Cycling Etiquette

thelawman

Don't know whether to laugh or cry,

ED E

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First 10 seconds, fancies himself a tuber then uses that music? Lol....

Atlantic Dawn

Does he not have his bike blocking the northbound cycle lane, then he's complaining about courtesy, pure tool. I'd have not stopped if I had all the tools he needed with an attitude like that.

magicbastarder

does he fancy himself as durianrider with the language?

magicbastarder

'i'm standing beside my bike and people don't stop to help'; is simlpy standing beside a bike supposedly meant to telegraph that he's in trouble?

'people aren't stopping to help me with a problem they won't be able to assist with!'

traco

He looks like he's takin a selfie holding the camera up?????

ED E

Bending down struggling with a tyre and standing admiring yourself are very different signals.

Chuchote

Hmm… I'll slow down and say "Are you ok? Do you need help? I have tools…" if someone actually has the bike turned up; wouldn't occur to me if he was wheeling it along.

07Lapierre

Jesus! What does he want? Someone to stop and give him a wheel? 5 broken spokes? Of course, he could just ASK someone for assistance!!!

Would have been better served phoning for Team Car wife/mammy for pick up / wheel instead of taking selfies :pac:

Think we've all had those days but didn't make youtube videos about them ... bloody tool



EDIT: Oh no I made the mistake of checking youtube comments, bring a bucket folks

on_the_nickel

I'm taking a video of myself while my bike leans against a wall across the way on a busy cyclepath. Why hasn't someone noticed my plight?????

Wishbone Ash

07Lapierre wrote: »

Jesus! What does he want? Someone to stop and give him a wheel? 5 broken spokes? Of course, he could just ASK someone for assistance!!!

Did you spot our two club mates at 42 seconds?

07Lapierre

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Did you spot our two club mates at 42 seconds?

In keeping with the tone of the video....yes I f**kin did!

plodder

Maybe it's one of those things - the more people there are around, the less likely anyone is to stop. I'm new to this whole lark and I was well impressed one time I was out for a spin on very quiet roads in Meath, and I stopped to admire the scenery. Two bikes passed me and both asked was I alright.

RobertFoster

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Did you spot our two club mates at 42 seconds?

Three, no?

brianomc

If he was working on the bike I would be inclined to stop and see if he was ok. But from a distance it would have looked to me like he was taking a break, taking photos/video, making a call. At the point he's standing I'm more likely to be watching out for the bollards and to make sure nobody was going to swing in off the road.

Holding up the wheel I'd be likely to stop alright but if you were stop for every cyclist who wasn't cycling along that path you wouldn't get anywhere. How many do you see sitting on the benches along the Sutton side of St Annes Park and sitting on the grass on the city side.

Calling the guy a tosser before giving him the chance to stop was fairly out of order, and honestly, if I saw him now in need of a hand I would probably keep going. Harsh on the other A1 Coaching clad members who are now associated with that.

John_Rambo

I've stopped for cyclists in mechanical trouble in the car on the Dublin city to Howth stretch. But not on the bike, I'd be useless to them on my short commute with no spare gear. Nobodies ever taken me up on a lift though. They've always rang someone to pick them up and some of them were a bit perplexed at me stopping to offer help.

I guess he's harking back to a pre-mobile phone time when people stopped to help each other out if one was in trouble. The vlog is a a bit misjudged but I can sort of see where he's coming from. Unfortunately it does hint of "the newbies" not towing the line a bit.

There's not much conviviality on that stretch to be honest. I used to nod or wave, even chat at stops. But I gave up with the serious cyclists. They're obviously training very hard on very expensive bikes and can't chat or acknowledge other cyclists, your average Joe or Josephine on regular BSO's will chat away.

I'd imagine if he was on a lonely road in the Dublin Mountains he'd have people stopping to check if he was ok.

Wishbone Ash

RobertFoster wrote: »

Three, no?

I was kinda thinking that alright but wasn't sure.

Wishbone Ash

John_Rambo wrote: »

...I guess he's harking back to a pre-mobile phone time when people stopped to help each other out if one was in trouble. The vlog is a a bit misjudged but I can sort of see where he's coming from. Unfortunately it does hint of "the newbies" not towing the line a bit....

He looks to me to be perhaps early to mid 30's so I doubt he'd remember the pre mobile phone era. The way he continually refers to being a 'roadman', you'd swear he rode with Coppi and Bartali.

ford2600

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

He looks to me to be perhaps early to mid 30's so I doubt he'd remember the pre mobile phone era. The way he continually refers to being a 'roadman', you'd swear he rode with Coppi and Bartali.

He's Anthony Walsh the owner of A1 coaching?

Pretty decent rider in fairness.

Given the explosion in cycling numbers, and all the good and bad that has come with it you have to expect some comments like that from some guys who grew up in the sport. I've seen similar in other sports

Something to put on his YouTube channel more than anything. He has had similar stuff before about the Sunday spin.

Borderfox

I always find when cycling in the city very few cyclists will even return a wave never mind stop to help.

at1withmyself

What a moron, If you need help then ask for help. I don't get why I should ask you if you need help. If it was me in that situation I would be clever enough to know it's not a side of the road repair and would ring for lift, If no phone ask someone for a lend and ring a taxi but what exactly did he expect, maybe one of the guys passing had a few spare wheels.

I was caught out before when I had multiple punctures so I stood at the side of the road and asked cyclist as they passed and you know what, I got sorted very quickly by asking. Video makes me angry it's so stupid!!!

1bryan

ford2600 wrote: »

He's Anthony Walsh the owner of A1 coaching?

Pretty decent rider in fairness.

Given the explosion in cycling numbers, and all the good and bad that has come with it you have to expect some comments like that from some guys who grew up in the sport. I've seen similar in other sports

Something to put on his YouTube channel more than anything. He has had similar stuff before about the Sunday spin.

exactly. Jaysus, people need to cool the jets a bit. He's having a bit of craic with this video. Watch other A1 videos (SERIOUSLY, watch them, they're excellent). Very witty, and they certainly don't take themselves too seriously.

Unlike a lot of folks here, seemingly.

Wishbone Ash

ford2600 wrote: »

.........Pretty decent rider in fairness.....

I'd give him a lot more than 'pretty decent'.

Brian?

Doesn't matter if the guy is a complete dickhead or the soundest fella ever, people should have stopped to ask if he was alright. It's the right thing to do.

With the new wave of participants in cycling a lot of the old etiquette is being lost. It's a real shame.

Stop if someone is obviously in trouble. Wave to cyclists going the other way. If you pass someone who's clearly struggling, offer them a wheel and a brief respite from the wind.

califano

Is there any such thing like schwalbe for thin tyres so as not to get punctured?. Haven't got a puncture since I've used these on my hybrid.

Macy0161

In work, so can't see the video, but it would want to be pretty obvious on an urban cycle path for me to stop. Rural, I'd always ask.

Brian? wrote:

With the new wave of participants in cycling a lot of the old etiquette is being lost. It's a real shame.

Not sure it really is, and if it is, it's just reflective of the etiquette decline in general I'd suggest.

califano wrote: »

Is there any such thing like schwalbe for thin tyres so as not to get punctured?. Haven't got a puncture since I've used these on my hybrid.

You can get Marathon Plus in 25mm which would fit most road bikes. Very heavy compared to the other options.

Chuchote

Brian? wrote: »

Stop if someone is obviously in trouble. Wave to cyclists going the other way. If you pass someone who's clearly struggling, offer them a wheel and a brief respite from the wind.

All yes, but obviously in trouble is the key here. I wouldn't have thought he was in trouble.

I've stopped to help people - usually with something simple like a chain that's come off - and sometimes they seem scared at first; Ireland has changed, I think, a lot of people don't automatically talk to and trust strangers.

Borderfox

From looking at the video the back wheel is off the bike, surely to me that indicates he's in trouble?

Chuchote

Borderfox wrote: »

From looking at the video the back wheel is off the bike, surely to me that indicates he's in trouble?

Ah, you're right. But standing there waving the wheel?

carltonleon

I would nearly always ask if I saw someone in trouble.
Helped a lad who was stranded just after Sally Gap a couple of months ago who had a puncture and he was so cold that he was shivering and couldn't get his wheel pumped up. By the time I was finished helping him I was freezing but at least the 2 of us could get back on the bikes and ride to warm up again at that stage.
I would not have thought that he was in trouble, if he was standing beside the bike then I would have asked but to me it did not look like he was in trouble and was just taking a break.
I probably would have saw him but not noticed the bike as they were not together

RacoonQueen

Haven't watched the video but read his spiel along with it on facebook the other day and thought he was being a bit ridiculous. What sort of 'help' did he expect to get?
The couple of times I've had to stop on my own I've always had people offer help...probably because I was actually working on the bike at the time though rather than filming myself.

Don't Chute!

I find his attitude very annoying. He seems to be of the opinion that none of the people that passed him are "real" cyclists like he is. A lot of people who cycle these days might not know the first thing about maintenance and wouldn't be able to help someone. Mocking people for having carbon bikes and shoes! Called one guy a tosser before he passed him! As someone else said I've regularly stopped while driving to ask if people were ok and almost always stop when on my bike but quite a few times they have looked at me like I just **** in their helmets! I think to most of the people who passed him it would have looked like he was taking photos or something.

yop

Agree with comments on both side. But for I know him I'd be saying he was acting a bit childish. If your on your phone and your bike is 10 feet away leant up against a wall then you ain't going to get help.
IF you back wheel is off or your wheel is in the air then FFS someone has to have the decency to ask.

There is a massive explosion and there is a big decrease in etiquette but in fairness thats because people just dont know. But common decency is another thing which is missing, you always look out for fellow riders, salute them and ask them if they need help. Its just a nice thing to do, someday it will be you.

Eamonnator

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about"

davgtrek

I can't listen to this lad anymore. Ring a taxi and get over it ! He used to have a few good videos in his early days with a1 coaching but his attempt at a GCN type show is pure head in your hands cringe stuff`. OK lads ye have run out of coffee ( it cant have been that good if ye are drinking it out of those buckets for mugs ) and how many more times can I curse. Certainly no durianrider as one poster said. He should stick to coaching "offline". sorry RANT over

tommyirl

Thats unbelievable. I wonder is it a cycling/triathlon club ethic, that is missed by the ordinary cyclist. I'd personally never go by a cyclist on the side of the road. In the past, I've borrowed or lent out tubes, food anything that was needed.

magicbastarder

maybe a lot of cyclists would feel 'what can i offer someone decked out so much more professionally than i am?'

Miklos

If I saw someone on the side of the road making a video of himself I wouldn't be especially inclined to stop.

Sarz91

I dunno I've always thought that if you see someone in trouble, you stop to help. End of. Doesn't matter if you know how to fix the issue or not. There have been plenty of times where I've come across a problem I don't have the tools to fix. Snapped chain and no chain tool etc. I'll always stop though as they might also have a dead battery/no credit etc and be unable to call for a lift or something like that. Everyone passing him has a phone, the least they can do is stop and ask if there's anyway they can help.

If you can't help then no big deal it's added 30 seconds to your journey.

I love Sean nos

Bloke is just looking for YouTube publicity and he's getting it now. I've stopped in the car and offered assistance to people, including a chap who was trying to replace a tubular tyre in a hedge. I don't have any tools with me, but I'm willing to offer a lift somewhere.

Tenzor07

Ah I reckon he's thinking back on the old days.. I mean I used to know almost everyone i'd see on mountain bikes on spins in the hills, now there's just so many people on bikes...

Also, it would be wise that everyone carries the correct multitool/tubes etc and a fully charged phone..

Though no matter what i'd always say "you alright" as I passed someone at the side of the trail/road with there bike...

All My Stars Aligned

As he looks so 'pro' I would have assumed he wouldn't have accepted help from anyone other then a team mate as to avoid getting disqualified or at least picking to a time pen! I'm quite sure everybody else was thinking the same.

All My Stars Aligned

I love Fridays

Brian?

Chuchote wrote: »

Ah, you're right. But standing there waving the wheel?

Waving a wheel? Who does that outside a race?

The guy was stopped on a cycle path, obviously in trouble. The least I would have done was slow down and ask if there was anything I could do. His phone could be dead, he may have not money for a taxi, he could have run out of tubes etc etc.

A quick "Alright horse?" Is the least I'd expect.

1bryan

1bryan wrote: »

exactly. Jaysus, people need to cool the jets a bit. He's having a bit of craic with this video. Watch other A1 videos (SERIOUSLY, watch them, they're excellent). Very witty, and they certainly don't take themselves too seriously.

Unlike a lot of folks here, seemingly.

Their show has great potential. I wish they'd edit it down a bit, can't be watching 40 + minutes.:pac:

buffalo

I think everyone's missing the main issue here, and I can't believe the discussion has gotten this far without someone mentioning it.

This is not a question of etiquette, it's one of manners.

niceonetom

It's a delicate balance.

On the one hand, we should all be ready to help our fellow cyclist in time of need...

On the other, it's prudent to avoid eye-contact with mad people. And if you're filming yourself talking to yourself, waving at strangers for help with a problem that you know for a fact they will not be able to help you with, then you might be a mad person.

Rogue-Trooper

Hmmmm, he doesn't exactly come across well in that vid. However, I do agree that few people ever ask if you need help.

If I ever see someone that looks like they are in trouble I always stop and ask if they are ok or if they need anything, despite only posessing limited mechanical skills myself. Sometimes all they might need is the lend of a phone to call the broomwagon. I've often given away tubes, patch kits and CO2 cannisters, loaned levers, pump, allen keys, etc. My first aid skills were also employed on more than one occasion. I've often been late for work (or my dinner!) as I've stopped to help a cyclist in need. I always carry a Saris Solo rack in the boot of the car in case I come across a stranded cyclist that might be in need of a lift. My theory is that it may be me some day needing that help - pay it forward and all of that!

The most annoying thing about that video though is not his rant, it's the fact that the footage is reversed. What's that about?!!

daragh_

Rider out in the wilds - always stop and check.

Rider in the 'burbs on a commute - I'm on the way to work, might stop if they looks like they are struggling and I'm not late.

Anto Walsh hanging about in a bike lane - defo stop to help, if only to learn the secret of unsubscribing from various A1 mailing lists

Rokta

As others pointed out, the location is probably key to it. Out in the countryside passing cyclists usually greet you or ask if you alright even if you are on a break and I have never encountered somebody not asking if you are alright when you are standing on the roadside fumbling about on your bike.

But in town, nah not really. I also would be to busy looking for traffic, bollards, glass and the usual shenanigans you can encounter on cycle paths.