Russia threatens to shoot down US warplanes (Syria!)

Cheerful Spring

This was bound to happen eventually. Got major powers squaring off against other for year's. If you are religious and i am not really, but it's interesting and frightening Syria is where "Revelation" supposedly happens. And can't deny Syria is a mess right now! Russia has warned the US-led coalition fighting in Syria that it will view its aircraft as targets, after a Syrian military plane was shot down.

Russia has threatened to shoot down US warplanes operating in parts of Syria where its air forces operate amid a diplomatic row caused by the downing of a Syrian jet.

The country's defence ministry said it had suspended a hotline between Russia and the US aimed at avoiding mid-air collisions.

The statement followed after a US warplane shot down a Syrian army jet on Sunday in the countryside near Raqqa.

Washington said the jet had dropped bombs near US-backed forces but Damascus said the plane was downed while flying a mission against Isis militants.

Russia's Defence Ministry said the suspension of its communication channel with the Americans would begin immediately.

The US did not use its communication channel with Russia ahead of the downing of the Syrian government warplane, the ministry was quoted as saying, accusing the US of a "deliberate failure to make good on its commitments" under the de-confliction deal.

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/russia-vows-to-shoot-down-all-flying-objects-in-syria-after-us-guns-down-first-regime-warplane/ar-BBCS2kq?li=BBr5MK2&ocid=mailsignout

Canis Lupus

Mcdonalds in Australia has a chicken big mac.

ArchXStanton

Good,doing the world a favour..

Resist ZOG

"When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come.” I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth."

Revelations 6:7-8

Gentleman, it has been a privilege to know you.

topper75

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If you are religious and i am not really, but it's interesting and frightening Syria is where "Revelation" supposedly happens. And can't deny Syria is a mess right now!

A prophesy for 2000 years hence ha ha!

Tits on a bulll mate. A complete chocolate teapot.

Don't suppose though the book has the winner of the 4.30 in Chepstow in the year 4017?

Yours expectantly,

Maximus Alexander

During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.

The_Valeyard

They wont. It's all bluster. Despite all the Russian rhetoric and big boy on the block attitude, in reality the Russian military could not take on the US and win. They could only draw with the use of Nukes. Putin is all about staying in power, he wont jeopardise that.

begbysback

Doesn't really matter now that pool have signed Salah and will get Aubameyang

ArchXStanton

The_Valeyard wrote: »

They wont. It's all bluster. Despite all the Russian rhetoric and big boy on the block attitude, in reality the Russian military could not take on the US and win. They could only draw with the use of Nukes. Putin is all about staying in power, he wont jeopardise that.

They couldn't even beat rice farmers in Vietnam...

the_syco

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Washington said the jet had dropped bombs near US-backed forces but Damascus said the plane was downed while flying a mission against Isis militants.

In fairness, Damascus says that anything not pro-Damascus = ISIS.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

in reality the Russian military could not take on the US and win.

Some of the Russian fighters are nice. Could see it happening.

Atoms for Peace

Yet their Redeemer is strong; the LORD Almighty is his name. He will vigorously defend their cause so that he may bring rest to their land, but unrest to those who live in Babylon.
-Jeremiah 50:34

Hande hoche!

On the plus side, the SDF and Syrian Army seem to be giving ISIS a good beating.

Skylinehead

the_syco wrote: »

Some of the Russian fighters are nice. Could see it happening.

Not in any appreciable quantity.

Hande hoche!

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Mcdonalds in Australia has a chicken big mac.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o8GzMe0r0E

begbysback

That looks suspiciously like a double Mc chicken sandwich to me

Cheerful Spring

topper75 wrote: »

A prophesy for 2000 years hence ha ha!

Tits on a bulll mate. A complete chocolate teapot.

Don't suppose though the book has the winner of the 4.30 in Chepstow in the year 4017?

Yours expectantly,

This the part i found interesting, in light of whats happening right now in Syria. This has not happened during our history yet.

“’See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins. The cities of Aroer will be deserted and left to flocks, which will lie down, with no one to make them afraid. The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim, and royal power from Damascus; the remnant of Aram will be ike the glory of the Israelites,’ declares the Lord Almighty.”
this is the sign of Armaggeddon

Ezekiel also wrote the end of days will occur when Russia and Iran form an alliance and attack Israel and it's allies. Today Russian- Iran have a military alliance and are attacking the opposition by the way Isreal and it's allies support. It could all be just coincidence? I would not laugh though when the Russian military threatens the United States with military action. That's serious stuff happening right now in Syria.

howamidifferent

Interesting stuff even if not religious.

endacl

begbysback wrote: »

That looks suspiciously like a double Mc chicken sandwich to me

There's no mention of chickens in revelations. That yoke is a fake.

Cheerful Spring

The_Valeyard wrote: »

They wont. It's all bluster. Despite all the Russian rhetoric and big boy on the block attitude, in reality the Russian military could not take on the US and win. They could only draw with the use of Nukes. Putin is all about staying in power, he wont jeopardise that.

It not just a threat, they are locking down no go areas for Coalition planes.

They have said this: Any American aircraft flying west of the Euphrates River in Syria will be treated as legitimate targets in the wake of the U.S. shooting down a Syrian aircraft over the weekend.

Any aircraft, including planes and drones belonging to the international coalition operating west of the Euphrates river, will be tracked by Russian anti-aircraft forces in the sky and on the ground and treated as targets,” the Russian defense ministry said in an official statement Monday, as reported by the BBC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_on_the_Euphrates_River

That's not a small area we talking about. If Coalition forces has a plane in that area, will Russia engage it?

The_Valeyard

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

It not just a threat, they are locking down no go areas for Coalition planes.

They have said this: Any American aircraft flying west of the Euphrates River in Syria will be treated as legitimate targets in the wake of the U.S. shooting down a Syrian aircraft over the weekend.

Any aircraft, including planes and drones belonging to the international coalition operating west of the Euphrates river, will be tracked by Russian anti-aircraft forces in the sky and on the ground and treated as targets,” the Russian defense ministry said in an official statement Monday, as reported by the BBC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_towns_on_the_Euphrates_River

That's not a small area we talking about. If Coalition forces has a plane in that area, will Russia engage it?

If Russia shoots down a US plane,

Assad will find another airbase in ruins

Cheerful Spring

The_Valeyard wrote: »

If Russia shoots down a US plane,

Assad will find another airbase in ruins

The Red line area- Russia is locking this down ( Most of Syria is West of the Euphrates) Any Coalition plane flying in that area potentially can be shot down! It's serious stuff, if trump and hes military ignore the warning?

Maximus Alexander

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

If Coalition forces has a plane in that area, will Russia engage it?

No.

begbysback

endacl wrote: »

There's no mention of chickens in revelations. That yoke is a fake.

Noah's Ark - 2 chickens were on board

Galwayguy35

Surely Russia can't match the Americans military firepower?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The US did not use its communication channel with Russia ahead of the downing of the Syrian government warplane, the ministry was quoted as saying, accusing the US of a "deliberate failure to make good on its commitments" under the de-confliction deal.

BS they were warned multiple times not to approach forces on the ground where warnings shots were fired by US forces ,they a fighter jet was sent to attack positions despite warning not too ,

Russia will not shoot down any American aircraft in the region ,if they do they will see massive retailiatons against their​ aircraft in Syria

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

BS they were warned multiple times not to approach forces on the ground where warnings shots were fired by US forces ,they a fighter jet was sent to attack positions despite warning not too ,

Russia will not shoot down any American aircraft in the region ,if they do they will see massive retailiatons against their​ aircraft in Syria

SDF are engaged in a war with the Syrian Government. America has no right to be shooting at Syrian government airplanes. America is involving itself in a war again. Are they there to fight Isis? Or is the real goal to provide air cover for opposition forces?

Gatling

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Surely Russia can't match the Americans military firepower?

Russia has around 65 aircraft in the region and another 30 + helicopters ,

America has around 400 at it's immediate disposal not including several thousand aircraft belonging to its allies in the ME region ,

It's a simple case of shooting fish in a barrel

seiphil

The US need to keep out of whats going on in Syria.

The Russians, Syrian Army and Hezbollah are the only ones really having an affect against ISIS. You can see that by the area's they have taken back.

The US have launched more attacks against the Syrian Army than ISIS.

And regarding the US V Russia thing don't see that going down. Nobody "Wins" in that one as both would suffer massive loses.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

SDF are engaged in a war with the Syrian Government. America has no right to be shooting at Syrian government airplanes. America is involving itself in a war again. Are they there to fight Isis? Or is the real goal to provide air cover for opposition forces?

Who do you think is fighting Isis on the ground ,

It's certainly not assad and putin ,

For the second time in a few weeks forces on the ground were targeted and american airpower had to get Assad regime militias to stop despite been warned multiple times not to engage friendly forces ,

P.Walnuts

seiphil wrote: »

The US need to keep out of whats going on in Syria.

The Russians, Syrian Army and Hezbollah are the only ones really having an affect against ISIS. You can see that by the area's they have taken back.

The US have launched more attacks against the Syrian Army than ISIS.

And regarding the US V Russia thing don't see that going down. Nobody "Wins" in that one as both would suffer massive loses.

What about the SDF? As in the force thats made the most ground on ISIS. Armed and funded by the US

Approx 500 US special forces on ground advising them too

mad muffin

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Mcdonalds in Australia has a chicken big mac.

Actually. I'd like to try that.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Who do you think is fighting Isis on the ground ,

It's certainly not assad and putin ,

For the second time in a few weeks forces on the ground were targeted and american airpower had to get Assad regime militias to stop despite been warned multiple times not to engage friendly forces ,

The opposition are attempting to capture land controlled by Isis. The Russians, Iranian and Syrian forces are going to wipe out Isis soon. This is the Americans providing air support to the people fighting Assad. America is an invading power. If the America took over Cork or Galway, would you be happy with that?

AuldDaysul

mad muffin wrote: »

Actually. I'd like to try that.

It's fowl

seiphil

P.Walnuts wrote: »

What about the SDF? As in the force thats made the most ground on ISIS. Armed and funded by the US

Approx 500 US special forces on ground advising them too

They have been focusing on Raqqa for a long time now and allowing ISIS to leave so they can rejoin the fight against Assad.

They are also affiliates to a lot of terrorist groups in the region.

Atoms for Peace

If Cork did become as an overseas US territory would the inhabitants be entitled to US passports?

Barry Badrinath

Russia has scaled back their warning against coalition aircraft. Now stating that they will escort any coalition aircraft from the Russian / pro-Assad areas.

Will Putin directly attack US forces? Not likely.

Putin wants to control the MENA region, any escalation against superpowers in Syria will take away from that.

On the other hand, the US are hitting back at anything that threatens their self declared "de militarised zones".

The US's backing of the SDF forces has ruffled Turkeys feathers. The question must be asked, what happens when the ISIS threat lessens (as is happening) and the pro Assad Regime have a new main opposition of the SDF to counter.

Will the US continue to support and fight with the SDF once Turkey and Syrian/Russian/HZB forces align themselves against the Kurds?

Cheerful Spring

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Russia has scaled back their warning against coalition aircraft. Now stating that they will escort any coalition aircraft from the Russian / pro-Assad areas.

Will Putin directly attack US forces? Not likely.

Putin wants to control the MENA region, any escalation against superpowers in Syria will take away from that.

On the other hand, the US are hitting back at anything that threatens their self declared "de militarised zones".

The US's backing of the SDF forces has ruffled Turkeys feathers. The question must be asked, what happens when the ISIS threat lessens (as is happening) and the pro Assad Regime have a new main opposition of the SDF to counter.

Will the US continue to support and fight with the SDF once Turkey and Syrian/Russian/HZB forces align themselves against the Kurds?

A war is coming. It's well known Trump and the White house hate Iran. It's partly the reason America has set up bases inside Syria. We have had 4 clashes already involving US forces and Syrian and Iranian proxies. Iran will be the next enemy after Isis loses it's territory. The real question is will Russia back Iran up when the war starts?

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Russians, Iranian and Syrian forces are going to wipe out Isis soon

Sure didn't russia completely wipe out Isis in one night 2 years ago ,

But wait Isis is still in Syria odd that isn't it

Barry Badrinath

seiphil wrote: »

The US need to keep out of whats going on in Syria.

The Russians, Syrian Army and Hezbollah are the only ones really having an affect against ISIS. You can see that by the area's they have taken back.

The US have launched more attacks against the Syrian Army than ISIS.

And regarding the US V Russia thing don't see that going down. Nobody "Wins" in that one as both would suffer massive loses.

Well tbh, the SDF caused significant damage to ISIS in Tabqa and have pushed onto Raqqa. They have been laying siege their for the last 2 weeks and are likely to take it in the short term.

They are the only ones (including the FSA) to be driving them back towards Deir az Zeir or Palmyra.

There is secondary pressure from east Aleppo by pro-Regime forces towards south Raqqa. This will come to a head between pro and anti Assad forces soon.

Barry Badrinath

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

A war is coming. It's well known Trump and the White house hate Iran. It's partly the reason America has set up bases inside Syria. We have had 4 clashes already involving US forces and Syrian and Iranian proxies. Iran will be the next enemy after Isis loses it's territory. The real question is will Russia back Iran up when the war starts?

Russia have boots on the ground all over Syria with bases in Latakia and Tartus. They strategically engineered the safe zones to suit themselves.

Putins plans in the MENA region rely on Gulf and regional cooperation. The US gets in the way of that. I can see them siding with Iran if its a means to an end.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Sure didn't russia completely wipe out Isis in one night 2 years ago ,

But wait Isis is still in Syria odd that isn't it

CIA estimated ISIS had a army 50,000 to 75,000 strong a few years ago. You not going to wipe out Isis quickly. Kurdish generals felt Isis was larger 150,000. Syrian army is using Soviet- Era military tech. The Iranians are using proxies to fight the war like Hezbollah and have send in Militia. The Russians are only providing air support and logistic support, also limited special forces support.

The_Valeyard

Would these be the same Syrian warplanes dropping barrel bombs on hospitals?

mad muffin

AuldDaysul wrote: »

It's fowl

I'm sure it'll be ok if I'm peckish.

endacl

begbysback wrote: »

Noah's Ark - 2 chickens were on board

Noah was out of the franchise long before revelations.

:rolleyes: :pac:

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The Russians are only providing air support and logistic support, also limited special forces support.

But they claimed they defeated Isis in one week 2 years ago ,
And to answer the_valeyard no not the same aircraft unfortunately the su22 shot down is a flying antique around since the 60s with little or no advanced avionics or military technology ,

Unlike the planes russia are using to bomb hospitals which would be a lot more advanced.


Makes you wonder why would they send an antique to take on American aircraft knowing full well what would happen

archer22

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Would these be the same Syrian warplanes dropping barrel bombs on hospitals?

No they would be the ones eating babies ...and of course primed to launch WMD'S against the west in 45 minutes :rolleyes:

Zebra3

More US violence as it invades a sovereign country's air space and commits a war crime by attacking a Syrian plane.

As usual the compliant western media see nothing wrong with not highlighting this breach of international law. No calls for prosecutions.

Shameful.

Zebra3

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Would these be the same Syrian warplanes dropping barrel bombs on hospitals?

As opposed to all those bombs the West drop which are filled with love and democracy and which don't obliterate civilians. :rolleyes:

archer22

Zebra3 wrote: »

As opposed to all those bombs the West drop which are filled with love and democracy and which don't obliterate civilians. :rolleyes:

Ah yes the auld freedom and democracy bombs are great...happy bombs they are known as

The_Valeyard

archer22 wrote: »

No they would be the ones eating babies ...and of course primed to launch WMD'S against the west in 45 minutes :rolleyes:

What?

The_Valeyard

Zebra3 wrote: »

As opposed to all those bombs the West drop which are filled with love and democracy and which don't obliterate civilians. :rolleyes:

Do you condemn the Russian bombs or just western bombs? Because your that way inclined.