New X3, Q5, Fpace or GLC

Cyrus

Interested to try a SUV next for a change. I dont think we need bigger (as the current X3 is as big as the original X5 i believe)

Interested to hear if anyone has any opinions on which of the above is the best in the segment and if there are any other ones that we should consider,

discovery sport, skoda kodiak? etc etc

R.O.R

New XC60?

Tested it against the X3 and it kicked its hole. Didn't get to drive the GLC as a comparison.

Cyrus

R.O.R wrote: »

New XC60?

Tested it against the X3 and it kicked its hole. Didn't get to drive the GLC as a comparison.

didnt realise there was a new one out,

will take a look! starting at 54k would make it more expensive than the rest however

tweaf1

Have a 13 X3 - love the car, great to drive but have had way too many problems with it incl. the dreaded timing chain issue.
XC90 and Q5 only available with 4 wheel drive and 2 wheel 150 bhp yet to arrive.

R.O.R

Cyrus wrote: »

didnt realise there was a new one out,

will take a look! starting at 54k would make it more expensive than the rest however

Pretty much same price as the equivalent Q5, FWD versions won't be out until next year though.

bazz26

Isn't there a new X3 on the way?

freddieot

New X3 expected to be finally unveiled in August I believe. Supposed to be state of the art, larger, better tech, faster, more economical etc. I'm waiting for this one myself before I make a decision on changing my current X5 next year. X5 is also to get larger with the next version and to be honest I find this one big enough !

It will depend on prices and specs of course. RR Velar is also due to go live for sales here in August so should be an interesting comparison for the new X3.

carsfan2

New X3 unveiled in 2 weeks apparently.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/06/12/new-bmw-x3-shows-skin-unveil/

The F pace looks nice when on big wheels but pretty boring and cheap on lower trim levels.
Q5 looks very boring but I am sure is a great all rounder.
GLC merc is nice too and benefits from price reductions currently.
What is your budget and 2/4 wheel drive reqiured?

Henry Ford III

F Pace would be the one to go for I reckon.

Cyrus

carsfan2 wrote: »

New X3 unveiled in 2 weeks apparently.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/06/12/new-bmw-x3-shows-skin-unveil/

The F pace looks nice when on big wheels but pretty boring and cheap on lower trim levels.
Q5 looks very boring but I am sure is a great all rounder.
GLC merc is nice too and benefits from price reductions currently.
What is your budget and 2/4 wheel drive reqiured?

itll be a pcp deal, so depends really on whats on offer, 4 wheel drive preferred but not required,

at list they are all much of a muchness so it depends on the trade in offers and any other inducements.

carsfan2

Are you buying now or when are you planning for?
Drive them all and see what floats your boat.

Cyrus

carsfan2 wrote: »

Are you buying now or when are you planning for?
Drive them all and see what floats your boat.

i will be just wanted to hear opinions if there were any

will be buying next year

Summer wind

I think the one I'd go for would be the X3. I'm very interested in seeing the new model. My dealer says he will have one to view on site in November. I love my 520d but was thinking of a new X3 or second hand around 6 months old X5 for next time.

freddieot

Summer wind wrote: »

I think the one I'd go for would be the X3. I'm very interested in seeing the new model. My dealer says he will have one to view on site in November. I love my 520d but was thinking of a new X3 or second hand around 6 months old X5 for next time.

Me too. X3 is rumoured to be a big leap forward on the current car, which is a great car anyway, but showing age against some of the new competition.

The new RR Velar is also one I will look (if the prices make sense). Don't like the FPace, still reminds me too much of a Mazda. The styling is too bland on the base models. Yes, you can spec it up, 3.0 HSE etc. but then the price goes too high compared to the same money spent on a BMW M Spec..

Summer wind

I like the look of the Disco Sport too but reliability would be a sticking point for me. I've never driven a Volvo X60 but I've sat in one and thought that the seat was so comfortable I'd probably fall asleep while driving:p Spent just over a year in an Audi and was very happy to be back in a BMW after that. I don't really like the F Pace either so all in all I think X3/X5 is the way for me to go.

freddieot

Disco sport looks good but I would also have the same concern about reliability. Performance is also not in the same league as BMW. However, off-road ability should be better, but I really don't need a full blown mud-plugger so the X-drive performance (which I have had occasion to use) is fine.

My current X5 X25d is a great car but could benefit from a bit more speed for overtaking more safely. Unfortunately I've spent some time over the last few weeks in hospital car parks and that is also when you realise the full size of this thing. It really is a difficult car to park in confined spaces, many spots are simply not big enough. Great for the open road though and the most comfortable car I've ever owned.

My next car will either be another X5, a new X3 or if the velar is well priced for the specs I would also consider one of them. However, RR reliability would push me towards BMW if it did come down to the wire...

Volvos and Audis don't interest me. Mercedes GLE is over-priced even with the recent discounts and is old tech which is due to be replaced in the not too distant future with a newer model.

Summer wind

I've only driven an X5 once and it was the 3ltr diesel model and I liked it a lot. If I buy one though it would probably be the 2ltr version. I would like the x drive but I don't really need it so I would be happy with the s drive. I'm going to wait until both the X3 and X5 models are here and try and get an extended test drive of both before I make up my mind. At the moment I'd prefer the X5 but am very interested in seeing the new X3 too.

freddieot

Both the new X3 and X5 are supposed to be slightly larger than the current cars. New X5 won't arrive until next year for sales into 2019 but the X3 will be available to buy for Jan 2018 (according to all the internet reports etc.).

I'd choose a AWD vehicle over a rear wheel drive any day for safety reasons. My last 5 cars all had AWD and in heavy rain, bad weather, snow etc. they are fantastic. You don't need to go off-road to feel the benefit.

Recent BMW price increases have really pushed up all the X5 prices. Too high in my opinion but I'm still tempted to buy another one as it is a great car. However, if the new X3 lives up to expectation I reckon I can get a new 3.0 M with extras for a lot less than anything remotely comparable in the X5 range.

As the new prices for the RR Velar are yet to be published, RR could steal quite a few sales from BMW X3/X5 and Audi if they get the price points right, we'll see. Sterling is a lot weaker now so in theory that should give more margin to play with for the dealers here.

First world problems of course

Blazer

Summer wind wrote: »

I've only driven an X5 once and it was the 3ltr diesel model and I liked it a lot. If I buy one though it would probably be the 2ltr version..

God the X5 in a 2litre guise must move like a pig..its way too heavy a suv for a 2litre. Pushing that amount of weight must seriously lower the lifetime of the engine.

carsfan2

Blazer wrote: »

God the X5 in a 2litre guise must move like a pig..its way too heavy a suv for a 2litre. Pushing that amount of weight must seriously lower the lifetime of the engine.

We've just changed from s drive x5 25d to x drive model and it does feel more planted on the road but the s drive was never found wanting.
They are no rocket but about 520d quick which is not slow, 7.7 sec to 60 I think and quite economical.
Wife is main driver and she would not even look at alternative as xc90 q7 are even bigger.
If you don't want 7 seats I'd say new model x3 would be great buy and as op is talking pcp it should be good residually. I would guess the q5 would hold its value equally well.
I would not think f pace is in the same league and only looks good when you spend stupid money .

Summer wind

I think the best thing anyone can do is to have an extended test drive of everything they're interested in before buying. My dealer is very good for that. I've often gotten a car from him for a couple of days to give it a try.

freddieot

Blazer wrote: »

God the X5 in a 2litre guise must move like a pig..its way too heavy a suv for a 2litre. Pushing that amount of weight must seriously lower the lifetime of the engine.

Not really - first the 0-60 is reasonable enough for a big SUV. As Carsfan says about 7.7. Once I t reaches 60 it just keeps going very smoothly. It also stops well, which is a bonus.

Also, as it has xdrive, all the power is easily planted on the road, something you will only get on a very dry clean surface with 2WD. The engine never feels that strained and the turbocharger comes in every time it is needed.

I did test drive the 3.0. Around the M50 and urban areas, not much difference in normal driving. Overtaking trucks etc. on back roads however is much easier, as you would expect in the 3.0, so as I've started to do a lot of this kind of driving lately I would prefer a 3 litre next time.

I'm going to wait for the new X3 and see what it has to offer.

AMKC

What about a Lexus? The Lexus NX is a lovely looking car. Starts from 45k

carsfan2

Here is the new x3.
Looks like an upsized X1 as opposed to a down sized x5 which is a disappointment. Interior seems just like new 5 series.
With the way prices are increasing, I am guessing will be 60k odd for new 2.0d once you add metallic,service pack and delivery.


http://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1397050.

freddieot

I like it but spec levels and price will be the decider for me. The existing X5 is due for replacement itself in 2019 (might also then look like a further upscaled X1) but I would still be tempted to replace my X25 with another one.

The Velar is the only other car tempting me at the moment but again still waiting on prices to be announced and see how it compares against new X3. The spec on the higher models is very good - but at what cost....

carsfan2

The Velar looks amazing but I predict it will be eye wateringly expensive if the Uk prices are any indication. I have read that spec for spec it is more than the range rover sport over there.
Also I think nearly all jag/land rover products look great on higher specs with big wheels etc but very ordinary in the lower price levels.
I also would not rate the dealers.
If I was OP would probably go X3 or Q5

djivide_

Velar pricing is out, starting at 62k but move up the specs and it jumps very quickly,
personal choice would be D240 engine with r-dynamic se spec but your hitting 87k
which is jumping out of the x3/q5 range.

As for their "first edition" the pricing is crazy, 129k for diseal model and 150k for petrol model.

carsfan2

djivide_ wrote: »

Velar pricing is out, starting at 62k but move up the specs and it jumps very quickly,
personal choice would be D240 engine with r-dynamic se spec but your hitting 87k
which is jumping out of the x3/q5 range.

As for their "first edition" the pricing is crazy, 129k for diseal model and 150k for petrol model.

Any link to the pricing?

djivide_

http://landrover.ie/range-rover-velar-pricing

djivide_

Also if the uk configurator is anything to go by could probably add 2-3k of extras very quickly
metalic paint will probably be 1k alone. I know i had 3.5k sterling of options on an ideal build for me.

carsfan2

Savage prices all right and very spec sensitive like most jag/land rover products.
Will need right paint/glass,roof etc. and 240 ps engine.

freddieot

I was waiting with great anticipation to see what these would cost. I have an X5 and considering either another one (x25M Spec) or the new X3 (30 M) for next year. Also on my list was the Velar 3.0 HSE but pricing was critical. After looking at these prices, I can't get where LR expect this car to fit.

The X5 (higher specs) is really competing on price with the 3.0 RR Sport which is fair enough but I would have thought that they would have priced the Velar as a competitor for the new (or existing) X3, Q5 etc;not so.

HSE and even SE is ludicrous money for what is basically a larger Evoque or smaller Sport, (even if the handles go in and out). 10-15k overpriced as far as I'm concerned.

A bad move but I suppose time will tell. Pity, it's a very nice looking machine.

carsfan2

I read elsewhere that the velar is basically a rebodied f pace.
Jag have just announced a series of price reductions with 3k off the f pace.

freddieot

carsfan2 wrote: »

I read elsewhere that the velar is basically a rebodied f pace.
Jag have just announced a series of price reductions with 3k off the f pace.

I think they share the same platform.

Just played with the Jaguar.ie configurator. Tried building a 3.0 R to the same spec as a 3.0 (old) x3. Gave up at 90k and it still was way under on specification. O they look good when you start but no auto tailgate, nav, dipping mirrors, front park assist, big displays, (basics these days at this price point)

BMW and Audi are far better price options. I also think the F Pace has an air of Mazda or Kia about it as the styling is a little bland but that's in the eye of the beholder of course.

No wonder I've only seen two of these since they launched (basic ones too). Mad prices.

R.O.R

Dealers have demo models and that's it. No orders being accepted until November so you won't see more than a couple of Velars until the new yet.

SE spec has all you need so that is the one to go for.

carsfan2

The reviews from UK press are not amazing especially as it's a JLR product


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/land-rover/range-rover-velar/first-drives/range-rover-velar-2017-review


Normally they love without criticism any range rover

Oafley Jones

carsfan2 wrote: »

The reviews from UK press are not amazing especially as it's a JLR product


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/land-rover/range-rover-velar/first-drives/range-rover-velar-2017-review


Normally they love without criticism any range rover

Love the look of it, but this trend for lower touch screens (same in new Audi A8) is a seriously bad idea.

carsfan2

I am surprised nobody has copied tesla with the giant touchscreen in the centre as the sole display and controller for most functions.

R.O.R

carsfan2 wrote: »

I am surprised nobody has copied tesla with the giant touchscreen in the centre as the sole display and controller for most functions.

Except the Volvo's that have been available for a couple of years now?

carsfan2

R.O.R wrote: »

Except the Volvo's that have been available for a couple of years now?

Yeah, I suppose but the tesla screen is quite a bit bigger and the Volvo still has some physical buttons below it for some functions which I don't think is on the tesla?
I test drive a xc90 and wasn't keen on the system but maybe it is just something to get used to. I'm probably too old as I still like a cabin with buttons.

djivide_

carsfan2 wrote: »

The reviews from UK press are not amazing especially as it's a JLR product


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/land-rover/range-rover-velar/first-drives/range-rover-velar-2017-review


Normally they love without criticism any range rover

I test drove one at the weekend, the demo model they has was a D240 R-dynamic se on air suspension and premium metal paint (2.5k) so in around the 95k or there abouts. Nice to drive and plenty of power but prices are mad, as freddieot said drop 10-15k off it and I would consider it but not at the price.

Also rear leg room was fairly cramped. I am 6ft 2 and in a comfortable driving position for me i could not get into the back seat. Even in the passenger side when i pulled the seat up as far as it would go (my knees just short of glovebox) my knees where touching the back of the passenger seat when i got in the back.

Oafley Jones

carsfan2 wrote: »

I test drive a xc90 and wasn't keen on the system but maybe it is just something to get used to. I'm probably too old as I still like a cabin with buttons.

Love the XC90 and touchscreens definitely have their place but sometimes it's still a pile of ****e and just plain dangerous.

E.g Freezing morning and I wanted to turn on the heated seats and wheel. The icon for both occupies the same place, only switching when you select the relevant function. It's also a tiny hit space on the bottom right of the panel. So you're driving along, trying to tap this small area for the seat icon, to select the wheel icon from the pop-up menu... to then turn it on. And there's no haptics to let you feel it has switched state. You've to take your eyes of the road for far too long for what should be a simple button press. Ridiculous, and it's far from the worst in terms of touch controls I've seen.

freddieot

The covers are well off the BMW X3 . We still need to see final Irish spec and prices but looking at the brochure which you can get on the GB BMW site it looks like this is the one to watch.

IF priced right, it will be hard to beat. On performance alone is wipes out the Velar etc. 3 litre for example is 5.8 seconds 0-100. Economy looks good too and there are a lot of what appears to be standard items such as LED lights, park assist etc..

Come on BMW Ireland, a chance to wipe out over-priced competition here, don't mess up the pricing v spec on this one

R.O.R

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say the Irish standard specification will be the same as the UK on the X3, except for the km/h speedo clock.

carsfan2

Base x3 2.0d is about 60k apparently so I questimate a 3.0d m sport will be close to 80k.

freddieot

R.O.R wrote: »

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say the Irish standard specification will be the same as the UK on the X3, except for the km/h speedo clock.

I just compared the M spec X5 on the UK BMW website and it is exactly the same as the Irish offering (different prices of course). It should follow through that the new X3 will have the same standard SE or M spec in both countries.

freddieot

carsfan2 wrote: »

Base x3 2.0d is about 60k apparently so I questimate a 3.0d m sport will be close to 80k.

I think you are about right, all things being equal. At that price it would be 14k cheaper than an SE Velar (without adding extras to either car of course).

biko

https://www.whatcar.com/news/bmw-x3-vs-jaguar-f-pace-vs-land-rover-discovery-sport/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAtXEmq6fY

R.O.R

freddieot wrote: »

I just compared the M spec X5 on the UK BMW website and it is exactly the same as the Irish offering (different prices of course). It should follow through that the new X3 will have the same standard SE or M spec in both countries.

Tongue was firmly in my cheek with the previous post. BMW Irish and UK spec have been identical since 2003 except for the odd special edition model here and there.

freddieot

biko wrote: »

https://www.whatcar.com/news/bmw-x3-vs-jaguar-f-pace-vs-land-rover-discovery-sport/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAtXEmq6fY

Unfortunately that's not the new X3 so we may have to wait a few months for some independent reviews.

Phil.x

F pace