Travellers terrorizing Circular Road.

Absolute Zero

A family has received a council house next to Roberts Hill (on the circular road). Since these people have moved in the area has been terrorized, Old people live right next door and they are being terrorized, afraid to leave their homes. Today I saw one of their offspring with a golf club hitting the wall of the neighbors homes, clearly attempting to terrify these elderly people. The guards have been called there multiple times but it's always a joke and a laugh.

up for anything

In the last week one of my lads was cycling down Bleach Road during the afternoon and a car full of middle-aged traveller men passed him and one of the lobbed a takeaway coffee at him which drenched him. Lucky it wasn't hot.

Then earlier this week in the wee hours my other boy was driving to MacDonalds and on the roundabout by Nowlan Park a group of about nine traveller twentysomethings passed him and one of the threw a capped full bottle of Budweiser at his car shattering the back passenger window and exploding in the car. Luckily neither him nor his front seat passenger got cut by the glass but anyone in the back seat would have had the head blown off them.

I'm normally a live and let live person but this has wound me up no end.

Terrorising elderly people is awful. Nobody wants to tangle with the <SNIP> though.

bertie4evr

up for anything wrote: »

In the last week one of my lads was cycling down Bleach Road during the afternoon and a car full of middle-aged traveller men passed him and one of the lobbed a takeaway coffee at him which drenched him. Lucky it wasn't hot.

Then earlier this week in the wee hours my other boy was driving to MacDonalds and on the roundabout by Nowlan Park a group of about nine traveller twentysomethings passed him and one of the threw a capped full bottle of Budweiser at his car shattering the back passenger window and exploding in the car. Luckily neither him nor his front seat passenger got cut by the glass but anyone in the back seat would have had the head blown off them.

I'm normally a live and let live person but this has wound me up no end.

Terrorising elderly people is awful. Nobody wants to tangle with the <SNIP> though.

The McDonald's spot is bad for that. Twice I've had things thrown at the car. They hide on the slope at the side of the ring road opposite the Toyota garage, so you can't see them until they pop up.

The first time was a tennis ball which startled me, but not too bad. The second one was a rock that bounced off the windscreen. Thankfully it didn't break or crack, the rock came from an angle so it wasn't straight on.

Absolute Zero

These people must think they are at war with the '"settled folk" and that is how I see it. I'd guess there must be close to 20 kids roaming the street from that house and they have those elderly neighbours absolutely terrified. Is this how we treat we are old folks here, they work all their lives and deserve peace and quiet. Instead they have these put next to them. I actualy felt my blood boil driving past, I had a good mind to get out and ring the twats neck. If they did that to my wall outside my house he wouldn't be walking home. These <SNIP> thrive by preying on the weak and vulnerable. When will we stand up to them?

Wheeliebin30

Unfortunately in this country noone will stand up to them expecially the law.

They are a law to themselves and settled people can do nothing about it.

Best advice is move. It's a battle that will never be won.

Gaspode

out & out bigotry and inflammatory remarks wont be tolerated. Stick to facts not sweeping generalisations

Somedude9

Wow...

bertie4evr

I love the ordinary decent people who suddenly turn into the Fourth Reich with the mention of travelers.

DickoHara

up for anything wrote: »

In the last week one of my lads was cycling down Bleach Road during the afternoon and a car full of middle-aged traveller men passed him and one of the lobbed a takeaway coffee at him which drenched him. Lucky it wasn't hot.

Then earlier this week in the wee hours my other boy was driving to MacDonalds and on the roundabout by Nowlan Park a group of about nine traveller twentysomethings passed him and one of the threw a capped full bottle of Budweiser at his car shattering the back passenger window and exploding in the car. Luckily neither him nor his front seat passenger got cut by the glass but anyone in the back seat would have had the head blown off them.

I'm normally a live and let live person but this has wound me up no end.

Terrorising elderly people is awful. Nobody wants to tangle with the <SNIP> though.

That is a no go area with them, they seem to think that's there patch , I have heard people saying even in st kierans cemetery people are getting haseled.

1984baby

I work in a retail shop in the city. Of all the people that come in, travellers are by far the worst group that we have constant trouble with. I don't blame the small kids, it's the parents. Those children are brought up that way and taught how to steal etc.. We have had 2/3 mothers come in suss out the place, see what they want to rob. Then a few hours later send in small children to rob.
Another example was that a couple of adults distracted us while 2 kids, aged about 4, robbed 3 poor boxes off the counter.
There is a huge problem with another family who've recently been moved into an apartment on Maudlin St. Rubbish dumped all over the place at night. Windows smashed on the adjacent apartments. They are making life hell for the rest of the residents.

Cabaal

Curious really, all the stories mentioned above.

Did the people these happened to report the incidents to the gardai straight away ? Or did you just go about your business?

boombang

Now I don't know what's been edited out of the previous post by the Mod, but I really feel uneasy when discussions like this get censored. I think people should be able to share their experiences and feelings on the issue frankly. I've a load of respect for the hard work Mods do and it seems we've still been able to read about people's experiences here, which is good. However, as long as people are talking about their own feelings from direct experience of anybody in society they should be free to explain how it makes them feel. I know there's a fine line between making discriminatory statements and freedom​ of expression, but the almost paranoid inability to talk honestly about this social group is part of the problem in Ireland IMO.

Those sound like horrible experiences. I hope the powers that be address them.

EmoCourt

Gaspode wrote: »

out & out bigotry and inflammatory remarks wont be tolerated. Stick to facts not sweeping generalisations

What do you mean by 'stick to the facts'. People are being terrorised in their home in Kilkenny. What facts do you want, other than first-hand accounts of the behavior of the SNIPS?

Sounds like a poorly veiled attempt by you to shut down the discussion Mr Mod.

I can provide dozens of FACTS about the snip community if you'd like, with citations included. How's that going to shut down the discussion though... hmm.

bertie4evr

EmoCourt wrote: »

What do you mean by 'stick to the facts'. People are being terrorised in their home in Kilkenny. What facts do you want, other than first-hand accounts of the behavior of the SNIPS?

Sounds like a poorly veiled attempt by you to shut down the discussion Mr Mod.

I can provide dozens of FACTS about the snip community if you'd like, with citations included. How's that going to shut down the discussion though... hmm.

I think calling for forced sterilisation and ethnic cleansing was the problem there. Nothing to do with with shutting down the discussion.

Gaspode

boombang wrote: »

Now I don't know what's been edited out of the previous post by the Mod, but I really feel uneasy when discussions like this get censored. I think people should be able to share their experiences and feelings on the issue frankly. I've a load of respect for the hard work Mods do and it seems we've still been able to read about people's experiences here, which is good. However, as long as people are talking about their own feelings from direct experience of anybody in society they should be free to explain how it makes them feel. I know there's a fine line between making discriminatory statements and freedom​ of expression, but the almost paranoid inability to talk honestly about this social group is part of the problem in Ireland IMO.

Those sound like horrible experiences. I hope the powers that be address them.

Not censored, moderated.

The same moderation would have been applied if we were talking about any other grouping of humans sharing a common trait or background regardless of what that group is.

It is eminently possible to discuss travellers or any other topic in an adult manner without resorting to name calling and advocating violence.

It is not unreasonable to expect adults to express their distaste or unhappiness about something without resorting to what some of the posters above resorted to.

Any further comments or discussion regarding moderation can be done by PM please.

_Brian

I think given their recent status upgrade travellers are being given a green light to up the anty on their "way of life".

I honestly feel for their neighbors but I think the answer is move away from them, you could try and stick it out in the hopes they'll move, but life is too short.

I would love to see some decent compromise where the social aspects of their lifestyle is accommodated but while they refuse to acknowledge the scale of the antisocial behaviours and address same nothing will improve.

The usual "it's a small minority" speech is trotted out by their representatives, and they close ranks.

If it were truly a small minority wouldn't you think they'd easily weed them out considering the nad press this "small minority" brings on them.

DickoHara

Cabaal wrote: »

Curious really, all the stories mentioned above.

Did the people these happened to report the incidents to the gardai straight away ? Or did you just go about your business?

Yes I reported an incident on the Hebron road one Sunday evening my wing mirror was been lashed at by a young lad, people wont except this also there was people been haseled in st kierans cemetery that was reported went to the kilkenny people.

Bushmanpm

Am I right in understanding the travellers are free to post here, like anybody else, to defend themselves and their actions? I look forward to see what they have to say, y'know, for purposes of balanced debate

fg1406

My friend is selling her house in Robertshill because of this family. Anything that isn't tied down has been lifted from her back garden. Everything reported to police but they won't do anything unless they catch them in the act.
I had a near miss on the circular road in February when one of the kids from the house threw a tricycle out onto the road right in front of my car. I was lucky there were no other vehicles coming as I had to swerve towards the ditch on the other side of The road to avoid hitting the trike. Part of me did wonder was he trying to stage a fake accident but I don't know...he was only about 10. I reported that to the cops too but they just seemed like they'd heard it all before and told me they'd send a car down there. Never heard anything since.

DjembaDjemba

Bushmanpm wrote: »

Am I right in understanding the travellers are free to post here, like anybody else, to defend themselves and their actions? I look forward to see what they have to say, y'know, for purposes of balanced debate

Somehow I don't think this will happen.. I don't think they're that advanced.

Comerman

A friend of mine in Robertshill had his bike stolen and noticed the eldest sibling of the "neighbours" riding it on the Circular Road and into the house, rang the gardai who said "we cannot just go in and accuse him of stealing the bike" friend said get a warrant then I want my bike back. 3 weeks later after hearing nothing from the cop he went in himself and took the bike out of the yard. Every single "incident" in and around Robertshill/Circular road is reported to the gardai and council but nothing is done. The council housing dept. were asked by resident associations and councillors not to place this family there because of their previous form but everyone was ignored and now they are in it's a bigger problem to move them on.

Absolute Zero

Somedude9 wrote: »

Wow...

Nice addition to the thread. Anything else you'd like to add or do you just troll these forums?

_Brian

fg1406 wrote: »

My friend is selling her house in Robertshill because of this family. Anything that isn't tied down has been lifted from her back garden. Everything reported to police but they won't do anything unless they catch them in the act.
I had a near miss on the circular road in February when one of the kids from the house threw a tricycle out onto the road right in front of my car. I was lucky there were no other vehicles coming as I had to swerve towards the ditch on the other side of The road to avoid hitting the trike. Part of me did wonder was he trying to stage a fake accident but I don't know...he was only about 10. I reported that to the cops too but they just seemed like they'd heard it all before and told me they'd send a car down there. Never heard anything since.

Your friend is dead right, life's too short.

Comerman

_Brian wrote: »

Your friend is dead right, life's too short.

His argument was if they can walk into my house and take it without prosecution then why can't I?

AnneFrank

If it's a council house, would enough complaints to the council from the public and gardai not evict them?

fg1406

AnneFrank wrote: »

If it's a council house, would enough complaints to the council from the public and gardai not evict them?

Citizens information site refers only to other LA tenants or Housing Association tenants affected by anti social behaviour. Can Joe Public make a complaint?

DickoHara

AnneFrank wrote: »

If it's a council house, would enough complaints to the council from the public and gardai not evict them?

are they not private houses there was problems there from the time they were built, if they are private rented out to the council and there was on going problems can you not go to the prtb make a complaint that way.

Comerman

DickoHara wrote:

are they not private houses there was problems there from the time they were built, if they are private rented out to the council and there was on going problems can you not go to the prtb make a complaint that way.

What house's?

DickoHara

Comerman wrote: »

What house's?

The houses in Roberts hill

Pkiernan

There is no legal solution to dealing with Traveller crime.
Gardai do nothing.
The Courts do nothing.
The politicians do nothing (yet idiot voters keep reelecting them).

You have 2 options . One is to move.

Comerman

A majority of the houses are privately owned and then there's rented, council and RAS in Robertshill but I must point out that the house in question is NOT in Robertshill but on the circular Road. It was a privately owned house the council purchased for e250, 000 and Done it up the neighbours have been living there all their lives. I'm in Robertshill 14 years and any trouble was mainly due to council tenants but I will say don't always believe what you hear ðŸ‘

DickoHara

Comerman wrote: »

A majority of the houses are privately owned and then there's rented, council and RAS in Robertshill but I must point out that the house in question is NOT in Robertshill but on the circular Road. It was a privately owned house the council purchased for e250, 000 and Done it up the neighbours have been living there all their lives. I'm in Robertshill 14 years and any trouble was mainly due to council tenants but I will say don't always believe what you hear ðŸ‘

I don't go by what I hear I see myself.

CeilingFly

Gaspode wrote: »

out & out bigotry and inflammatory remarks wont be tolerated. Stick to facts not sweeping generalisations

Fact - Travellers represent less than 0.5% of the general population.

Fact - Travellers represent in excess of 20% of the female prison population and 14% of the male population

Fact - Travellers are on average, 34 times more likely to be involved in indictable crimes than settled community.

Fact - Travellers in the main are a scourge on society.

pajo1981

bertie4evr wrote: »

I love the ordinary decent people who suddenly turn into the Fourth Reich with the mention of travelers.

Thats because they are scum. What do you want us to do, apologise for them? Fcking idiot.

Captain Havoc

Thread closed, I will review later

Supra lover 87

Drove past house three times on route to my friends house and each time stones have been thrown at my car by kids in house. The old couple next door have moved out and family members are minding the house iv been told by locals. I go to my Donald's at night around 00.30 and the kids are wondering around the car park begging for money and shouting abuse at people in cars and during the day they are throwing stones across the ring road at cars. Getting beyond a joke how they get away with where as if I did it I'd be in a world of trouble

road_high

Can't they bring in the riot squad or something to deal with these vermin? Ordinary Gardai clearly can't

Absolute Zero

Supra lover 87 wrote: »

Drove past house three times on route to my friends house and each time stones have been thrown at my car by kids in house. The old couple next door have moved out and family members are minding the house iv been told by locals. I go to my Donald's at night around 00.30 and the kids are wondering around the car park begging for money and shouting abuse at people in cars and during the day they are throwing stones across the ring road at cars. Getting beyond a joke how they get away with where as if I did it I'd be in a world of trouble

Nothing that can be done, they've everyone scared ****less of them. It's clear the house next door to them is now abandoned.

wally1990

Supra lover 87 wrote: »

Drove past house three times on route to my friends house and each time stones have been thrown at my car by kids in house. The old couple next door have moved out and family members are minding the house iv been told by locals. I go to my Donald's at night around 00.30 and the kids are wondering around the car park begging for money and shouting abuse at people in cars and during the day they are throwing stones across the ring road at cars. Getting beyond a joke how they get away with where as if I did it I'd be in a world of trouble

I actually f* cking hate knackers!!!

Society parasites who don't obey any laws and get handed stuff

No respect for anyone and all it's our culture ****e

God they make me angry

F*ck their rights

Your car could be damaged now and F all will happen !

Comerman

I've no time for this family but just want to say the "old couple next door" is a widower on his own and he hasn't moved out. The council are afraid of these people, they ruined every house they were given even burned one to the ground, terrorised every neighbour possible (they are very cute in their selection) and have turned this house into a mini petting zoo. They've got a caravan in the back for the son and tore down the new fence at the side to put a pony in on a council site but yet not one council official has the balls to say that's enough were moving you to the middle of a 40 acre wood and you can have all the animals you want and throw stones to your hearts content if thats your culture.

Shemale

Gardai cant touch them now cause it is racism.

Country is a joke the social welfare class get everything and can operate with impunity and if the rest of the finacially struggling working do anything the book gets thrown at us.

Comerman

Absolute Zero wrote: »

Nothing that can be done, they've everyone scared ****less of them. It's clear the house next door to them is now abandoned.

House is not abandoned, the man became a bit of a recluse after the death of his wife last year and the council shoving ****e in beside him didn't help and this is my biggest gripe, he can't have a life and the council spout the "everyone is entitled to a home" ****e. There's a few of us cleaning up the garden etc for him now.

Tipsy McSwagger

This thread will be locked just like the last one (still under review by the way) because Boards will not allow free speech.

Comerman

If people just give up the name calling and have a proper constructive thread about this problem then maybe it will be left open, we all seem to feel the same way anyway

draiochtanois

This post has been deleted.

miece16

its the liberal left that are afraid to face facts. you silence this for so long and people are going to explode as seen by the responses in this thread and the other one. i've had my car hit be a rock twice going past that particular house a few months back, thought i hit a stone in the road that somehow flicked up onto my car the first time but when it happened the second time right as i passed that house it was apparent what was going on. And by reading the other thread that it has happened to other people just confirms my FACTS even more.

I'm just waiting for the snip mods to come along and shut it down.
This country is gone soft with its liberal bull****

AnneFrank

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

This thread will be locked just like the last one (still under review by the way) because Boards will not allow free speech.

Free speech is one thing, using the racist names and aggressive overtones above is another.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Shemale wrote: »

Gardai cant touch them now cause it is racism.

Country is a joke the social welfare class get everything and can operate with impunity and if the rest of the finacially struggling working do anything the book gets thrown at us.

6 posts in and the attack on social welfare recipients begins. The OP is talking about members of the travelling community. How have you made the connection exactly?

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

This thread will be locked just like the last one (still under review by the way) because Boards will not allow free speech.

It's a private site which can dictate exactly what is and is not said. Hate speech is not free speech. There's a difference. Then to be labelled a liberal because you don't agree with the vehement hatred shown by others.

If there's some trouble makers, call the Gardai, continue to do so and record your contacts. Get your neighbours to do the same. Every single time there's an offense committed. Organize community meetings, and write to your local politicians. Hound them for change.

Tipsy McSwagger

Gunnar Massive Radial wrote: »

6 posts in and the attack on social welfare recipients begins. The OP is talking about members of the travelling community. How have you made the connection exactly?



It's a private site which can dictate exactly what is and is not said. Hate speech is not free speech. There's a difference. Then to be labelled a liberal because you don't agree with the vehement hatred shown by others.

If there's some trouble makers, call the Gardai, continue to do so and record your contacts. Get your neighbours to do the same. Every single time there's an offense committed. Organize community meetings, and write to your local politicians. Hound them for change.

Take your head out of the sand. The Guards won't do anything and either will the politicians since this bunch are now a minority. I'd say you have had fcuk all contact with travellers judging by your idiotic post.

boombang

Comerman wrote: »

If people just give up the name calling and have a proper constructive thread about this problem then maybe it will be left open, we all seem to feel the same way anyway

+1

Let's keep this thread open by keeping it civil and honest. I don't think people need to censor their experiences or opinions, but if people can keep the language measured, then maybe there's scope for some useful learning and self-expression.

Tipsy McSwagger

AnneFrank wrote: »

Free speech is one thing, using the racist names and aggressive overtones above is another.

Sure ban people then and leave the thread open.