Landlord won't change address

Ultimate Seduction

Moved in to a place in January, paying over market value for a less than nice rural house. After first week here I received around 15 letters, for a mixture of landlord, he's sons daughters brothers and sister. I asked for his address so I could post them to him and asked him to change he's address.
He declined and decided to call for it. Long story short, he calls every two weeks looking for the post for all his family members.
I told him two weeks ago that I was getting fed up of all this post so now he wants to build a little steel box outside so I can put all the post into every Saturday.

This may seem like a small inconvenience to some but it really annoys me, I feel I'm paying enough rent to enjoy a peacefull dwelling? We are not registered with the PRTB and I feel there must be a reason he flat out refused to change his address or give me his current address.

What can I do about this situation?

I love Sean nos

Write "not known at this address" on it and pop it in the nearest postbox.

gizmo81

Sorry to hear this. It's very frustrating having to live with the landlord hovering around your home.

You are entitled to quiet and exclusive enjoyment of your home. If noise from other tenants or neighbours is disturbing you, ask them to stop and also inform your landlord. If this does not work, you can make a formal complaint.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/tenants_rights_and_obligations.html

I'd make a formal complaint to the RTB, and they can also judge the market value of the property.

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Moved in to a place in January, paying over market value for a less than nice rural house. After first week here I received around 15 letters, for a mixture of landlord, he's sons daughters brothers and sister. I asked for his address so I could post them to him and asked him to change he's address.
He declined and decided to call for it. Long story short, he calls every two weeks looking for the post for all his family members.
I told him two weeks ago that I was getting fed up of all this post so now he wants to build a little steel box outside so I can put all the post into every Saturday.

This may seem like a small inconvenience to some but it really annoys me, I feel I'm paying enough rent to enjoy a peacefull dwelling? We are not registered with the PRTB and I feel there must be a reason he flat out refused to change his address or give me his current address.

What can I do about this situation?

Ultimate Seduction

I love Sean nos wrote:

Write "not known at this address" on it and pop it in the nearest postbox.

I did just that over a month ago. "Not known at this address, return to sender" but they still keep flowing. About 10-15 letters a week. Car tax renewals, Revenue letters, bank statements.

All his family are moved around the country and world.

sKeith

Put one line through the name and address on the envelope. Write "not at this address", and pop them back into a post box.

Ultimate Seduction

gizmo81 wrote:

You are entitled to quiet and exclusive enjoyment of your home. If noise from other tenants or neighbours is disturbing you, ask them to stop and also inform your landlord. If this does not work, you can make a formal complaint.

gizmo81 wrote:

I'd make a formal complaint to the RTB, and they can also judge the market value of the property.

It has nothing to do with noise. Happy here other than the post issue.

We are not registered with the RTB.

jamesthepeach

Burn them and if he asks about them just say you never saw it.

Ultimate Seduction

jamesthepeach wrote:

Burn them and if he asks about them just say you never saw it.

Isn't that illegal? I don't want to draw any trouble on myself and don't want to get evicted as I like the area and houses are scarce.

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C3PO

sKeith wrote: »

Put one line through the name and address on the envelope. Write "not at this address", and pop them back into a post box.

Before taking the advice above I wonder could you talk to him, explain that you don't want this to continue and ask him to arrange that the local post office either redirects or keeps his post for him?

If he refuses then ... ^^^

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I love Sean nos

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I did just that over a month ago. "Not known at this address, return to sender" but they still keep flowing. About 10-15 letters a week. Car tax renewals, Revenue letters, bank statements.

All his family are moved around the country and world.

Try the nearest bin then or put them up the chimney.

gizmo81

Peaceful and exclusive enjoyment is not just to do with noise.

It's up to you, I wouldn't have the landlord visiting my home every week.

He obviously has no understanding of the RTA 2004.

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

It has nothing to do with noise. Happy here other than the post issue.

We are not registered with the RTB.

Ultimate Seduction

C3PO wrote:

Before taking the advice above I wonder could you talk to him, explain that you don't want this to continue and ask him to arrange that the local post office either redirects or keeps his post for him?

As stated in the OP , I said this to him after a few weeks. I said it again recently and now he wants to put a steel box outside that I put his post into.

Pawwed Rig

Why are you paying above market value? That doesn't make sense.

Re the mail it annoys the hell out of me too. We been in our house 15 months and the previous tenant pops up periodically to collect post. Never mind the fact that they can use these letters as 'proof' that they are living in our house.

ED E

Do you know if the property has a mortgage against it. Sometimes landlords will pretend to be resident to protect a distressed property from the bank, if its their PPR its hard to recover. Just something to be aware of in case you find him to be evicted. You'll know if you get bank statements in the door.


Otherwise have a chat with the Postman himself and ask him not to deliver that mail.

I love Sean nos

C3PO wrote: »

ask him to arrange that the local post office either redirects or keeps his post for him?

Can you call to the post office and tell them that this chancer doesn't live at your address?

Sterling Archer

We used to get letters ever month for the previous tenants, they called ever so often for them (they moved a few doors down) We popped, "not known at address" and crossed out the address, popped them into the letter box, they've stopped coming now , I'd do the same in your case, if no mail comes it's not your fault

Ultimate Seduction

If it was only previous tennants id have no problem telling them straight up that I will bin any letters but this is the owner of the house and his family members. We are the first tennants to rent his former family home. He has two other rentals that I know of.

Some of the post for his brother is named to his haulage company, said brother hasn't lived here for 25 years.

jimmycrackcorm

I love Sean nos wrote:

Try the nearest bin then or put them up the chimney.

It's a fine up to 75k or up to 5 years in jail to interfere with someone's post.

Write addressee unknown and pop in post box.

Ultimate Seduction

jimmycrackcorm wrote:

Write addressee unknown and pop in post box.

I did that over a month ago with a revenue letter, they still flying in the door

I love Sean nos

ED E wrote: »

Do you know if the property has a mortgage against it. Sometimes landlords will pretend to be resident to protect a distressed property from the bank, if its their PPR its hard to recover. Just something to be aware of in case you find him to be evicted. You'll know if you get bank statements in the door.

It's a red flag all right, along with the lack of RTB registration.

Ultimate Seduction

I don't think this house has a mortgage, I'm almost certain it doesn't as his father owned it originally so it's in the family 80 odd years.

I've never seen anyone receive so many revenue letters, especially named in the brothers haulage company. Maybe he's business is morgaged with this address or something crazy?

seamus

Paying above market rent, not registered with the RTB and landlord is getting all his post at that address.

Stinks tbh and as a renter you shouldn't put up with that nonsense.

Wait until you've been there six months and then register yourself with the RTB. After six months have passed you have security of tenure and cannot be evicted except in accordance with the law.

Until then get a load of stickers printed up with "Unknown at this address" on them, stick them on whatever comes in the door, and then lash them in the nearest postbox whenever you go out.

emeldc

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's a fine up to 75k or up to 5 years in jail to interfere with someone's post.

Write addressee unknown and pop in post box.

If you burn them there's no evidence

Ultimate Seduction

seamus wrote:

Paying above market rent, not registered with the RTB and landlord is getting all his post at that address.

seamus wrote:

Stinks tbh and as a renter you shouldn't put up with that nonsense.

seamus wrote:

Wait until you've been there six months and then register yourself with the RTB. After six months have passed you have security of tenure and cannot be evicted except in accordance with the law.

seamus wrote:

Until then get a load of stickers printed up with "Unknown at this address" on them, stick them on whatever comes in the door, and then lash them in the nearest postbox whenever you go out.

Thanks for that. Very helpfull. I'm just afraid to rock the boat and get evicted. I will wait untill the 6 months are up so.

We only got a 6 month lease, typed out on an a4 page 😕

jamesthepeach

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Isn't that illegal? I don't want to draw any trouble on myself and don't want to get evicted as I like the area and houses are scarce.

Only if you admit you did it

Ultimate Seduction

Is there anyway I can find out if my landlord and the brothers haulage company are tax compliant or are up to some sort of trick? If I find this to be the case I would report it and move out immediately.

Baby01032012

Looking into that would a) be none of your business as it has nothing to do with the letting of the property b) how would it help you? moving out wont help you as you said you like the property and there are few available in that rural area...just speak to landlord again and make it clear your dislike of his post coming to the house and if no joy, write return to sender until he gets the message.

I love Sean nos

Baby01032012 wrote: »

Looking into that would a) be none of your business as it has nothing to do with the letting of the property

Tax compliance is everyone's business.

_Brian

People have given tue solution.
Just keep returning them "not known at this address", they will stop, just tell landlord they stopped coming.

Funny the difference, I hate having to call to tue rented property, had to bring a tradesman few months back and couldn't wait to get away. When they're there it's their house.

Baby01032012

Personal tax compliance is each individuals business..ensuring that every assessable person is tax compliant is Revenue's business.

Ultimate Seduction

Baby01032012 wrote:

Looking into that would a) be none of your business as it has nothing to do with the letting of the property b) how would it help you? moving out wont help you as you said you like the property and there are few available in that rural area...just speak to landlord again and make it clear your dislike of his post coming to the house and if no joy, write return to sender until he gets the message.

Of course it's my business! Would you be happy if your employer never paid a cent of income tax out of your wages yet paid you as if you were. I don't wish to aid tax avoidance if I can help it.

I've returned letters and spoke to the landlord, neither worked, that's why I'm here looking for advice.

paulpd

Baby01032012 wrote: »

Personal tax compliance is each individuals business..ensuring that every assessable person is tax compliant is Revenue's business.

Then why do many businesses insist on evidence of tax clearance being issued before engaging with a potential supplier?

sKeith

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Of course it's my business! Would you be happy if your employer never paid a cent of income tax out of your wages yet paid you as if you were. I don't wish to aid tax avoidance if I can help it.

I've returned letters and spoke to the landlord, neither worked, that's why I'm here looking for advice.

Patience, you admitted that you have not been there even 6 months yet. It can take a few months for the mail to dry up. Make sure to do returns to every piece of mail, if you give over a letter to landlord, then it will continue to come as business never got it back to tell them not to send to that address again.

I love Sean nos

_Brian wrote: »

People have given tue solution.
Just keep returning them "not known at this address", they will stop, just tell landlord they stopped coming.

If the post comes back after being marked "not at this address" by you, escalate the situation. Something like "Are you stupid, they don't live here. Twat." Put back in the postbox. Repeat as often as necessary.

runawaybishop

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Is there anyway I can find out if my landlord and the brothers haulage company are tax compliant or are up to some sort of trick? If I find this to be the case I would report it and move out immediately.

You don't need to find out if they are tax complaint, thats revenues job. If you think they are not then report them to revenue.

Ultimate Seduction

runawaybishop wrote:

You don't need to find out if they are tax complaint, thats revenues job. If you think they are not then report them to revenue.

I do need to find out. If he is not paying tax in the property then he is committing fraud with MY money.

The more I've posted here, the more I realise there is something very shady going on.

Baby01032012

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Baby01032012 wrote:

Looking into that would a) be none of your business as it has nothing to do with the letting of the property b) how would it help you? moving out wont help you as you said you like the property and there are few available in that rural area...just speak to landlord again and make it clear your dislike of his post coming to the house and if no joy, write return to sender until he gets the message.

Of course it's my business!  Would you be happy if your employer never paid a cent of income tax out of your wages yet paid you as if you were. I don't wish to aid tax avoidance if I can help it.

I've returned letters and spoke to the landlord, neither worked, that's why I'm here looking for advice.

But youre not an employee of the company..you have no vested interest in the company....dont balls it up OP

Ultimate Seduction

Baby01032012 wrote:

But youre not an employee of the company..you have no vested interest in the company....dont balls it up OP

I really shouldn't be replying to you, but if I see a woman get mugged down the street, Id have no vested intrest in reporting it, but I still would. A crime should be reported.

runawaybishop

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I do need to find out. If he is not paying tax in the property then he is committing fraud with MY money.

The more I've posted here, the more I realise there is something very shady going on.

You seem to have misread or misunderstood my post. Revenue will investigate him and ensure he is tax complaint. You don't need to do anything except report him. And probably look for a new place to live.

pc7

If you are only there a few months it may not yet show on RTB, they can be slow sometimes to show.

Baby01032012

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Baby01032012 wrote:

But youre not an employee of the company..you have no vested interest in the company....dont balls it up OP

I really shouldn't be replying to you, but if I see a woman get mugged down the street, Id have no vested intrest in reporting it, but I still would. A crime should be reported.

But in the example you give youve witnessed something...a woman getting mugged...you have 0 knowledge of anything ontoward going on with your landlords brothers business...no facts what so ever...other than post coming there...maybe that house is the registered address of the company...you might wax lyrical about being non tax compliant but youve no evidence

emeldc

I'm just afraid to rock the boat and get evicted. I will wait untill the 6 months are up so.

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I do need to find out. If he is not paying tax in the property then he is committing fraud with MY money.

A bit of pot and kettle in there if you ask me. If you're so sure about all this tax fraud, just go ahead and report him now, but stand by to get focked out.

jimmycrackcorm

emeldc wrote:

If you burn them there's no evidence

But we know what you did last post day

BlinkingLights

It's actually misrepresenting yourself to use an address that isn't your residence on all sorts of things from bank accounts to taxation documents.

This is basically a form of identity fraud no matter what way the landlord might see it.

Cross off the address on the unopened mail and write return to sender.
The various companies and government agencies can sometimes take a while to cop on that the address is invalid as they usually have to get processed by a mailroom somewhere.

They'll often contact the addressee though to clarify what's going on or, may even suspend things like credit cards.

Baby01032012

But the landlord owns the house albeit they are not living there...it makes no difference to the senders what the correspondance address is.

BabySlam

BlinkingLights wrote: »

It's actually misrepresenting yourself to use an address that isn't your residence on all sorts of things from bank accounts to taxation documents.

This is basically a form of identity fraud no matter what way the landlord might see it.

Cross off the address on the unopened mail and write return to sender.
The various companies and government agencies can sometimes take a while to cop on that the address is invalid as they usually have to get processed by a mailroom somewhere.

They'll often contact the addressee though to clarify what's going on or, may even suspend things like credit cards.

I think this is incorrect - students away all year don't commit identity fraud.

seamus

I have no idea why it's such a big deal to put them in the post box he is proposing. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest to do it.

seamus wrote: »

Until then get a load of stickers printed up with "Unknown at this address" on them, stick them on whatever comes in the door, and then lash them in the nearest postbox whenever you go out.

A rural post man will likely know the ops LL and will ask him what's up and will probably ignore this sort of stuff if he is told to.

BlinkingLights wrote: »

It's actually misrepresenting yourself to use an address that isn't your residence on all sorts of things from bank accounts to taxation documents.

This is basically a form of identity fraud no matter what way the landlord might see it.

Cross off the address on the unopened mail and write return to sender.
The various companies and government agencies can sometimes take a while to cop on that the address is invalid as they usually have to get processed by a mailroom somewhere.

They'll often contact the addressee though to clarify what's going on or, may even suspend things like credit cards.

Nonsense imo. I've moved out of home about 7 years ago but I still address everything there from revenue to bank accounts to car ownership docs as I've no interest in having any of it sent to rental address and all the hassle of moving it on again or the risk of it going missing etc. It will also be where I'll most likely be living again (no house numbers in rural areas so even if I built a new house in the area the address would stay the same).

Gazzmonkey

emeldc wrote: »

If you burn them there's no evidence

I've lost count of the letters sent up the chimney, only solution is to incinerate and forget

When grate is full, toss cooled ashes over hedge into forest into wheelie bin

selous

You keep returning them, they'll keep coming back, unless they're stopped at the delivery office,(the middle man) companies just print them off and send them out regardless. I was the same once, getting letters for someone else, so I put "Deceased" on some of them and returned them, didn't work, and one company sent another one back some weeks later.......
John Smith.....Deceased, for feck sake.