Celebrating LBGT Pride in the work place

Terrlock

What do christians think of celebrating LBGTQ Pride as part of the work place and having to particapate in it?

https://www.bustle.com/articles/167611-5-ways-to-celebrate-lgbtq-pride-at-work

Many companies in Ireland are adopting this celebration this month.

Are christians just being forced to bare and grin open celbration of sin?

Can we have a day of celebrating of Traditional Man and women relationships?

wordofwarning

Terrlock wrote: »

What do christians think of celebrating LBGTQ Pride as part of the work place and having to particapate in it?

Having to participate in what exactly? Pride in most companies is a few banners and flags at most. What is so wrong about a company telling its employees we accept you for who you are?

Terrlock wrote: »

Many companies in Ireland are adopting this celebration this month.

Most are US multinationals who know that making LGBT employees feel safe and comfortable increases productivity and the share price. It is generally a commerical decision.

Terrlock wrote: »

Are christians just being forced to bare and grin open celbration of sin?

Can we have a day of celebrating of Traditional Man and women relationships?

If you are not happy about working in a firm taking a proactive approach to be inclusive to all whether it being race, sexual orientation, religion, gender etc. You are more than welcome to work in a less tolerant firm. No one is forcing you to work in a tolerant firm. There are plenty of homophobic, racist, misogynistic firms in Ireland for you to choose from. If you are not happy with your firms values, find a firm with values that suit you...

Do you know the origins of pride? LGBT people in NYC had enough of being harassed by the police and being beaten up by the police. They were sick of being marginalised and being attacked in one of the few places they felt safe. Pride is about celebrating how far LGBT people have come in society and not forgetting how LGBT got there.

Pride is not a celebration of sin. It is a celebration of going to gay bar and knowing you won't end up in a prison.

jobbridge4life

Terrlock wrote: »

What do christians think of celebrating LBGTQ Pride as part of the work place and having to particapate in it?

https://www.bustle.com/articles/167611-5-ways-to-celebrate-lgbtq-pride-at-work

Many companies in Ireland are adopting this celebration this month.

Are christians just being forced to bare and grin open celbration of sin?

Can we have a day of celebrating of Traditional Man and women relationships?

Plenty of Christians don't view homosexuality as sin. Plenty of Christians don't view Pride as a celebration of same. Plenty of Christians will openly and proudly participate in Pride.

How do non-Christians feel about the fact that they forced to not work/close their businesses for many Christian festivals?

Can you have a day of celebrating traditional man and women relationships? Firstly you've had LITERALLY ALL OF HISTORY, secondly if no one ever invited you to an engagement party, wedding, anniversary party before 2015 (and obvs after) then that probs says more about you than society friend.

I for one will be attending Pride and will be bringing my rosary beads, in celebration.

conditioned games

Anything to do with same sex gayness has no place in the workforce. Bad enough media has become a cest pool of immorality, trying to push this into the workforce is wrong, it should be a place to work and not a place to push agendas that have no place. I wouldn't feel comfortable working in an environment where we are going out of our way to support an odd behaviour that should not exist.

I love Sean nos

Terrlock wrote: »

What do christians think of celebrating LBGTQ Pride as part of the work place and having to particapate in it?

I know what you mean OP. Received a mail today and apparently there's a gay orgy in meeting room 2 next Tuesday lunchtime and attendance is mandatory. :eek:

Kidding! :pac: There was an email or two sent around about it (LGBT pride, not a mandatory gay orgy) and whatever events are planned. I spend most of my working time on client sites, so I filed them away.

Terrlock wrote: »

Are christians just being forced to bare and grin open celbration of sin?

Where do you work?

Teyla Emmagan

As a Christian I have had to put up with a new rainbow banner on the intranet and two guys on the lobby giving out lollipops and stickers for Pride week.

It hasn't exactly been onerous. In fact the lollipop was delicious.

Collie D

conditioned games wrote: »

I wouldn't feel comfortable working in an environment where we are going out of our way to support an odd behaviour that should not exist.

I was going to write something about equal rights in the workplace, etc but I feel "Tough <snip>" is more apt

gizmo81

I think the Bare and Grin Club are marching in the parade on Saturday if you want to join in.

Don't forget your harness!

Terrlock wrote: »

What do christians think of celebrating LBGTQ Pride as part of the work place and having to particapate in it?

https://www.bustle.com/articles/167611-5-ways-to-celebrate-lgbtq-pride-at-work

Many companies in Ireland are adopting this celebration this month.

Are christians just being forced to bare and grin open celbration of sin?

Can we have a day of celebrating of Traditional Man and women relationships?

I love Sean nos

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

As a Christian I have had to put up with a new rainbow banner on the intranet and two guys on the lobby giving out lollipops and stickers for Pride week.

The joke would be on them. I'm not even Christian.

Terrlock

I love Sean nos wrote: »

I know what you mean OP. Received a mail today and apparently there's a gay orgy in meeting room 2 next Tuesday lunchtime and attendance is mandatory. :eek:

Kidding! :pac: There was an email or two sent around about it (LGBT pride, not a mandatory gay orgy) and whatever events are planned. I spend most of my working time on client sites, so I filed them away.


Where do you work?

Our meeting is next week also not tuesday though, not going to state where I work or anything.

I have never bullied anyone in my life, or treated anyone in an unrespectfull manner.

I have always befriended everyone no matter their color, gender or sexual preferences.

I take everyone as they are. If they choose to engage in sinfull ways then all be it I'm not here to bash them over the head or berate them for it.

I just don't want to be forced to participate in any way shape or form in celebrating their life choices when it goes agains't everything I believe in.

However as a christian I feel that pride is a sin. And I wouldn't celebrate pride in any manner no matter what is was for.

Now being asked to celebrate Pride and living a gay lifestyle is something I can't do when I know that would put me against GOD.

We can't we just go to work to work.

368100

What happened to love thy neighbour? I thought Christianity was based on love and peace to all........only applicable to some it seems

frag420

conditioned games wrote: »

Anything to do with same sex gayness has no place in the workforce. Bad enough media has become a cest pool of immorality, trying to push this into the workforce is wrong, it should be a place to work and not a place to push agendas that have no place. I wouldn't feel comfortable working in an environment where we are going out of our way to support an odd behaviour that should not exist.

So I guess you would be happy to forgo your christian holidays then and just work through them, work on the sabbath too eh?

Berserker

wordofwarning wrote: »

Most are US multinationals who know that making LGBT employees feel safe and comfortable increases productivity and the share price. It is generally a commerical decision.

LGBT Pride is the latest "thing" for companies. One of the recruitment agencies that we deal with sent us LGBT rainbow cupcakes this evening. They send us Santa ones at Christmas and Green ones for St. Patricks' day. As a Christian, I was always brought up to respect every person for who they are, whether you agree with them or not, so LGBT isn't an issue for me.

In my place of work, they are asking people to sign a petition to say that you support people being their authentic self but I haven't felt under any pressure to do so. People who do so get a rainbow lanyard.

We were discussing the campaign at lunch and we wondered how the organisation would react to someone being their authentic self, in reality. If one of my male colleagues came into work tomorrow dressed as a female and stated that he wanted to be addressed as Mary, for example, how would they actually react, as an organisation?

Terrlock

368100 wrote: »

What happened to love thy neighbour? I thought Christianity was based on love and peace to all........only applicable to some it seems

You have no idea of what Love thy neighbour means.

gizmo81

A lot of companies are very accepting now of transgender staff

http://www.independent.ie/life/transgender-woman-incredibly-touched-by-amazing-letter-from-colleagues-after-returning-to-the-workplace-as-aoife-35347132.html

Berserker wrote: »

We were discussing the campaign at lunch and we wondered how the organisation would actually react to someone being their authentic self, in reality. If one of my male colleagues came into work tomorrow dressed as a female and stated that he wanted to be addressed as Mary, for example, how would they actually react, as an organisation?

gizmo81

Don't worry Mary, God was on the blower he wants to borrow my 'sequinced' bustier for the parade, she's a real goer once she's on the wine.

Terrlock wrote: »

Now being asked to celebrate Pride and living a gay lifestyle is something I can't do when I know that would put me against GOD.

We can't we just go to work to work.

Terrlock

Terrlock wrote: »

You have no idea of what Love thy neighbour means.

What does it mean? Just so everyone is on the same page

Berserker

gizmo81 wrote: »

A lot of companies are very accepting now of transgender staff

http://www.independent.ie/life/transgender-woman-incredibly-touched-by-amazing-letter-from-colleagues-after-returning-to-the-workplace-as-aoife-35347132.html

That's a lovely article and it would be nice if that was the case for a lot of companies but i'm not convinced that a non-multinational would be as helpful. I was seated with a number of high ranking officials for that discussion and the feedback was not as positive.

gizmo81

but your company was rewarding people with Rainbow Lanyards for Pride?

Berserker wrote: »

That's a lovely article and it would be nice if that was the case for a lot of companies but i'm not convinced that an non-multinational would be as helpful. I was seated with a number of high ranking officials for that discussion and the feedback was not as positive.

368100

conditioned games wrote: »

Anything to do with same sex gayness has no place in the workforce. Bad enough media has become a cest pool of immorality, trying to push this into the workforce is wrong, it should be a place to work and not a place to push agendas that have no place. I wouldn't feel comfortable working in an environment where we are going out of our way to support an odd behaviour that should not exist.

I view people gathering every week to drink the blood and eat the body of a 2000 year old person who has no proof that he actually existed and speaking to thin air as odd behavior. Should I tell my colleagues that they shouldn't get easter and Christmas off?

I love Sean nos

conditioned games wrote: »

same sex gayness

Is there some other kind?

Delirium

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Berserker

gizmo81 wrote: »

but your company was rewarding people with Rainbow Lanyards for Pride?

Yep, that is my point. It's easy putting out a sheet to sign and giving people a lanyard but you get a different reaction when the very same people, managerial level, have to deal with the issue in reality. I managed a employee who transitioned when I worked in the USA and she was welcomed back with open arms; lovely lady but I suspect that a good number of companies here would look to "manage" that person out of the organisation.

Terrlock

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

What does it mean? Just so everyone is on the same page

It's actually love your neighbour as yourself

Loving someone doesn't mean you celebrate their life choices when you know they are sinfull

If you love someone and they take drugs you don't celebrate them taking drugs.

If you loved them you would help them in any way you could to be there for them to help them off the drugs.

Terrlock

368100 wrote: »

I view people gathering every week to drink the blood and eat the body of a 2000 year old person who has no proof that he actually existed and speaking to thin air as odd behavior. Should I tell my colleagues that they shouldn't get easter and Christmas off?

Would you prefer if we had our christian celebrations in the work place?

How about a day at work celebrating christianity and singing praises to the Lord?

Would you be okay with that?

Timberrrrrrrr

Terrlock wrote: »

Our meeting is next week also not tuesday though, not going to state where I work or anything.

I have never bullied anyone in my life, or treated anyone in an unrespectfull manner.

I have always befriended everyone no matter their color, gender or sexual preferences.

I take everyone as they are. If they choose to engage in sinfull ways then all be it I'm not here to bash them over the head or berate them for it.

I just don't want to be forced to participate in any way shape or form in celebrating their life choices when it goes agains't everything I believe in.

However as a christian I feel that pride is a sin. And I wouldn't celebrate pride in any manner no matter what is was for.

Now being asked to celebrate Pride and living a gay lifestyle is something I can't do when I know that would put me against GOD.

We can't we just go to work to work.

So you wouldn't take pride in your work? Wouldn't feel pride if your child won a medal for a sporting event?

What exactly is it that your being forced to do in regards to celebrating pride?

I love Sean nos

Terrlock wrote: »

Can we have a day of celebrating of Traditional Man and women relationships?

I'd like to take this idea to management in my workplace, but I need some ideas. Do you have any suggestions OP as to what form such a celebration would take?

gizmo81

This reminds me of the Marks and Spencer's Pride offering, Don't let anybody rain on your parade.

Terrlock

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So you wouldn't take pride in your work? Wouldn't feel pride if your child won a medal for a sporting event?

What exactly is it that your being forced to do in regards to celebrating pride?

Your are correct I wouldn't take pride in work. This is my point.

If there were celebrating christian pride day I would be equally if not more put out by it.

Terrlock

I love Sean nos wrote: »

I'd like to take this idea to management in my workplace, but I need some ideas. Do you have any suggestions OP as to what form such a celebration would take?

How about a day celebrating all religions and the worship of God Day.

368100

Terrlock wrote: »

Would you prefer if we had our christian celebrations in the work place?

How about a day at work celebrating christianity and singing praises to the Lord?

Would you be okay with that?

It wouldn't bother me....each to their own.

Timberrrrrrrr

Terrlock wrote: »

Your are correct I wouldn't take pride in work. This is my point.

If there were celebrating christian pride day I would be equally if not more put out by it.

So if.you worked on a project you wouldn't feel that you had done a good job? Is Christianity turning people into robots now?

What about if your child came 1st place in a sporting event or was received an award for something they did?

No pride at all?

Berserker

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So you wouldn't take pride in your work? Wouldn't feel pride if your child won a medal for a sporting event?

What exactly is it that your being forced to do in regards to celebrating pride?

You are thinking of a completely different kind of pride. Self righteous pride is a sin, not the sense of pride that you get from a job well done.

Terrlock

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So if.you worked on a project you wouldn't feel that you had done a good job? Is Christianity turning people into robots now?

What about if your child came 1st place in a sporting event or was received an award for something they did?

No pride at all?

I don't work with Pride, I work with Honor.

If they said we are having a day to honor the LBGT community then I would feel completely different about it.

If I work on a project I do it with Honor.

There is a huge difference between doing things with Honor and then just doing them to have pride.

mordeith

Berserker wrote: »

You are thinking of a completely different kind of pride. Self righteous pride is a sin, not the kind of pride that you get from a job well done.

You would think with all these misinterpretations of 'pride' and 'love your neighbour' that the Bible would have been less ambiguous

Delirium

Terrlock wrote: »

What do christians think of celebrating LBGTQ Pride as part of the work place and having to particapate in it?

https://www.bustle.com/articles/167611-5-ways-to-celebrate-lgbtq-pride-at-work

Many companies in Ireland are adopting this celebration this month.

Are christians just being forced to bare and grin open celbration of sin?

Can we have a day of celebrating of Traditional Man and women relationships?

You do realise that Pride is a stance against shaming, discrimination and violence against LGBT people?

What exactly is so objectionable about to you?

Berserker

mordeith wrote: »

You would think with all these misinterpretations of 'pride' and 'love your neighbour' that the Bible would have been less ambiguous

I think that people are the issue when it comes to misinterpretations, as opposed to the Bible.

368100

In my work some of my colleagues are not taking lunch and leaving an hour early as they are observing ramadan.....they also have meeting rooms booked for their team breaks to pray when we have a severe shortage of meeting room availability.

Does it inconvenience me...yes......do I feel the need to cast judgement on them and have a rant....no.

frag420

Terrlock wrote: »

I don't work with Pride, I work with Honor.

If they said we are having a day to honor the LBGT community then I would feel completely different about it.

If I work on a project I do it with Honor.

There is a huge difference between doing things with Honor and then just doing them to have pride.

Honor? This is not Game of Thrones!?

Is pride the only deadly sin you don't commit or do you deny them all?

jill_valentine

Hands up how many people here get Easter Eggs, Christmas Cards or some themed acknowledgement of Patrick's Day from their employer?

Terrlock

mordeith wrote: »

You would think with all these misinterpretations of 'pride' and 'love your neighbour' that the Bible would have been less ambiguous

I actually use the dictionary definition or Pride.

I feel these days we here so much about Pride, we here very little about honor.

Why do we not see companies showing honor for what they stand for and honor for how they treat all there staff and honor for how they do business.

Take say the HSE - They can say the work with Pride and are celebrating this pride week.

But Can they Say - HSE - We work with Honor.

mordeith

Berserker wrote: »

I think that people are the issue when it comes to misinterpretations, as opposed to the Bible.

Well that's your interpretation.

bee06

Terrlock wrote: »

I just don't want to be forced to participate in any way shape or form in celebrating their life choices when it goes agains't everything I believe in.

However as a christian I feel that pride is a sin. And I wouldn't celebrate pride in any manner no matter what is was for.

Now being asked to celebrate Pride and living a gay lifestyle is something I can't do when I know that would put me against GOD.

We can't we just go to work to work.

How are you being forced to participate? Turn up at a meeting or dress in a rainbow flag and march in a parade?

mordeith

Terrlock wrote: »

There is a huge difference between doing things with Honor and then just doing them to have pride.

Nobody does anything to feel a sense pride about it. If they do a good job they are entitled to feel proud.

Delirium

Terrlock wrote: »

I actually use the dictionary definition or Pride.

I feel these days we here so much about Pride, we here very little about honor.

Why do we not see companies showing honor for what they stand for and honor for how they treat all there staff and honor for how they do business.

Take say the HSE - They can say the work with Pride and are celebrating this pride week.

But Can they Say - HSE - We work with Honor.

LGBT Pride

Gay pride or LGBT pride is the positive stance against discrimination and violence toward lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people to promote their self-affirmation, dignity, equality rights, increase their visibility as a social group, build community, and celebrate sexual diversity and gender variance. Pride, as opposed to shame and social stigma, is the predominant outlook that bolsters most LGBT rights movements throughout the world.

source

Terrlock

Delirium wrote: »

LGBT Pride



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I would be in favour of standing against discrimination and violence towards all people in the work place no matter their sexual orientation, race or gender.

I didn't know that was the definition of gay pride.

So the term pride in this respect does not refer to the english definition of pride?

Why even use the term pride if it doesn't mean pride?

AnneFrank

Celebrating sexuality in work is wrong, gay or straight.

Terrlock

368100 wrote: »

In my work some of my colleagues are not taking lunch and leaving an hour early as they are observing ramadan.....they also have meeting rooms booked for their team breaks to pray when we have a severe shortage of meeting room availability.

Does it inconvenience me...yes......do I feel the need to cast judgement on them and have a rant....no.

That's fine and I understand that.

What if you were told by your manager that you had to go with them to the meeting rooms to pray with them?

368100

Terrlock wrote: »

That's fine and I understand that.

What if you were told by your manager that you had to go with them to the meeting rooms to pray with them?

I don't agree with anybody being forced to do something they're not comfortable with. It's the judgement around gay people as evident in this thread that bothers me.

If it's a problem with gay colleagues celebrating pride and you have an option to participate or not, I don't see why anobody should have an issue. Each to their own, if somebody didn't participate then I wouldn't automatically judge them as homophobic

If it's a forced situation then I agree that it shouldn't be like that and more of an issue against management who set the policy rather than those who choose to celebrate.

freshpopcorn

Terrlock wrote: »

That's fine and I understand that.

What if you were told by your manager that you had to go with them to the meeting rooms to pray with them?

Don't a lot of teacher do that ever day when they say a prayer with their class?

Mancomb Seepgood

I can't see the issue with this. LGBT people had to hide who they were in the workplace for far too long, and in some places they probably still do. It's a mark of a progressive workplace that they mark or refer to Pride in some small way.

I'm a Christian, and I know gay and lesbian Christians for whom Pride is important.They know what it means to them and don't need to consult a dictionary.I'm glad that they and other LGBT people can be open about who they are and if Pride is important to them, I'm happy that it be acknowledged.