Reporting Marriage Fraud Anonymously

JohnFan8595

Does anyone know of a way to report marriage fraud anonymously? Is there any chance it could still lead back to you if I did report it? I know a horrible woman who blatantly married someone to get a green card, last year, and I want to report it.

Also, what evidence would you need to need to go about it? Any help on this mather would be great.

gizmo81

It's not an easy process from what i can gather.

You have to write to the HSE in the region the marriage happened.

JohnFan8595 wrote: »

Does anyone know of a way to report marriage fraud anonymously? Is there any chance it could still lead back to you if I did report it? I know a horrible woman who blatantly married someone to get a green card, last year, and I want to report it.

Also, what evidence would you need to need to go about it? Any help on this mather would be great.

JohnFan8595

ok, and do you need to provide a sufficient amount of evidence? Do I need to tell them who she married? The reason I know it was fraud is because she texted me that day to attend a civil marriage, she wouldn't give me anymore details until I called her about it and she told me she was getting married that day, I asked her if it was for a green card and she reluctantly said yes.

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JohnFan8595

because she told me so. I asked her is she doing for citizenship. Do we not have green cards in Ireland?

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JohnFan8595

no, I know for deffinite she got married for citizenship.

wordofwarning

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Do we call it a greencard? No, but if you marry someone in Ireland, can they reside in Ireland afterwards? Yes.

Are people marrying to reside in Ireland or the EU? Absolutely

http://www.thejournal.ie/sham-marriages-3020346-Oct2016/

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JohnFan8595

its a shame they can get residency so easily. Is it hard to tackle with out sufficient evidence? I want to report it but I want to make the most of the situation by giving as much evidence as possible. Im not sure she will get caught out for it, but I want to at least try.

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JohnFan8595

She didn't phone me to tell me what she was doing it, she was calling me to ask if I could witness a wedding on that day. She was very vague about who's getting married to who in the text. I had to ask her on the phone, if it was her and if she was doing it for citizenship. These are the things you need to know if someone just asks you to witness a wedding.

Are they still together or living separate lives?

wordofwarning

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I don't why you are being so aggressive! You haven't even properly read OPs opening comment, where they mention the marriage was last year.

Now are you coming out with this comment(which is a bit off the wall), telling OP sham marriages don't exist etc etc.

I am wondering where OP said they were going call the person on the wedding day and "TELL them its a sham wedding"? Especially since OP said the marriage happened last year...

JohnFan8595

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im planning to unless there is better way to go about this. Like I said I want to do this anonymously.

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JohnFan8595

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she called me to ask if I could witness her wedding, I asked her then was it for citizenship and she reluctantly answered.

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JohnFan8595

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Really? Are you sure about that? Where can I find more information about this?

wordofwarning

JohnFan8595 wrote: »

she called me to ask if I could witness her wedding, I asked her then was it for citizenship and she reluctantly answered.

I would call the Garda immigration bureau to discuss your concerns. I imagine like reporting all crimes it is anonymous. AFAIK the marriage can still be undone, but it is difficult more difficult than before the marriage occurs.

Certain information on this thread is very American-centric...

gizmo81

The Garda won't want anything to do with it.

The HSE will tell you to write into the head of the section.

It's not an easy process.

stargazer 68

JohnFan8595 wrote: »

Really? Are you sure about that? Where can I find more information about this?

http://hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/marriagesinireland/


You have to give at least 3 months notice to the HSE and provide names and dates of birth for witnesses.

JohnFan8595

wordofwarning wrote: »

I would call the Garda immigration bureau to discuss your concerns. I imagine like reporting all crimes it is anonymous. AFAIK the marriage can still be undone, but it is difficult more difficult than before the marriage occurs.

Certain information on this thread is very American-centric...

Then that explains why she did it at random on the day.

Confused too. You have to give three months notice of intent to marry and give the names of your witnesses 3 months in advance too so how did she ask you to be a witness ON THE DAY?

Why did she ask you if you don't even like her?

You seem to be implying that she is entitled to citizenship because she married him but that isn't the case. It takes years to become an Irish citizen through a process of naturalisation. She doesn't even need to be married to go through this process although granted it is easier to comply with the residency end of things if you are. But you are no longer entitled to citizenship just because you've married an Irish person .

eamonnq

Did you act as witness on the day ?

JohnFan8595

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Confused too. You have to give three months notice of intent to marry and give the names of your witnesses 3 months in advance too so how did she ask you to be a witness ON THE DAY?

Why did she ask you if you don't even like her?

You seem to be implying that she is entitled to citizenship because she married him but that isn't the case. It takes years to become an Irish citizen through a process of naturalisation. She doesn't even need to be married to go through this process although granted it is easier to comply with the residency end of things if you are. But you are no longer entitled to citizenship just because you've married an Irish person .

She doesn't know I don't like her, she just assumed I'm stupid enough to do so. She's a manipulative awfull person.. but thats another story. Do you think she may have got an 'an under the table agreement' in order to get married and get a witness on the day? If so then maybe her marriage is illegal.

Believe it or not all this information is very helpful. I appreciate it.

JohnFan8595

JohnFan8595 wrote: »

She doesn't know I don't like her, she just assumed I'm stupid enough to do so. She's a manipulative awfull person.. but thats another story. Do you think she may have got an 'an under the table agreement' in order to get married and get a witness on the day? If so then maybe her marriage is illegal.

Believe it or not all this information is very helpful. I appreciate it.

I have never heard of that happening.

pilly

I think OP that you're being spiteful here because this woman has pissed you off in some way. If you're not being spiteful then go to the GNIB and have the courage of your convictions.

If I'm honest you should have called them on the day that she told you she was doing it for citizenship. Why only now?

JohnFan8595

just confused on why she asked me on the day to witness a wedding if she wasnt able to. Only thing I can think of is she did this illegally.

pilly

JohnFan8595 wrote: »

just confused on why she asked me on the day to witness a wedding if she wasnt able to. Only thing I can think of is she did this illegally.

Or she was winding you up.

JohnFan8595

pilly wrote: »

I think OP that you're being spiteful here because this woman has pissed you off in some way. If you're not being spiteful then go to the GNIB and have the courage of your convictions.

If I'm honest you should have called them on the day that she told you she was doing it for citizenship. Why only now?

Im not being spiteful. Just because I dont like her doesnt mean I have my own motives. Im doing this because Im against marriage fraud highely and I dont like to see people taken advantage of, which is something I know about her as a person! The fact she is not a nice person does make it easier for me to do this, but im strictly doing this because of my stance on marriage fraud.

Also as people said before, GNIB wont do anything to tackle this situation.

stargazer 68

JohnFan8595 wrote: »

Im not being spiteful. Just because I dont like her doesnt mean I have my own motives. Im doing this because Im against marriage fraud highely and I dont like to see people taken advantage of, which is something I know about her as a person! The fact she is not a nice person does make it easier for me to do this, but im strictly doing this because of my stance on marriage fraud.

Also as people said before, GNIB wont do anything to tackle this situation.

Well why not do it at the time rather than a year later?
Anyway you are going to need a lot more evidence than 'she told me' I would imagine.

Well like I said, she isn't entitled to citizenship just because she married him. She will be going through the naturalisation process which takes a number of years and she'll have boxes to tick.

If you're just against the idea of a disingenuous marriage (of which I'm sure there are many out there for many reasons) and you don't like the idea of her new husband being taken advantage of, why not just approach him and tell him what she said to you. He can do with that information what he likes then.

You seem to greatly dislike this woman so I don't know why you're so concerned with any of this getting back her.

pilly

JohnFan8595 wrote:

Im not being spiteful. Just because I dont like her doesnt mean I have my own motives. Im doing this because Im against marriage fraud highely and I dont like to see people taken advantage of, which is something I know about her as a person! The fact she is not a nice person does make it easier for me to do this, but im strictly doing this because of my stance on marriage fraud.

So why didn't you do something at the time?

JohnFan8595

Dovies wrote: »

Well why not do it at the time rather than a year later?
Anyway you are going to need a lot more evidence than 'she told me' I would imagine.

I didnt have alot of spare time and I was afraid to go about it. I hated her long before she did it. As people said, its hard to tackle these situations even if it is marriage fraud. I was still unsure about doing it anonymously as I thaught it might still get back to me. To behonest, I just want as much information on the practicallities of how people go about this. If it doesnt work out then I wont let it bother me again.

Thanks everybody for your help, you gave me information I never knew before. Such as the requirement to give 3 months notice. If I have any other questions Ill come back to this thread to ask. Any other advice would be great of course.

JohnFan8595

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Confused too. You have to give three months notice of intent to marry and give the names of your witnesses 3 months in advance too so how did she ask you to be a witness ON THE DAY?

Why did she ask you if you don't even like her?

You seem to be implying that she is entitled to citizenship because she married him but that isn't the case. It takes years to become an Irish citizen through a process of naturalisation. She doesn't even need to be married to go through this process although granted it is easier to comply with the residency end of things if you are. But you are no longer entitled to citizenship just because you've married an Irish person .

What if she got married and is separated from her husband, does it still make it easier for her to comply with residency? If it doesn't then its still wrong.

listermint

The HSE issues Marriage licenses to the prospective couples. All couples have to get this license the process can be very grilling for couples and they get questioned seperately should they feel the need to investigate a bit more into an application.

Office for dublin is based in Lombard Street and the addresses for regional offices around the country are here.

http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/contactus/

If you feel the need to report it then do so. Yes they do take these things seriously and will not issue a marriage license where there is suspicion.

allthedoyles

It take 2 to tango . so the other half in this would need to be investigated too. Possible fraud

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JohnFan8595

listermint wrote: »

The HSE issues Marriage licenses to the prospective couples. All couples have to get this license the process can be very grilling for couples and they get questioned seperately should they feel the need to investigate a bit more into an application.

Office for dublin is based in Lombard Street and the addresses for regional offices around the country are here.

http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/contactus/

If you feel the need to report it then do so. Yes they do take these things seriously and will not issue a marriage license where there is suspicion.

Thanks Listermint. I appreciate it it.

JohnFan8595

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No and Yes

RocketRaccoon

JohnFan.... Are you involved in this marriage by any chance?

PhoenixParker

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You apply for the marriage license three months in advance and give details of witnesses you intend to use then, however that means little.

There's no verification of their identities at that point, thy aren't contacted, and you can change the witnesses on the day of. Witnesses can be random strangers off the street on the day, they just need to have ID. Their purpose is like witnessing the signing of any legal document, to be able to attest that it happened and that nobody appeared under any duress.

They're not there to validate that the parties are in love or that it's not a sham marriage.

CalamariFritti

In other words I want to mess with someone's life but I want to do it on the sneak. From a safe distance.

Nice

abaddon_ire

JohnFan8595 wrote: »

I didnt have alot of spare time and I was afraid to go about it. I hated her long before she did it. As people said, its hard to tackle these situations even if it is marriage fraud. I was still unsure about doing it anonymously as I thaught it might still get back to me. To behonest, I just want as much information on the practicallities of how people go about this. If it doesnt work out then I wont let it bother me again.

Thanks everybody for your help, you gave me information I never knew before. Such as the requirement to give 3 months notice. If I have any other questions Ill come back to this thread to ask. Any other advice would be great of course.

Some thoughts.

You can go to the guards. They will need your personal info, but you remain an anonymous complainant. Until you give a formal statement signed on the spot by both you and the guard in both your presences at the same time. At that point you are no longer anonymous. This is why you will hear in news stories "a witness, who was unwilling to give a statement" and similar. The Gardai cannot compel you to make a formal statement. Not even were you to be perpetrator of some crime.

As regards taking a whole damn year to even think about coming forwards, this is totally commonplace. Sometimes people sit and wrestle with a will I/won't I dilemma of some form for far longer. The larger issue is that human memory is fallible. The longer the elapsed time, the more doubt can be cast on your claim. To put an example on it, I witnessed a hit-and-run years ago. When the time came to make a formal statement, I had it down perfectly from memory, right down to what the victim was wearing at the time.

Except for one thing, I remembered the offending car being red. It was actually green. And that was with an interval of a mere 4 months from incident to statement.

JohnFan8595

CalamariFritti wrote: »

In other words I want to mess with someone's life but I want to do it on the sneak. From a safe distance.

Nice

Stupid comment. You're obviously against the laws against marriage fraud. Yeah, maybe I am being sneaky, its why I want to report this anonymously. Incase she gets away with fraud and decides to accuse me of defamation of character.

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JohnFan8595

PhoenixParker wrote: »

You apply for the marriage license three months in advance and give details of witnesses you intend to use then, however that means little.

There's no verification of their identities at that point, thy aren't contacted, and you can change the witnesses on the day of. Witnesses can be random strangers off the street on the day, they just need to have ID. Their purpose is like witnessing the signing of any legal document, to be able to attest that it happened and that nobody appeared under any duress.

They're not there to validate that the parties are in love or that it's not a sham marriage.

That is terrible! They shouldnt be allowed just pick up random witnesses! Where are you getting this information from?

JohnFan8595

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I explained this in a previous post! Seriously, why am I being victimised for trying to get general information on a subject mather? Why do people care about my agenda? I know somebody who broke the law and I wish to report it!