Apprenticeships mechanics

kona

kona wrote: »

Here pal dont get butthurt because your opinion is aload of bollix.

Being a mechanic is far more than passing exams ( youve seen a few sparks examination papers so they must be the same as a mechanics right?) You actually need to have a pair of hands that can do more than type ****e into a computer, judging by some of the work i see done by "enthusiasts" a pair of hands is not something alot of the population are blessed with.

Wonder what you do for a living, must be some difficult job that nobody here would understand.

I reckon you might be the butt hurt one
My point about the sparks exams wasn't at all what you think it was.
Well, as you aren't qualified to do my job in your own book your opinion on it is invalid I don't type sh1te into a computer as a profession btw bud.

JC01 wrote: »

............. Iv always thought the qualification was way too "easy" to attain, in my phases there was maybe 5/12 lads who actually had a clue yet all of us passed each exam. The most completely useless hadnt a bulls notion fella actually matched me as the best results in phases 2 and 6 because the lecturers loved him.

In reality all you have to really do to get the qualification is hang around at it for 4 odd years, whether your brilliant or crap the end result is largely the same; do you have your papers? "Yes"

This not only hurts the trade due to poor quality "qualified" mechanics but really hurts the standing off the qualification which some lads take very seriously and work there asses off for.

As I said, not difficult to attain Kona will struggle to disregard your view as you are qualified as a mechanic.
Anyone who reckons it's difficult to qualify as a mechanic is delirious or severely blinkered.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

Honestly, I consider your posts in this thread not worth responding too.

Basically you don't want to quantify what the "in demand" lads who are overwhelmed with job offers earn
We all know why you won't.

bucketybuck wrote: »

............ You will never meet a man more in demand than a good mechanic. Work hard, put the hours in, learn your trade and it won't be long before min wage is a thing of the past, because a lad with a good reputation will have work and job offers coming out of his hole.

That comment of yours is laughable tbh, and you know it too.

Brian?

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'd be aiming towards main dealers if I was looking. There is a drought of good mechanics at the moment and a lot of manufacturers are recommending their dealers to take on apprentices to grow their own future mechanics. An independent is fine but I'd say in 99% of independents it's all about who you know.

You don't need any skills to become an apprentice which makes it both very easy and very difficult. We get numerous C.V.s every day for mechanic and apprentice positions. I'd say the ticket to getting an interview for getting an apprentice position is having a well presented C.V. even if there isn't much content. Don't use silly or large fonts or switch between fonts, don't ramble on etc, a well formatted C.V. is your best bet. Any sloppy C.V.'s, ones with poor spelling, bad grammar etc don't go down well.

When you get to an interview, dress smart. The amount of people coming to interviews lately with a terrible dress sense is phenomenal. I've witnessed a few recently where even one chap turned up in a pair of Canto's and his county colours ffs. A lot of lads aren't wearing ties too which is bad, wear a tie, we had one average fella in and we were stuck to fill a position so he was likely to land the job if he was any way decent and after a bit of deliberation, the reason he didn't get a call back is because he wasn't wearing a tie. You don't need an Armani suit but if you are cash strapped a Pennies suit is a minimum IMO.

That's a bit silly. I interviewed people a few errors ago, hired 2 from 5. Some wore ties, some didn't. It had zero baring on their suitability to the job.

Clean yourself up and dress decent, but I don't think any decision should be based on the presence of a tie.

kona

Augeo wrote: »

I don't type sh1te into a computer as a profession btw bud.

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You should give it a go, your extremely talented at it.

I see ypuve no problem talking **** about other trades yet wont say what high level job you have.

kona

kona wrote: »

You should give it a go, your extremely talented at it.

I see ypuve no problem talking **** about other trades yet wont say what high level job you have.

You seem annoyed
As another mechanic has said, it's way too easy to attain the qualification. Lads with no interest and no clue get qualified. Many of them remain in the industry.

The pay is poor for many/most mechanics working in garages they don't own.

You can come along and deny it's easy to get qualified as a mechanic, the other lad can say good mechanics are in huge demand with plenty job offers yet not quantify what they are offered

None of that changes the facts, easy to get qualified, lots of sh1t mechanics about, pay is poor etc etc.

I don't claim I have a high level job btw
You are essentially trying to convince folk a mechanic is though

kona

Augeo wrote: »

You seem annoyed
As another mechanic has said, it's way too easy to attain the qualification. Lads with no interest and no clue get qualified. Many of them remain in the industry.

The pay is poor for many/most mechanics working in garages they don't own.

You can come along and deny it's easy to get qualified as a mechanic, the other lad can say good mechanics are in huge demand with plenty job offers yet not quantify what they are offered

None of that changes the facts, easy to get qualified, lots of sh1t mechanics about, pay is poor etc etc.

I don't claim I have a high level job btw
You are essentially trying to convince folk a mechanic is though

Theres lots of **** people in all jobs that managed to get qualified somehow :rolleyes:

Youve come on to a thread that a young lad created asking about becoming a mechanic.
All you contributed was to belittle the trade and then claim its easy to get qualified(bacause you have seen another trades exam papers so therefore another trade must be the same).

You were asked what you do for a living that is so much more in demand and well paid than a car mechanic (or parts fitter as you called them) and you couldnt even reply

Im not even a car mechanic.

bucketybuck

Augeo wrote: »

Basically you don't want to quantify what the "in demand" lads who are overwhelmed with job offers earn
We all know why you won't.

Why I won't? The reason I wouldn't is because I can guess your motives and know that no matter what answer I give you will disregard it.

There are lads on our workshop floor right this minute earning €1000+ per week with overtime, and in fact there are 5 people on that floor earning more than I do despite the small fact that I am their boss. And I know about the job offers they all get because its a small industry and everybody talks, not to mention how many times I've had to give another bump to a lad who just got offered the world by one of the resurgent construction or fleet companies.

But sure what would I know, I only run a workshop.

bucketybuck

MKelly202 wrote: »

What advice would you give to me from your experience with apprentices?

anything would be helpful, thanks!

There is no one answer, but when I get a chance later on I will try and explain the sort of things I look for in interviews!

kona

kona wrote: »

..............

Im not even a car mechanic.

You wouldn't know how easy it is so to become one

kona wrote: »

..............

You were asked what you do for a living that is so much more in demand and well paid than a car mechanic (or parts fitter as you called them) and you couldnt even reply .............

What I do for a living has nothing to do with how great or otherwise in demand mechanics are paid.

kona wrote: »

................. then claim its easy to get qualified(bacause you have seen another trades exam papers so therefore another trade must be the same)..............

That wasn't my point at all. It's more difficult to become an electrician, better paid job, more folk applying and much better opportunities. The exams are still not tough though.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why I won't? The reason I wouldn't is because I can guess your motives and know that no matter what answer I give you will disregard it.

There are lads on our workshop floor right this minute earning €1000+ per week with overtime............

Overtime isn't really included in salaries .............. overtime could be every Saturday.
As you run a workshop I'm sure you agree that in general, mechanics get paid badly.

Autochange

To the guy saying it's not difficult to to become a mechanic ie pass the exams in a way you are correct. You listen somewhat in class then write what you remember on exam day. It's not difficult. They go over and over it and drill it into you.

It's when you are actually on the job and the variety of issues you come across can be overwhelming for some. The electrical systems in modern vehicles can have up to 15 ecus using coded hi/low 6v and 12v canbus wiring. To be able to diagnose either electrical or mecanical issues you must know how everything works and talks to each other. Faults can be intermittent causing a variety of strange issues. You can spend days going through mountains of wiring and testing while pulling a car to pieces. Then the next job for example could be an engine rebuild on an engine type you have never seen before which will need stripping down leaving a mountain of parts to be reasembbled .It's always evolving new systems, new engines, new diagnostic techniques. More and more training. While all the time your "efficency and productivity" s under scrutiny.

The fundamentals of an electricians job don't change or evolve unless they move into that field. As a mechanic you don't have a choice you must keep learning and all for half the same pay as other trades in some circumstances.

If you have never actually worked as a mechanic on modern vehicles you do not have a clue what it's like.

knipex

MKelly202 wrote: »

But thats just it, Trying to get employed and registered so far no one is looking for an apprentice, Or at least who ive went to.

Would you be interested in any other apprenticeship ?

Toolmaiking.
Mechanic
Electrical
metal Fabrication
Fitter turner
Aircraft
Brickie
Carpenter
Electrician


Atlantic Aviation are looking for aircraft apprentices an have been for a while.
I know a couple of refrigeration companies who have advertised for apprentices and a couple of electrical contractors..

Autochange

Autochange wrote: »

To the guy saying it's not difficult to to become a mechanic ie pass the exams in a way you are correct. You listen somewhat in class then write what you remember on exam day. It's not difficult. They go over and over it and drill it into you.

It's when you are actually on the job and the variety of issues you come across can be overwhelming for some. The electrical systems in modern vehicles can have up to 15 ecus using coded hi/low 6v and 12v canbus wiring. To be able to diagnose either electrical or mecanical issues you must know how everything works and talks to each other. Faults can be intermittent causing a variety of strange issues. You can spend days going through mountains of wiring and testing while pulling a car to pieces. Then the next job for example could be an engine rebuild on an engine type you have never seen before which will need stripping down leaving a mountain of parts to be reasembbled .It's always evolving new systems, new engines, new diagnostic techniques. More and more training. While all the time your "efficency and productivity" s under scrutiny.

The fundamentals of an electricians job don't change or evolve unless they move into that field. As a mechanic you don't have a choice you must keep learning and all for half the same pay as other trades in some circumstances.

If you have never actually worked as a mechanic on modern vehicles you do not have a clue what it's like.

You're obviously not an electrician or instrument tech in industry. Try tell one of them the fundamentals haven't changed when their trying to figure out how to calibrate or configure profibus stuff when they're used to 4 - 20mA stuff.

Any mechanic who spends days days going through mountains of wiring should be contacting his local auto spark after a few hours if he has no clue at all what he's at.

Rebuilding engines types he's never before? Engine overhaul centres are the answer to that conundrum.

Most mechanics are best left to oil services & pads etc.

Autochange

Augeo wrote: »

You're obviously not an electrician or instrument tech in industry. Try tell one of them the fundamentals haven't changed when their trying to figure out how to calibrate or configure profibus stuff when they're used to 4 - 20mA stuff.

Any mechanic who spends days days going through mountains of wiring should be contacting his local auto spark after a few hours if he has no clue at all what he's at.

Rebuilding engines types he's never before? Engine overhaul centres are the answer to that conundrum.

Most mechanics are best left to oil services & pads etc.

Rubbish!
Dealerships dont sub out electrical and engine overhaul work. Especially if they are warranty jobs. Manufacturers would not allow it . As i said to previously if you are not in the trade you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

If an electrician has gone into instrumentation then his pay packet will reflect the extra training. In the motor trade it does not. That is the difference

bucketybuck

Augeo wrote: »

Any mechanic who spends days days going through mountains of wiring should be contacting his local auto spark after a few hours if he has no clue at all what he's at.

Rebuilding engines types he's never before? Engine overhaul centres are the answer to that conundrum.

Most mechanics are best left to oil services & pads etc.

What a load of tosh.

You vastly understate just how much electronics are in modern vehicles, if you really think most mechanics don't know how to isolate wiring faults then you don't know many mechanics, they wouldn't last a day in our place if they don't have basic electrical competency.

And engine overhaul centres? Don't make me laugh, our lads consider an engine rebuild to be a handy job compared to some of the other problems they could be given, whereas I wouldn't let some "overhaul centre" near a dti engine.

Edit: Oh, its just you again, still talking rubbish.

dor843088

Mechanics earn around 30- 35k a year. Years of training to get qualified and every year or new vehicle that comes out you need to train all over again. Mostly filthy dirty damp conditions insanely expensive tools and an utterly thankless job where every joe soap thinks you're out to rip them off because the trade has an ugly reputation. Out of all the trades is the worst paid and the most difficult. Just a former mechanics opinion. Stay in school kid 35k a year ain't worth that sh1t.

Autochange

Autochange wrote: »

Rubbish!
Dealerships dont sub out electrical and engine overhaul work. Especially if they are warranty jobs. Manufacturers would not allow it . As i said to previously if you are not in the trade you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

If an electrician has gone into instrumentation then his pay packet will reflect the extra training. In the motor trade it does not. That is the difference

If they're warranty jobs the mechanic would be familiar with the engine.... try and remain consistent.

Your point about mechanics pay is correct. It's sh1t money.

You allude to work being subbed out if it's not warranty work though. Make up your mind.

bucketybuck wrote: »

What a load of tosh.

You vastly understate just how much electronics are in modern vehicles, if you really think most mechanics don't know how to isolate wiring faults then you don't know many mechanics, they wouldn't last a day in our place if they don't have basic electrical competency.

And engine overhaul centres? Don't make me laugh, our lads consider an engine rebuild to be a handy job compared to some of the other problems they could be given, whereas I wouldn't let some "overhaul centre" near a dti engine.

Edit: Oh, its just you again, still talking rubbish.

I'm not the onespeeling on about mechanics spending days on an electrical issue. If they knew how to troubleshoot it wouldn't take days.