reason you can't think of any Martyn horror moments is due to the aforementioned nostalgia bias.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hierro_4 wrote: »

The reason you can't think of any Martyn horror moments is due to the aforementioned nostalgia bias.

The reason you think De Gea is "comfortably" the best keeper of the Premier League era is due to recency bias.

Hierro_4

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The reason you think De Gea is "comfortably" the best keeper of the Premier League era is due to recency bias.

He has by far the most appearances for a GK in the PFA awards, no?

super_furry

De Gea wouldn't get near it. Van der Sar would be way ahead of him.

FatherTed

Some statistics for you:

Cleansheets:
Cech: 190 cs in 402 games
James: 169/572
Schwarzer : 152/514
Seaman: 142/344
Martyn: 138/372
Reina: 144/285
van der Sar: 134/313
Howard: 132/399
Friedel: 132/450
Schmeichel: 129/310

De Gea: 75/200

Hierro_4

super_furry wrote: »

De Gea wouldn't get near it. Van der Sar would be way ahead of him.

He's been in PFA team of the year 4 times. Who else gets near that?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Hierro_4 wrote: »

He's been in PFA team of the year 4 times. Who else gets near that?

A pointless stat as he benefited from being on a bad team but with a big club means he's made look better than the other top keepers as he has more work to do than they do.It's easier to look like a great keeper when you have a mediocre team in front of you.

He's in the conversation but you said he was comfortably the best which of course is pure nonsense.

Schmeichel was on in the PFA team of the year once in his career despite being widely regarded as the best keeper in the world for much of the 90's, but being on a good team counts against him in that award as goalies in top teams never get as much opportunity to look good.

Donnielighto

Hierro_4 wrote: »

He's been in PFA team of the year 4 times. Who else gets near that?

That's impressive but I'd have him behind both of the other utd keepers atm but to overtake soon.

Regarding the number of awards that may be more to do with the quality of other keepers.

Donnielighto

Also, can we have discussion of 442 VS 4231 the earlier one was dominant and allow for two strikers bit still a midfield or wide slot where most 10s also played in.

GavRedKing

Hierro_4 wrote: »

He's been in PFA team of the year 4 times. Who else gets near that?

In two of those 4 years, Joe Hart won the golden glove, something De Gea hasnt won at all, so is Hart better than De Gea?

Donnielighto

GavRedKing wrote: »

In two of those 4 years, Joe Hart won the golden glove, something De Gea hasnt won at all, so is Hart better than De Gea?

Golden glove shows more of a team aspect than getting into the team of the year as keeper.

dfx-

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Any one of Van Der Sar, Cech or Schmeichel. Nothing between them for me.

van der Sar...two CL titles, one Uefa Cup, 5 CL finals, 3 PFA team of the year appearances, clean sheet record i think

Skylinehead

dfx- wrote: »

van der Sar...two CL titles, one Uefa Cup, 5 CL finals, 3 PFA team of the year appearances, clean sheet record i think

Cech has the most total (and best average) but I remember van der Sar not conceding for something like 3 months.

GavRedKing

Donnielighto wrote: »

Golden glove shows more of a team aspect than getting into the team of the year as keeper.

I get that, but Hart has also appeared in two TOTY's.

I'm not disputing who I'd rather have as GK, its De Gea all day, but I just think De Gea right now is probably 3rd best behind Schmeichel and Cech, not that it matters, Schmeichel will win out this round.

IncognitoMan

Donnielighto wrote: »

Also, can we have discussion of 442 VS 4231 the earlier one was dominant and allow for two strikers bit still a midfield or wide slot where most 10s also played in.

Sure. I was kinda more thinking of a 4411 with the 10 being the more withdrawn striker and the 9 being the main man. But if people feel a flat 442 is better can go with that.

GavRedKing

I'm going to put this out there early too, this is going to end up a combined Utd/Liverpool 1-11 on the basis of popularity, maybe 1 Arsenal player will get into it. We'll see.

IncognitoMan

There no way Henry doesn't make it anyway. Shearer as well I'd say will get in handy enough.

We'll see how it goes.

irishman86

Hierro_4 wrote: »

Once you factor out all of the nostalgia bias, it's comfortably David de Gea.

Nonsense

GavRedKing

IncognitoMan wrote: »

There no way Henry doesn't make it anyway. Shearer as well I'd say will get in handy enough.

We'll see how it goes.

Theres probably only 2 non Utd/Pool places up for grabs, LB and CF. I think anyway.

sReq | uTeK

Ashley Cole at LB, Henry and Shearer as CF.

Hierro_4

Hierro_4 wrote: »

Once you factor out all of the nostalgia bias, it's comfortably David de Gea.

I think everyone is aware that De Gea is a fantastic goalkeeper.
For me personally if talking about all time greats I would be thinking of keepers who are near retirement or retired (even though I know the Op suggests otherwise).
I have no doubt he's one of the best and will be considered an all time great.

Alfred Borden

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Ashley Cole at LB, Henry and Shearer as CF.

Lampard, Terry and Adams surely get in too? Could make a case for Zabaleta and Vieira too.

GavRedKing

Alfred Borden wrote: »

Lampard, Terry and Adams surely get in too? Could make a case for Zabaleta and Vieira too.

Not a hope will they get in, you can make a case for either but in a popular vote (taking away ability) it wont happen.

I can predict the team but it wont include any of the above players you mentioned.

We'll see though.

IncognitoMan

GavRedKing wrote: »

Not a hope will they get in, you can make a case for either but in a popular vote (taking away ability) it wont happen.

I can predict the team but it wont include any of the above players you mentioned.

We'll see though.

Looking at the front 4 from the formation I posted I thought it would end up Shearer at the 9, Henry at the 11, Bergkamp at the 10 and Ronaldo at the 7. Cole and Terry have decent shots in defense as well. Lampard won't get in and imho that's the right shout there as I think Keane, Scholes, Viera and Gerrard are all better midfielders for me.

Benimar

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Looking at the front 4 from the formation I posted I thought it would end up Shearer at the 9, Henry at the 11, Bergkamp at the 10 and Ronaldo at the 7. Cole and Terry have decent shots in defense as well. Lampard won't get in and imho that's the right shout there as I think Keane, Scholes, Viera and Gerrard are all better midfielders for me.

That probably should be the front 4 ok (not saying it will be as I subscribe to Gavs view on this) which means that the 'discussion' over the 2 CM spots should be lively!

Keane, Gerrard, Scholes, Vieira, Lampard are contenders off the top of my head.

MightyMandarin

FatherTed wrote: »

Some statistics for you:

Cleansheets:
Cech: 190 cs in 402 games
James: 169/572
Schwarzer : 152/514
Seaman: 142/344
Martyn: 138/372
Reina: 144/285
van der Sar: 134/313
Howard: 132/399
Friedel: 132/450
Schmeichel: 129/310

Pepe Reina had more clean sheets than all of these lads in less games. **** it may aswell throw his name in here, cause I love maths...





....and beach balls.

GavRedKing

Reina is apparently 134 from 285, his ratio is only 2nd to Cech in terms of clean sheets to games. Good shout though.