Wicklow gap..WARNING

Max Headroom

Yep...theyre at it again..The sweaty ball lycra brigade are out today in force, thousands of them...:eek:....be afraid..be very afraid..

beauf

Major event on today...

http://www.wicklow200.ie

D3V!L

What's with the funny motorbikes they have? Are they some sort of hybrid? Is the engine in the frame ?

I'm all confused :pac:

uck51js9zml2yt

D3V!L wrote: »

What's with the funny motorbikes they have? Are they some sort of hybrid? Is the engine in the frame ?

I'm all confused :pac:

You obviously haven't figured out how to use one.
Try looking in the manual

hairyslug

D3V!L wrote: »

What's with the funny motorbikes they have? Are they some sort of hybrid? Is the engine in the frame ?

I'm all confused :pac:

It took me to long to get this,

Wonda-Boy

I am off out to the destination with 20 pacs of thumb tacs....then I am setting up a stall 500m down the road selling puncture repair kits.

Pugzilla

D0NNELLY

At least they're sticking to organised events.

It's the feckers who go around randomly in groups of 5 thinking they're in the fecking peloton in the tour de fecking Artane.

Fighting Tao

beauf wrote: »

Major event on today...

http://www.wicklow200.ie

The motorcyclist marshals are really appreciated too.

Bushmanpm

@ Pugzilla
Was the motorbike badly damaged?;-)
Bloody lycranazis

arybvtcw0eolkf

D0NNELLY wrote: »

At least they're sticking to organised events.

It's the feckers who go around randomly in groups of 5 thinking they're in the fecking peloton in the tour de fecking Artane.

Sorta like motorcyclists so.

stewygriffin

Windy for all road users,especially up The Gap.

Max Headroom

stewygriffin wrote: »

Windy for all road users,especially up The Gap.

A windy Gap is a nuisance all right....:D

Beta Ray Bill

Cyclists are without a doubt the biggest Hazard on the road.

They show absolutely no awareness to whats around them.

When there's a large bunch if them together holding up traffic people get fed up being behind them and take stupid chances to get past.

Just two of many "beautiful" incidents that I caught on the helmet cam today. (apologies for the language)

Cyclist just moves out into centre of road for no reason without looking:
https://youtu.be/szZF-Yvrx4E

Moron runs another car off the road trying to get past a murder of cyclists
https://youtu.be/snuj6dsRtxw

Max Headroom

MMMM...tbh i'm not seeing a lot wrong there...tandem guys wer'nt really an issue, loads of room to pass...second one the overtaking car was the problem as far as i could see....:o

beauf

I don't get the the issue with the tandem.

The second one overtaking on a blind bend. Not much you can say about that.

Its a Sunday, in the mountains, there's a cycling event. Why someone would be in hurry I have no idea. It makes no difference to your journey time.

Max Headroom

beauf wrote: »

I don't get the the issue with the tandem.

The second one overtaking on a blind bend. Not much you can say about that.

Its a Sunday, in the mountains, there's a cycling event. Why someone would be in hurry I have no idea. It makes no difference to your journey time.

Kinda does tbh...theres only so many scones in Lynhams...;);)

beauf

Once they're scone, they're scone.

Max Headroom

beauf wrote: »

Once they're scone, they're scone.

...and then :(:(:(

uck51js9zml2yt

grahambo wrote: »

Cyclists are without a doubt the biggest Hazard on the road.

They show absolutely no awareness to whats around them.

When there's a large bunch if them together holding up traffic people get fed up being behind them and take stupid chances to get past.

Just two of many "beautiful" incidents that I caught on the helmet cam today. (apologies for the language)

Cyclist just moves out into centre of road for no reason without looking:
https://youtu.be/szZF-Yvrx4E

Moron runs another car off the road trying to get past a murder of cyclists
https://youtu.be/snuj6dsRtxw

Do you generalise much?

Sounds a bit like the Harley drivers who took over Killarney last weekend.
We won't mention those of course who spent the afternoon drinking and then went out on the various rides that were on in the area.

...oops..I mentioned them

AndrewJRenko

grahambo wrote: »

Cyclists are without a doubt the biggest Hazard on the road.

Interesting conclusion. Cyclists are involved in about 5% of road deaths and research shows that motorists are generally at fault in motorist/cyclist collisions. Motorists are involved in 99% of road deaths, and kill four or five people each week on the roads.

But cyclists are the biggest hazard?

Reati

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But cyclists are the biggest hazard?

Yes. Was that not clear... ? :rolleyes::D:P

Max Headroom

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Interesting conclusion. Cyclists are involved in about 5% of road deaths and research shows that motorists are generally at fault in motorist/cyclist collisions. Motorists are involved in 99% of road deaths, and kill four or five people each week on the roads.

But cyclists are the biggest hazard?

Yawn...troll much..:p

stewygriffin

This thread is more exciting than the Ireland game,keep it up lads.:pac::D

stewygriffin

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Interesting conclusion. Cyclists are involved in about 5% of road deaths and research shows that motorists are generally at fault in motorist/cyclist collisions. Motorists are involved in 99% of road deaths, and kill four or five people each week on the roads.

But cyclists are the biggest hazard?

Yep,when they blatantly cycle through all those red lights that everyone else stops for.

Cyclists guide to the road.........RED means just ignore the big red light and GO.:rolleyes:

Ah to be a cyclist eh....:pac::pac::pac:

Max Headroom

stewygriffin wrote: »

Ireland actually won the ball back,Im going back to the game now.

Toodles.:p:D

Sh1t..forgot about the game..Is Shay Gibbon still in goal...........:D

stewygriffin

Max Headroom wrote: »

Sh1t..forgot about the game..Is Shay Gibbon still in goal...........:D

Nah its Packie in goal today.
He came back out of retirement to show them young whippersnappers how to play football and save a ball.:p

stewygriffin

Think I will switch over to the F1 Canadian GP build up now.

legrand

grahambo wrote: »

Cyclists are without a doubt the biggest Hazard on the road.

They show absolutely no awareness to whats around them.

When there's a large bunch if them together holding up traffic people get fed up being behind them and take stupid chances to get past.

Just two of many "beautiful" incidents that I caught on the helmet cam today. (apologies for the language)

Cyclist just moves out into centre of road for no reason without looking:
https://youtu.be/szZF-Yvrx4E

Moron runs another car off the road trying to get past a murder of cyclists
https://youtu.be/snuj6dsRtxw

Grow up. Former biker (15+ years), like to think I understand road conditions, awareness of others, defensive as required. Also a cyclist, keep in a much as I safely can, ride single file on most cases. Yes I over take, you know like bikers need to on occasion. Also, having done a hill walk had walk part of Wicklow Gap road with my kids only to meet a f'ing k##t on a motor bike clocking over a ton, scrambled into the ditch. But hey he's a biker and that's okay he can do no wrong. Right?

Lumen

stewygriffin wrote: »

Yep,when they blatantly cycle through all those red lights that everyone else stops for.

Cyclists guide to the road.........RED means just ignore the big red light and GO.:rolleyes:

Ah to be a cyclist eh....:pac::pac::pac:

Are you fed up being overtaken by cyclists when you're on your burger bun?

D0NNELLY

legrand wrote: »

Grow up. Former biker (15+ years), like to think I understand road conditions, awareness of others, defensive as required. Also a cyclist, keep in a much as I safely can, ride single file on most cases. Yes I over take, you know like bikers need to on occasion. Also, having done a hill walk had walk part of Wicklow Gap road with my kids only to meet a f'ing k##t on a motor bike clocking over a ton, scrambled into the ditch. But hey he's a biker and that's okay he can do no wrong. Right?

Youre the one gudun so. Fair play to you, keep fighting the good fight. Maybe the rest will follow your example.

AndrewJRenko

stewygriffin wrote: »

Yep,when they blatantly cycle through all those red lights that everyone else stops for.

Cyclists guide to the road.........RED means just ignore the big red light and GO.:rolleyes:

Ah to be a cyclist eh....:pac::pac::pac:

The lights that everyone else stops for? Really?

You need to up your observation game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc5VGuJvOVk

D0NNELLY

Brooke Skinny Schoolhouse wrote: »

Sorta like motorcyclists so.

not like motorcyclists when they're crawling along, quite the opposite

D0NNELLY

Lumen wrote: »

Are you fed up being overtaken by cyclists when you're on your burger bun?

go on then, whats a burger bun?

beauf

Interesting that the road traffic reports like aa watch don't mention the Wicklow 200

Max Headroom

GOAL.......

Beta Ray Bill

Max Headroom wrote: »

MMMM...tbh i'm not seeing a lot wrong there...tandem guys wer'nt really an issue, loads of room to pass...second one the overtaking car was the problem as far as i could see....:o

Its actually the jeep in front.
Go Pro bugeye makes long distance stuff a bit difficult to see.
The white jeep overtakes the cyclists forcing the oncomming black jeep off the road into the end of a grass verge and on to the beginning of a drive way.

The tandem cyclist moves out into the middle of the road, again hard to see from far away on the go pro. Yeah I'd plently of space to maneuver out of the way. But it was the failure to check over the shoulder, slow speed and irratic maneuver that got to me.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Interesting conclusion. Cyclists are involved in about 5% of road deaths and research shows that motorists are generally at fault in motorist/cyclist collisions. Motorists are involved in 99% of road deaths, and kill four or five people each week on the roads.

But cyclists are the biggest hazard?

Sorry, when I say biggest Hazard, I mean an obstacle you are most likely to hit.

Is there really 160 cyclists dying each year?

I cycle myself (commute). I keep as far left as I can, have the brightest lights and full hi vis etc.
What I've noticed though is that even at low speed any sort of collision can be lethal, the brakes on push bikes arent worth a f**k. Even with the disks the tyres just lose grip especially in the wet. There is no way to stop, yet i see some people in the moring at full pelt on the long downhill road between rathgar and rathmines.
If they were to fall off at that speed they will seriously injure themselves and possibly die.
If they know they cant stop and could die travelling at that speed, why the hell do they risk it?

stewygriffin wrote: »

Yep,when they blatantly cycle through all those red lights that everyone else stops for.

Cyclists guide to the road.........RED means just ignore the big red light and GO.:rolleyes:

Ah to be a cyclist eh....:pac::pac::pac:

There is a hell of a lot of that going on too.

legrand wrote: »

Grow up. Former biker (15+ years), like to think I understand road conditions, awareness of others, defensive as required. Also a cyclist, keep in a much as I safely can, ride single file on most cases. Yes I over take, you know like bikers need to on occasion. Also, having done a hill walk had walk part of Wicklow Gap road with my kids only to meet a f'ing k##t on a motor bike clocking over a ton, scrambled into the ditch. But hey he's a biker and that's okay he can do no wrong. Right?

That in my opinion is the correct way to cycle, keep left and single file. I saw none of that today.
Yeah you get the loud and proud brigade every sunday over the gap. They are dickheads.

Lumen

grahambo wrote: »

I cycle myself (commute). I keep as far left as I can, have the brightest lights and full hi vis etc.

Cycling on the extreme left is often a terrible idea. I'd have thought as a motorcyclist you'd know more about road positioning than that. :pac:

grahambo wrote: »

What I've noticed though is that even at low speed any sort of collision can be lethal, the brakes on push bikes arent worth a f**k. Even with the disks the tyres just lose grip especially in the wet. There is no way to stop, yet i see some people in the moring at full pelt on the long downhill road between rathgar and rathmines.
If they were to fall off at that speed they will seriously injure themselves and possibly die.
If they know they cant stop and could die travelling at that speed, why the hell do they risk it?

Cycling really isn't very dangerous. I've come off maybe 20 times in the last decade, the fastest crash was 53kph (in a race) and the worst injury I've had is road rash and that's wearing lycra.

The reason that motorcycling is so much more dangerous than cycling is that the risk of death or serious injury is highly correlated with speed (probably the square of speed), and 50kph just isn't very fast. You lose speed very quickly when hitting the tarmac at 50kph, so the chances of coming into contact with another vehicle or piece of road furniture is very low.

Anyway, I don't know why cyclists seem to wind up some motorcyclists so much (yes, I know there's some baiting in this thread from people who ride both). They're easy to overtake and as for the law breaking, find me a motorcyclist who sticks to the speed limit and I'll eat my back protector.

stewygriffin

D0NNELLY wrote: »

go on then, whats a burger bun?

Maybe he means burgman,or as i call it....my burgerman....lol


Handy àuld yoke for a chipper run too.

stewygriffin

Doing anything has risks involved.

Sure i nearly chocked on a tayto crisp there earlier on while watching Ireland get the equalizer.

I must have been doing at least 50kph from the sitting room to the kitchen sink for a glass of water. Thank god i didnt come into contact with any other objects or i might have gotten injured or scuffed my buttocks.

No red lights were broken though.

AndrewJRenko

grahambo wrote: »

The tandem cyclist moves out into the middle of the road, again hard to see from far away on the go pro. Yeah I'd plently of space to maneuver out of the way. But it was the failure to check over the shoulder, slow speed and irratic maneuver that got to me.

Just to clarify, he moved out to the middle of the lane, not the middle of the road. Certainly, a lifesaver check over the shoulder is always a good idea. Cyclists often have to adjust their position, or it could be a simple as a gust of wind pushing them out. That's why the RSA tell you to leave 1.5m when passing a cyclist, to allow for adjustments like this.

grahambo wrote: »

Sorry, when I say biggest Hazard, I mean an obstacle you are most likely to hit.

Is there really 160 cyclists dying each year?

If you think that you're likely to hit a cyclist, you need to adjust your riding style. No, there aren't 160 cyclists dying each year. About 3/4 of those killed on the roads are motorists, there is a good bunch of pedestrians and then a small number of cyclists 10-15 in recent years.

So cyclists are not the most likely things to be hit on the road.

grahambo wrote: »

I cycle myself (commute). I keep as far left as I can, have the brightest lights and full hi vis etc.
What I've noticed though is that even at low speed any sort of collision can be lethal, the brakes on push bikes arent worth a f**k. Even with the disks the tyres just lose grip especially in the wet. There is no way to stop, yet i see some people in the moring at full pelt on the long downhill road between rathgar and rathmines.
If they were to fall off at that speed they will seriously injure themselves and possibly die.
If they know they cant stop and could die travelling at that speed, why the hell do they risk it?

That in my opinion is the correct way to cycle, keep left and single file. I saw none of that today.
Yeah you get the loud and proud brigade every sunday over the gap. They are dickheads.

Honestly, if you can't stop your bike fairly sharply in urban traffic, you need to need to change your brakes or your tyres or both. I have disk brakes, and never have trouble stopping sharply, except maybe on extended steep descents where I might be going over 50 kmph. Otherwise, I can stop on a dime, even if I have to do a bit of manual ABSing to avoid a skid, by pushing the brakes on and off.

The correct way to cyclist is most definitely NOT left and single file. Keeping left encourages crap overtakes. The RSA tell cyclists to stay well out from the kerb, and reminds all road users that cyclists are as entitled to their road space as all other road users. Two abreast is legal, and it is often easier and safer to overtake two abreast than two in line.

The dickheads are those that are unable or unwilling to share the road nicely.

Pugzilla

If you look at the statistics, cycling is nearly as dangerous as motorcycling. People tend to underestimate the risk because it's so much more common here than motorcycling.

You can be seriously injured or killed from a motorbike crash at 40 km/h. Now try that again on a bicycle with likely no helmet or other protective gear.

Fighting Tao

Pugzilla wrote: »

If you look at the statistics, cycling is nearly as dangerous as motorcycling. People tend to underestimate the risk because it's so much more common here than motorcycling.

You can potentially die from a motorbike crash at 40 km/h. Now try that again on a bicycle with likely no helmet or other protective gear.

What stats are they? Deaths per billion km?

Grassey

Since when are cyclists classed as 'obstacles'? A neutral inanimate item?

Surely you mean people? As in 'the mother/father/son/daughter you are most likely to hit?'

Perhaps you'd have a better time not hitting cyclists if 'ALL' motorcyclists stopped using mandatory cycle lanes to weave through traffic and tailgate cyclists? Or stopped illegally using bus lanes?

Lumen

Pugzilla wrote: »

If you look at the statistics, cycling is nearly as dangerous as motorcycling. People tend to underestimate the risk because it's so much more common here than motorcycling.

Yes, per billion km cycling is "only" a quarter as lethal as motorcycling, but I'd guess that cyclists would tend to do a lot fewer kms than motorcyclists.

(UK stats but assume Irish risks would be similar)



edit: I think I can live with the risk of one death in 46 million km, since that's about 5,000 years for me.

duskyjoe

Wicklow Traffic: Road is closed from Laragh to Sallygap Cross Rd until further notice.

Uh oh......

Del2005

duskyjoe wrote: »

Wicklow Traffic: Road is closed from Laragh to Sallygap Cross Rd until further notice.

Uh oh......

That's not for an RTC, there was a body found.

GBX

duskyjoe wrote: »

Wicklow Traffic: Road is closed from Laragh to Sallygap Cross Rd until further notice.

Uh oh......

As much as you might like to blame the cyclists on that one, the fact they found a human torso up that way might have something to do with this.

Lumen

GBX wrote: »

As much as you might like to blame the cyclists on that one, the fact they found a human torso up that way might have something to do with this.

Possibly, but that was on the other side of the mountains, off Military Road in Enniskerry.

GBX

Lumen wrote: »

Possibly, but that was on the other side of the mountains, off Military Road in Enniskerry.

Ah ok ... Maybe his legs and arms are up the other way so

stewygriffin

GBX wrote: »

Ah ok ... Maybe his legs and arms are up the other way so

Thats exactly it,they just found more human remains this morning,about 20k away from where they found the torso.