GGG V Canelo - Sept 16th( See First post for Info on How to Watch)

Johner

PPV for everyone apart from Boxnation subscribers. Former subscribers now getting Boxnation on BT will have to buy this fight.

http://www.boxnation.com/canelo-ggg/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxz1QwZTx0

Billy Joe Saunders embarrassing himself as usual at the press conference yesterday, GGG and Canelo were looking at him wondering who he is!

I am very confident Canelo beats GGG on points.

Sweet Science

Didnt know the height difference would be so big . GGG was towering over him yesterday.

grimeire

I would definitely be leaning towards GGG over canelo.

Burial.

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I'd really like to see Canelo winning this. He's getting more impressive as a boxer with every fight, the difference between him now and the young pup who fought Mayweather is astounding. I think Golovkin's open come forward style could suit his combination/counter punch style.

I've never been too impressed by Golovkin although he's undoubtedly a fine fighter. He didn't look particularly great against Jacobs and Kell Brook had a decent amount of joy too early on. The rest of his wins are against a lot of so so fighters. Canelo would appear to be near prime if not in it right now while at 35 you'd assume Golovkin is past his best days. I'd give Canelo every chance of winning, but like Ward/Kovalev the freak power puncher has every chance.

Going to be a cracking fight though, two lads not afraid to throw.

Morrison J

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Burial. wrote: »

Going to be a cracking fight though, two lads not afraid to throw.

Give it a couple of rounds and Canelo will be. I can't see past a GGG KO here.

ThunderCat

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Huge credit to GGG if he gets Canelo out of there as it is a near prime Canelo we are talking about. Should be a cracking fight.

normanoffside

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Looks like BJS is fighting LeMieux the same night.

megadodge

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Morrison J wrote: »

Give it a couple of rounds and Canelo will be. I can't see past a GGG KO here.

What is it about Canelo that makes you think he's the type of boxer that will suffer an early KO loss?

Burial.

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Canelo showed he might be a little shaky chin wise in an old fight of his but if Danny Jacobs can survive Golovkin then Canelo can too.

Burial.

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Canelo will definitely have to go down the box and move approach I feel, something he's getting a more proficient in. Golovkin seems to have a chin like a concrete block, but he's easily hit and doesn't seem to mind that anyway. If Canelo can fire combinations and get out which he seems to be able to do then he could have joy. Doing that on the backfoot for 12 against a mule like Golovkin is tough going though, especially when Canelo isn't a stamina machine although moving up in weight has helped a bunch. Fascinating fight, respect to both. It does seem recent match-ups between 1s and 2s of the divisions has given inspiration for everyone to show their worth. Cherry picking is becoming a lot less common. Great to see.

walshb

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I am really starting to edge towards Canelo now. His blend of punching and chin and underrated defense may surprise us all. He gets punches off smoother than GGG. It could be a case for as many rds as it goes where Canelo is starting and finishing the exchanges more successfully. Using constant subtle movement to never allow GGG get set to unleash his best.

walshb

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Where Canelo needs to work on up to this fight is his body. I have a feeling that GGG head shots won't beat Canelo, but if GGG can dig in hard and clean to Canelo's body he could really do damage. So, Canelo using his upper body to protect it and using his feet to constantly be a moving target is his key. Those wide hard hooks off both wings around Canelo's sides is where Canelo needs to protect.

Johner

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Anyone thinking of going?

walshb

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pac_man wrote: »

I agree with the bodywork.He just smiles at you like a freak when he gets hit on the head and he's been in with bigger punchers than Canelo. Thought there was a couple of glimpses of vulnerability in the Jacobs fight, that he didn't like getting hit to the body.

I think you misinterpreted me. I meant that Canelo needs to work on his own body in the sense of protecting himself. GGG being given time and space to dig hard to Canelo's body could be his best area to win the fight.

hbhook

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Do you think BT/BoxNation will offer this to the regular cable customer? Eddie Hearn's most recent interview with iFL tv is interesting as usual. He reckons it'll do between 100,000 and 150,000 buys in the UK.

walshb

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pac_man wrote: »

I did misinterpret it. Both fighters best areas for hurtful punches is to the body. Both seem to have a good ability in taking a punch Can't recall him ever been hurt or wobbled? Mayweather had him on the ropes at one stage but it was more of a case of Canelo being tired.

I'd agree that both fighters likely to be more hurt to the body. I think Canelo even more so because GGG for me digs harder to the body, as well as having a harder dig.

Morrison J

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megadodge wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

Give it a couple of rounds and Canelo will be. I can't see past a GGG KO here.

What is it about Canelo that makes you think he's the type of boxer that will suffer an early KO loss?

My main reason would be his feet. He moves like he's underwater. GGG is tremendous at cutting the ring off and will constantly be on top of him. I'm not expecting a clean KO, more likely a stoppage with Canelo against the ropes taking a beating. Not saying it'll be early. Probably mid to late with Canelo taking a lot of punishment from the opening bell. This is a horrendous matchup for him.

Morrison J

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pac_man wrote: »

walshb wrote: »

I think you misinterpreted me. I meant that Canelo needs to work on his own body in the sense of protecting himself. GGG being given time and space to dig hard to Canelo's body could be his best area to win the fight.

I did misinterpret it. Both fighters best areas for hurtful punches is to the body. Both seem to have a good ability in taking a punch Can't recall him ever been hurt or wobbled? Mayweather had him on the ropes at one stage but it was more of a case of Canelo being tired.

Jose Miguel Cotto had Canelo wobbled big time.

hbhook

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GGG can take a shot to the kisser anyway. I haven't seen Alvarez hurt in a long while.

SHOVELLER

Tickets on sale tomorrow afternoon here. Cheapest ticket is $300 plus taxes which is the same as the airfare to Vegas!

Gonna try and get 2 anyway.

GGG favourite and rightly so. More experienced, bigger, better stamina and used to this weight. His last fight was against a decent opponent while Canelo's was against a joke.

Still though never seen Canelo live so looking forward to this and GGG saying it could be his last fight although who really believes that!

HigginsJ

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I was watching GGG & Canelo on ESPN 1st take & am somewhat surprised that Canelo does not speak English. Is he capable and just not comfortable on camera or is it something he has not bothered with.

I know this is a somewhat ridiculous slight against a fighter but you would think it would be something that Oscar would want him do in an effort to build his profile/marketability even more. Oscar ended up translating for Canelo but I got the feeling that we were only getting a tiny bit of the message.

Burial.

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Canelo always appeared rather mysterious to me. Obviously the language barrier is one but he just comes across as a bit of a robot.

walshb

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HigginsJ wrote: »

I was watching GGG & Canelo on ESPN 1st take & am somewhat surprised that Canelo does not speak English. Is he capable and just not comfortable on camera or is it something he has not bothered with.

I know this is a somewhat ridiculous slight against a fighter but you would think it would be something that Oscar would want him do in an effort to build his profile/marketability even more. Oscar ended up translating for Canelo but I got the feeling that we were only getting a tiny bit of the message.

Don't say that here....you will be swamped with examples of other greats who never spoke English.

I agree, 21st bloody century, speak the language of the world!

walshb

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Morrison J wrote: »

Jose Miguel Cotto had Canelo wobbled big time.

I watched parts of that fight so maybe I missed this?

Can you elaborate on the rd(s) maybe so that I can take a look...

Save me sitting through the whole fight.

walshb

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pac_man wrote: »

1st round.

Had forgotten about that...

I immediately thought of Miguel Cotto.

In fairness the shot was a peach and Canelo was high in the air slightly leaning back. He could only be staggered/wobbled from it. His recovery was excellent.

Alvarez was a pup then....

HigginsJ

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walshb wrote: »

I watched parts of that fight so maybe I missed this?

Can you elaborate on the rd(s) maybe so that I can take a look...

Save me sitting through the whole fight.

pac_man wrote: »

1st round.

He really was wobbled but did recover pretty well. Genuine question, how relevant is it that Canelo would be wobbled with a clean shot 7 years ago? I'm not a boxer so can you improve your punch resistance or is it what it is? Obviously you can improve your defense.

HigginsJ

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walshb wrote: »

I immediately thought of Miguel Cotto.
.

I just went and watched the 1st round of the Miguel Cotto fight, was thinking pac_man's definition of being wobbled was vastly different to mine as there was nothing in it. Luckily I cottoned on before posting, just.....

hbhook

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HigginsJ wrote: »

He really was wobbled but did recover pretty well. Genuine question, how relevant is it that Canelo would be wobbled with a clean shot 7 years ago? I'm not a boxer so can you improve your punch resistance or is it what it is? Obviously you can improve your defense.

It's not relevant. Steven 'Breadman' Edwards posted a really good reply to your last question a few weeks ago on BoxingScene. I'll try to find it.

hbhook

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hbhook wrote: »

It's not relevant. Steven 'Breadman' Edwards posted a really good reply to your last question a few weeks ago on BoxingScene. I'll try to find it.

http://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-pacquiao-khan-broner-ward-spence-brook--113959
second question/reply

HigginsJ

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hbhook wrote: »

http://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-pacquiao-khan-broner-ward-spence-brook--113959
second question/reply

That was a really good piece, thanks for putting that up.

hbhook

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HigginsJ wrote: »

That was a really good piece, thanks for putting that up.

Aye. I only just copped recently that he trains Julian Williams. Don't know who else.

Sweet Science

Anybody know if this is HBO or showtime . and for us is it sky or boxnation ?

Burial.

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Sweet Science wrote: »

Anybody know if this is HBO or showtime . and for us is it sky or boxnation ?

HBO/Boxnation

HigginsJ

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Sweet Science wrote: »

Anybody know if this is HBO or showtime . and for us is it sky or boxnation ?

Box Nation

Sweet Science

Burial. wrote: »

HBO/Boxnation

Cheers man .

walshb

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The article saying Tyson had a lack of toughness is flat out wrong..you had to beat Mike to a standstill to get rid of him. If that is not toughness then what is. Excellent chin and tough as nails. Lacked a bit of discipline here and there, but did not lack toughness.

megadodge

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Morrison J wrote: »

Jose Miguel Cotto had Canelo wobbled big time.

I thought we put this to bed years ago. Maybe you weren't posting on the site at the time.

Either way, Alvarez was NOT "wobbled big time", in the sense of being really hurt. The exaggeration of that incident didn't last long and I never thought it would be used against him again.

If you ever notice highlight reel KOs, an awful lot of them are 'double power' KOs. What I mean is similar to car A crashing at 30mph into a tree, the impact is 30mph. However, car A crashing into car B with both doing 30mph has an impact of 60mph. When a boxer throws a left hook and is hit by a left hook that lands marginally before his he is moving into the punch and the impact is doubled. That's exactly what happened Canelo v Cotto. Cotto's hook landed just before Canelo's hook/uppercut would have - and he still didn't go down!! He even took a number of quick flush punches as Cotto tried to finish it and they didn't obviously bother him and he was blocking and slipping the remaining followup punches within a few seconds.

I firmly believe that incident actually showed how good his chin was rather than the opposite.

walshb

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Spot on mega. And he was firing back within seconds whilst still taking clean shots. Excellent chin and composure.

megadodge

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Morrison J wrote: »

My main reason would be his feet. He moves like he's underwater. GGG is tremendous at cutting the ring off and will constantly be on top of him. I'm not expecting a clean KO, more likely a stoppage with Canelo against the ropes taking a beating. Not saying it'll be early. Probably mid to late with Canelo taking a lot of punishment from the opening bell. This is a horrendous matchup for him.

I'm not saying Canelo is definitely going to win, but one of the reasons I think he'll do well is because this is a good style matchup for him.

The likes of Lara is a bad style for Alvarez as his slow feet mean constant difficulty getting into position. If Lara was a bit more positive in that fight he would have won it, instead he shamelessly ran and lost a fight he could have won. That won't be the case with Golovkin.

GGG will come straight at him, which is a dream come true for Canelo. He is possibly the best combination counter puncher in the game. He is extremely accurate and GGG's defense is well below average, meaning GGG is going to be hit - a lot. And I don't care how good his chin is, after a while on the receiving end of consistent hard punches he won't be quite so gung-ho to walk straight at Canelo. This could give Canelo the breaks in action he seems to need to fight at a less taxing pace, which negates the one worry I have, which is workrate.

Morrison J

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megadodge wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

My main reason would be his feet. He moves like he's underwater. GGG is tremendous at cutting the ring off and will constantly be on top of him. I'm not expecting a clean KO, more likely a stoppage with Canelo against the ropes taking a beating. Not saying it'll be early. Probably mid to late with Canelo taking a lot of punishment from the opening bell. This is a horrendous matchup for him.

I'm not saying Canelo is definitely going to win, but one of the reasons I think he'll do well is because this is a good style matchup for him.

The likes of Lara is a bad style for Alvarez as his slow feet mean constant difficulty getting into position. If Lara was a bit more positive in that fight he would have won it, instead he shamelessly ran and lost a fight he could have won. That won't be the case with Golovkin.

GGG will come straight at him, which is a dream come true for Canelo. He is possibly the best combination counter puncher in the game. He is extremely accurate and GGG's defense is well below average, meaning GGG is going to be hit - a lot. And I don't care how good his chin is, after a while on the receiving end of consistent hard punches he won't be quite so gung-ho to walk straight at Canelo. This could give Canelo the breaks in action he seems to need to fight at a less taxing pace, which negates the one worry I have, which is workrate.

I think you've got the outcome the wrong way around tbh. If you think Canelo is going to throw his usual flashy combination punches I think you're well off. It'll be Canelo who'll be the gun shy one after he gets a sense of GGG's power.

Anyone who stands in front of GGG gets blasted out of there. Why should Canelo be any different? You're being very optimistic if you think Canelo will like it up close with GGG and is going to take his power and light him up with counter punches. I'll take GGG over any middleweight in the pocket.

People are getting badly fooled by the Jacobs fight imo. He's two inches taller than GGG, had a big reach advantage and has far more power, hand speed and better movement than Canelo. Jacobs was absolutely massive in there. A more difficult stylistic matchup for Golovkin compared to the smaller Canelo.

Canelo's power is massively overrated imo. Couldn't get a tiny Miguel Cotto out of there. Chavez Jr took punishment for 12 rounds yet you don't believe the iron chinned GGG can?

At what point did everyone start giving Canelo such a good chance in this fight? Nobody did a couple of years ago. Canelo has fought Khan, Liam Smith and the skeleton of Chavez Jr since. GGG has fought Brook and Jacobs, two good movers and polar opposite fighters to Canelo.

I may get egg on my face come fight night but I really don't think I will. Really struggling to understand what people picking Canelo are seeing.

Morrison J

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megadodge wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

Jose Miguel Cotto had Canelo wobbled big time.

I thought we put this to bed years ago. Maybe you weren't posting on the site at the time.

Either way, Alvarez was NOT "wobbled big time", in the sense of being really hurt. The exaggeration of that incident didn't last long and I never thought it would be used against him again.

If you ever notice highlight reel KOs, an awful lot of them are 'double power' KOs. What I mean is similar to car A crashing at 30mph into a tree, the impact is 30mph. However, car A crashing into car B with both doing 30mph has an impact of 60mph. When a boxer throws a left hook and is hit by a left hook that lands marginally before his he is moving into the punch and the impact is doubled. That's exactly what happened Canelo v Cotto. Cotto's hook landed just before Canelo's hook/uppercut would have - and he still didn't go down!! He even took a number of quick flush punches as Cotto tried to finish it and they didn't obviously bother him and he was blocking and slipping the remaining followup punches within a few seconds.

I firmly believe that incident actually showed how good his chin was rather than the opposite.

Maybe so. I wasn't using it as a stick to beat Canelo with tbh. Just using it as an example of a time he was wobbled, which he definitely was. I do rate his chin.

walshb

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The Brook fight swayed me, and others I'd imagine. And rightly so..

GGG is not much bigger than Canelo, and for me Canelo presents more problems and more substance on offence than Brook. I also think that Canelo is underrated in the cute/slick/ring generalship sense. He's a very smart and intelligent fighter on offence and defense.

If he fights well he has to present GGG with problems. Sure, GGG could blast him away. GGG hits hard and if he connects clean he could end this.

Intriguing match. I just have a feeling my that Canelo will adapt better and will figure out more ways to both win on offence and defence.

Burial.

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Nice posts megadodge

Morrison J

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walshb wrote: »

The Brook fight swayed me, and others I'd imagine. And rightly so..

I think that's the problem for me. You're using a fight in which GGG came up against a fighter with superior hand speed and good movement as a reason to pick Canelo who doesn't possess either of those traits. Where's the logic in that?

I honestly do believe GGG didn't feel any of Brook's power in that fight and was happy to walk through his punches and take some to give some. Made him look bad at times. Again, won't be the same against Canelo.

walshb wrote: »

GGG is not much bigger than Canelo

There's a decent size difference. The head to head at the London press conference showed it. GGG the clear bigger man. More of a difference than I expected to be honest.

walshb wrote: »

I just have a feeling my that Canelo will adapt better and will figure out more ways to both win on offence and defence.

Where's the substance though? How does Canelo do it exactly? What does he do defensively to keep GGG off him? He can't run like Brook/Jacobs did.

walshb

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You don't have to run to defend..

Canelo is not grease lightning, but he puts together altogether better combinations than Brook. Harder, more sustained, more varied and yes, as quick. And IMO faster hands and combinations than GGG. As I said earlier I feel he will be starting and finishing the exchanges better than GGG.

Morrison J

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walshb wrote: »

You don't have to run to defend..

Canelo is not grease lightning, but he puts together altogether better combinations than Brook. Harder, more sustained, more varied and yes, as quick. And IMO faster hands and combinations than GGG. As I said earlier I feel he will be starting and finishing the exchanges better than GGG.

I don't disagree that he can win exchanges. I think he probably will do early. It's doing it for 12 rounds against the P4P hardest hitting boxer in the sport that I have a problem getting my head around.

So you think Canelo can be the first fighter to consistently exchange in the pocket with GGG and make it through 12 rounds? You're fully entitled to your opinion but that's slightly bonkers to my mind.

SHOVELLER

Trying all day to get the $300 tickets but no luck. Rang the credit card number and the cheapest tickets right now are $1500.

So 4 ticket categories are gone: $300, $500, $850 and $1000:(

Very disappointed.

walshb

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Morrison J wrote: »

I don't disagree that he can win exchanges. I think he probably will do early. It's doing it for 12 rounds against the P4P hardest hitting boxer in the sport that I have a problem getting my head around.

So you think Canelo can be the first fighter to consistently exchange in the pocket with GGG and make it through 12 rounds? You're fully entitled to your opinion but that's slightly bonkers to my mind.

He does not have to be in the pocket too long..here and there here and there.

And are you maybe overestimating GGGs capacity to eat punches? Canelo has heavy enough hands. Add this to his accuracy and I think GGG may not be so eager to engage for the sake of it.

walshb

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SHOVELLER wrote: »

Trying all day to get the $300 tickets but no luck. Rang the credit card number and the cheapest tickets right now are $1500.

So 4 ticket categories are gone: $300, $500, $850 and $1000:(

Very disappointed.

Push the boat out. You know you want to.

Morrison J

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walshb wrote: »

Morrison J wrote: »

I don't disagree that he can win exchanges. I think he probably will do early. It's doing it for 12 rounds against the P4P hardest hitting boxer in the sport that I have a problem getting my head around.

So you think Canelo can be the first fighter to consistently exchange in the pocket with GGG and make it through 12 rounds? You're fully entitled to your opinion but that's slightly bonkers to my mind.

He does not have to be in the pocket too long..here and there here and there.

And are you maybe overestimating GGGs capacity to eat punches? Canelo has heavy enough hands. Add this to his accuracy and I think GGG may not be so eager to engage for the sake of it.

But my point is that he doesn't have the footwork/speed to dictate that. GGG will be on top of him, making the ring small and Canelo won't have the legs to escape like Jacobs did. As the fight goes deeper and Canelo tires it's only going to become more pronounced.

Canelo's power is overrated enough as it is imo but now he's fighting a fully fledged middleweight I think it gets shown up further. If GGG doesn't like the power I think he can still fight like he did against Lemieux and win behind the jab. There are a number of tools in his arsenal that he can use to win imo.

But let's not forget who the puncher in this fight is, it's GGG. Exchanging in close suits the puncher. Eventually he's going to hurt Canelo and Canelo is going to become reluctant to throw and shell up which is where GGG takes over. Why the narrative being spun on here is that GGG will be the one to become reluctant I'm not too sure.

hbhook

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Wanna know how Canelo v GGG goes? Alvarez likes to go to the ropes yes? He gets pulverized. Center of the ring....pulverized......gassed and pulverized.