little boy almost drowns.

Imallrightjack

this is pretty hard to watch so be warned.(well i found it disturbing anyway)

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/06/09/10/10/boy-almost-drowns-in-pool-helsinki-finland

i cannot believe the mother got away with only a fine and suspended sentence she should have been jailed.
how in the name of god did no one notice that it was going on.he passed inches away from adults.even if they grabbed him in the wrong it would have saved him.jesus.

Your Face

We're importing the outrage now.

frozenfrozen

i'm not going to watch that but sounds grim from reading the article.. everyone should be keeping an eye out for children in pools. obviously the parent shouldn't have taken an eye off the child but people standing behind him struggling to get out of the pool ffs

mikeybrennan

Cant be bothered watching

Beta Ray Bill

The stupidity and total disengagement of some people is a Joke.

Your man walks right by him, clearly he's in trouble.

And where the **** are his parents?!
Why the **** is he in a pool on his own when he cant swim?!

That was difficult to watch. (Mod's, might be an idea to add a warning)

Pelvis

frozenfrozen wrote: »

i'm not going to watch that but sounds grim from reading the article.. everyone should be keeping an eye out for children in pools. obviously the parent shouldn't have taken an eye off the child but people standing behind him struggling to get out of the pool ffs

I haven't watched the video but I assume the people near him aren't actually standing there looking at him struggling?

While the sentiment is nice, it's not my responsibility to keep an eye out for other people's children, yes of course people should intervene when possible but I can't lay blame to anyone who simple hasn't noticed that something is happening.

I love Sean nos

Your Face wrote: »

We're importing the outrage now.

From Finland. Via an Australian website.

pilly

Ah would ya stop, he looks like he's playing in the water.

No-ones fault but the mothers.

Beta Ray Bill

Pelvis wrote: »

I haven't watched the video but I assume the people near him aren't actually standing there looking at him struggling?

one man is literally 2 foot away from him and walks past within six inches of him.

I love Sean nos

grahambo wrote: »

one man is literally 2 foot away from him and walks past with six inches of him.

Sounds inappropriate.

bucketybuck

pilly wrote: »

Ah would ya stop, he looks like he's playing in the water.

For the longest time watching that I thought it looked like a kid messing about in the water, he was doing these weird little backflips for gods sake. Then you had a woman staring straight at him as if trying to decide if he was in trouble or what, before moving away, so I suspect at ground level things appeared a little different than the headline suggests.

It isn't China after all, the Fins aren't exactly known for ignoring people in trouble.

Alun

grahambo wrote: »

Your man walks right by him, clearly he's in trouble.

Whilst you may like to think that you see, and absorb, everything going on around you, due to the way the eyes and the visual processing part of the brain works that isn't always the case. A lot of what you "see" is made up by your brain, filled in with what you would expect to see rather than what's really there. If your brain was really asked to analyze every single 'pixel' of visual information coming into it it'd be unable to keep up.

There have been experiments done in the US where fake violent assaults were staged very close to where joggers were passing by at regular intervals. They were stopped further on and asked if they'd seen anything out of the ordinary and most of them said no. A few saw something but it didn't really trigger a response. AFAIR nobody actually stopped and offered assistance.

Also magicians rely on this phenomenon for their acts.

andekwarhola

Kid looks like he's splashing around and apparently when people are drowning, they can't call out because they're struggling for breath.

I'm actually just back from a family holiday and I was pretty paranoid about watching the kids in the pool as I'd thought the same as above, how similar difficulties might look to messing and splashing around.

It's the person responsible for looking after him that's at fault, nobody else.

TerrorFirmer

It looks a lot like he's just messing around in the pool for most of it to be fair.

andekwarhola

grahambo wrote: »

one man is literally 2 foot away from him and walks past with six inches of him.

Are we suggesting that a bunch of adults are deliberately letting a child drown to save 4-5 seconds of effort?

frozenfrozen

Pelvis wrote: »

I haven't watched the video but I assume the people near him aren't actually standing there looking at him struggling?

While the sentiment is nice, it's not my responsibility to keep an eye out for other people's children, yes of course people should intervene when possible but I can't lay blame to anyone who simple hasn't noticed that something is happening.

When neither of us have watched it there's no point even discussing this point really

lawred2

That was hard to watch. Amazing how long the process took and yet the lad still survived.

Not the seconds movies would have you believe

Kimbot

Pelvis wrote: »

I haven't watched the video but I assume the people near him aren't actually standing there looking at him struggling?

While the sentiment is nice, it's not my responsibility to keep an eye out for other people's children, yes of course people should intervene when possible but I can't lay blame to anyone who simple hasn't noticed that something is happening.

I watched it, for the first minute it looks like he is playing, doing flips etc but appears to be struggling slightly to get his head out of the water. After that it turns grim, he is floating there while people walk past and its clear to see that something is not right with him. The mother should have had the book thrown at her for this one. Poor child.

bucketybuck

andekwarhola wrote: »

Are we suggesting that a bunch of adults are deliberately letting a child drown to save 4-5 seconds of effort?

Just think as well, at the start the kid looked like a lot of kids do when they are messing around in the pool, but if the man closest to him had known the boy was struggling he would have had to grab him and lift him out of the water.

Can you imagine the backlash against a grown man going around touching/lifting young boys who were actually just happily playing away in the water...

I don't think consideration of that was in play here at all, but it is a shame that such considerations might delay men from acting in such cases in future.

Minderbinder

lawred2 wrote: »

That was hard to watch. Amazing how long the process took and yet the lad still survived.

Not the seconds movies would have you believe

Reminded me of the second little mouse in Catch Me If You Can.

This happened in China a few months ago where the mother was playing on her phone in the pool and her child drowned behind her.

cruizer101

Watched the video, it is surprising how many people seem to ignore him but at stages it does look like he is just messing around in the water. I would think the swimming pool should probably be fined also, lifeguards should be on the look out for situations like that, he is lying face down not moving for a long enough period. I don't mean in anyway to pass the blame from mother to pool, but do think they have some responsibility.

I know its not Ireland but swimming really should be part of the primary ciricullum, something like 120 drown every year in Ireland, some of which could definitely be prevented if everyone learned how to swim.

OneOfThem Stumbled

People literally are bumping into him as he is face down unconscious. :eek:

And the guy just takes a look at him drowning!

On the other hand as a guy you wouldn't want to help unless you were 100% certain that he was actually drowning and not playing. Then again, I'm surprised that none of the women gave him a hand.

retro:electro

God, that was tough to watch, especially the end. I don't think it's fair to blame the people for not recognising he was in trouble- they could have easily thought he was messing. I can't fathom how nobody saw his body floating around though? I lay all the blame at the mothers feet. Stupid idiot. He's very lucky he survived, at the end he looks like he's a gonner.

Murrisk

Not watching that video! :eek:

pilly

anna080 wrote: »

God, that was tough to watch, especially the end. I don't think it's fair to blame the people for not recognising he was in trouble- they could have easily thought he was messing. I can't fathom how nobody saw his body floating around though? I lay all the blame at the mothers feet. Stupid idiot. He's very lucky he survived, at the end he looks like he's a gonner.

Yeah but kids do play like that too, or at least I used to when I was kid, just float like a starfish.

retro:electro

pilly wrote: »

Yeah but kids do play like that too, or at least I used to when I was kid, just float like a starfish.

I did that too but my body would be turned up the way. Not face down in the pool where I can't breathe.

pilly

anna080 wrote: »

I did that too but my body would be turned up the way. Not face down in the pool where I can't breathe.

I was excellent at holding my breath. Used to swim lengths underwater.

jester77

Hope he's being monitored, got to watch out for dry/secondary (always get them mixed up) drowning, could happen even 1 week later.

pilly

jester77 wrote: »

Hope he's being monitored, got to watch out for dry drowning, could happen even 1 week later.

Jesus. :eek:

Omackeral

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Cant be bothered watching

Thanks for that.

Fr_Dougal

Parents fault, 100%.

Kimbot

mikeybrennan wrote: »

Cant be bothered watching

Then don't bother commenting.

Atoms for Peace

A dingo ate my baby!

ScrubsfanChris

This is "almost" news
Slow day OP?

Imallrightjack

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

This is "almost" news
Slow day OP?

No not really I'm up to my tits.but i wanted to import a bit of outrage.:)
The mother was ln the sauna and told him to stay in the shallow end.i presume ye read that.
Its crazy.

Irish Guitarist

For the first couple of minutes he looks like he's messing around. He even does some impressive acrobatics. If I saw him I probably wouldn't notice he was in trouble. I honestly doubt that many people knowingly swam past a drowning four year old.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

frozenfrozen wrote: »

i'm not going to watch that but sounds grim from reading the article.. everyone should be keeping an eye out for children in pools. obviously the parent shouldn't have taken an eye off the child but people standing behind him struggling to get out of the pool ffs

No, no they shouldn't. I, and most others, don't go to the swimming pool to look after strange kids. If somebody is in distress, you obviously help them, but nobody should be keeping an eye on strange kids at the pool.

grahambo wrote: »

The stupidity and total disengagement of some people is a Joke.

Oh the outrage.

Nothing to do with IQ at all, and "disengagement" implies a conscious decision was made to not get involved in the situation, which is incorrect. Sensationalist much?

Your man walks right by him, clearly he's in trouble.

Clearly, because it's the title of the OP, but if you were standing beside that kid, you wouldn't have noticed either

Beyondgone

The child didn't drown, he almost drowned. The parent got prosecuted..probably rightly. I dunno but a recent, closer to home event springs to mind. With a worse outcome for the child.. Nulle prosecue was the choice here..Cultural differences?

Doyler92

I haven't read any of the comments in this thread but my ex-gf passed away after drowning and I can't imagine anyone who posted any of the comments at the start of this thread has been involved with anybody drowning first hand!

Silverfish

Good article here that everyone should be aware of.
Drowning doesnt look like drowning

Beyondgone

Doyler92 wrote: »

I haven't read any of the comments in this thread but my ex-gf passed away after drowning and I can't imagine anyone who posted any of the comments at the start of this thread has been involved with anybody drowning first hand!

I too am outraged. A close mate of mine died by choking on a Rolo. There's people on here commenting frivolously about chocolate. It disgusts me. They have no idea.

Canis Lupus

I think people should watch the video. It's grim but it could save a life if you can spot the difference between a kid having fun vs being in trouble.

Zillah

The mother is an idiot but the people around him are hardly better. It only looks like playing for a second, he is obviously desperately trying to get his head above water. People get within inches of him while he floats a couple inches below the surface flapping feebly. One man seems to look at him for a while, and during that period the kid doesn't manage to get a single breath, and then he wanders off.

At the end he spends a couple minutes floating face down unconcious in the water, totally limp while people pass within inches of him. A few glance at him curiously but it doesn't dawn on them what is happening.

He literally bumped into the woman who eventually helped him.

Imbeciles, the lot of them.

BorneTobyWilde

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I think people should watch the video. It's grim but it could save a life if you can spot the difference between a kid having fun vs being in trouble.

Anyone with a brain would know a kid messing would have to at some point come up for air.
I would have noticed, I notice a lot that others don't.

jackboy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Anyone with a brain would know a kid messing would have to at some point come up for air.
I would have noticed, I notice a lot that others don't.

The disturbing thing is that several people did seem to notice and they just left the area as they didn't want to get involved.

jackboy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Anyone with a brain would know a kid messing would have to at some point come up for air.
I would have noticed, I notice a lot that others don't.

The disturbing thing is that several people did seem to notice and they just left the area as they didn't want to get involved.

fishy_fishy

Pelvis wrote: »

I haven't watched the video but I assume the people near him aren't actually standing there looking at him struggling?

Yep, that's actually exactly what they're doing.

There's a woman who the kid is struggling to get to. She looks at him suspiciously. During that time he's vertical in the water and his head is barely at the surface. He's visibly struggling alright and she's looking at him like he's a nuisance.

Then his body goes limp. He floats around limp and face down for minutes. People walk past and look at him lying face down and just carry on.

It is EVERYONE'S responsibility to look out for other swimmers, especially children. That doesn't mean gawping at children inappropriately, it means if you see someone face down have a look. Do they come up for air? No? Look a while longer. Still not coming up for air? Still? Nudge them? No movement? They're drowning...
It means if you see someone vertical in the water (someone being vertical and out of their depth is an indication of distress) and their head is only barely out of the water enough to catch a breath sporadically, you don't just move away. If it doesn't look right - it quite possibly isn't right. Call the lifeguard.

DO SOMETHING.

Yes, the mother is to blame here. But a lot of people saw that kid and looked away.

keith_sixteen

Zillah wrote: »

Imbeciles, the lot of them.

Very easy to be judgmental when everything is laid out for you on camera.

I know I go to a pool regularly and it's quite packed. I don't pay the slightest bit of attention to other kids except my own. I certainly wouldn't have noticed this shitbag kid drowning. Then again, why should I?

Where were the lifeguards or parents of this kid? Are they not the real imbeciles here?

soap1978

keith_sixteen wrote: »

Very easy to be judgmental when everything is laid out for you on camera.

I know I go to a pool regularly and it's quite packed. I don't pay the slightest bit of attention to other kids except my own. I certainly wouldn't have noticed this shitbag kid drowning. Then again, why should I?

Where were the lifeguards or parents of this kid? Are they not the real imbeciles here?

THIS ****bag kid,what do u mean by that

fishy_fishy

keith_sixteen wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't have noticed this shitbag kid drowning. Then again, why should I?

Where were the lifeguards or parents of this kid? Are they not the real imbeciles here?

If a 4 year old floated lifelessly towards you, almost bumping into you, never coming up for air, you would just call him a "shitbag kid" and ignore him?

He's a child, he's a human being. He's 4 years old and nobody else was looking out for him when he was struggling for air.

Yes, you're right. Where were the lifeguards and parents?

But that doesn't make it right to ignore a kid who's floating around almost dead.

keith_sixteen

soap1978 wrote: »

THIS ****bag kid,what do u mean by that

I mean exactly that. Going to the pool is a bit of a chore for most people and it's hard enough to deal with their own kids.

Especially so for this kids parents who were off chilaxing in the sauna.

I am not surprised nobody paid attention to him. For most of the clip it just looks like a normal kid splashing about and I certainly wouldn't have recognised he was drowning - mostly because I am completely focused on my own kids.