EV newspaper article

KCross

30% of motorists likely to go electric when buying their next car:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/30-of-motorists-likely-to-go-electric-when-buying-their-next-car-792359.html

I find it hard to believe that even 30% know about EV's not to mind 30% "likely to buy"!

Calahonda52

Kc, ever since reading this book

http://www.easons.com/p-4582358-tools-of-titans.aspx?gclid=CKaplv_EpNQCFa677Qod7TsByg


I no longer read the newspapers for articles such as this as all they are selling is fear or bs, looking for click bait

However since it came recommended (just kidding) I had a peep
second line

A new study by the AA shows that a lack of charging facilities and doubts over effective mileage are the main concerns among those unlikely to switch to a hybrid or electric vehicle.

My emphasis
nuff said

Water John

Well, this survey is heartening news, as nearly 60% would consider one.

http://www.thejournal.ie/electric-car-but-poll-3426681-Jun2017/

That's real progress. Very positive, no need for pessimism, as some are on EV threads.

Gumbo

Older guys in work won't stop talking about them nowadays.
One was readt to buy a new insignia this year, now he is holding off to see what EV is available next year and he is considering brand new now.

He is keeping a close eye on all these news articles.

DrPhilG

Certainly doesn't match up with my own experience. Very few that I know would think twice about it and me being an EV driver is greeted with surprise and often scorn.

There is only one other EV driver in my workplace and he isn't that keen. He drives a Zoe and says he gets barely 60 miles to a charge.

man_no_plan

kceire wrote: »

Older guys in work won't stop talking about them nowadays.
One was readt to buy a new insignia this year, now he is holding off to see what EV is available next year and he is considering brand new now.

He is keeping a close eye on all these news articles.

Was talking to a taxi man, in his fifties id say, the other day with an avensis. Says his next car will def be electric, was all talk about the ioniq.Had a good chat about them with him.

In work a couple of the lads said they'd definitely look at them the next time they're changing. They'd all be under 35.

I was surprised really. I've been lurking here for a good while and reading up on general. When I landed in with the test drive car there was plenty of interest and chit chat, a few knew a good bit about them.

The most poorly informed so far have been the Hyundai salesmen.

NIMAN

I think those figures are false.

Water John

Niman, are you fond of the 'fake news'?
A survey is just a broad snapshot. Gives a trend only, unless it scientifically constructed and carried out.

NIMAN

I doubt a survey was even carried out.....that piece probably came out of someone's imagination.

Water John

Better take that up with Conor Faughnan of AA.

There's 4 of us Leaf owners at work and 2 plug ins, baby steps.......

Range and choice has got to improve, Zoe 40 Kwh has a lot going for it, shame about the cost. Fingers crossed I get to test drive it Wednesday. I plan 450-500 Kms trip in one day.

unkel

Lovey looking car the Zoe, but at €27.5k list it's just ridiculously expensive. It's €17.7k in France.

17.7 K in France for the 22 Kwh version no doubt ? Heavily subsidised though.

unkel

Nope, 41kWh. Lower subsidies than here (€6k instead of €5k + max €5k VRT discount). Could be battery lease though.

Edit - is lease. €69 a month "location de battery". For owners of the 22kWh there is a 41kWh retrofit option for €3,500. Interesting option!

3,500 option ? that's a no brainer !

They don't offer lease on the 40 Kwh here. Still for 27-29K if doing lots of Kms the Zoe is a good alternative.

unkel

It's too expensive and it won't sell here. It really should be a €20k car.

It won't convince 15 K Petrol Clio buyers that's for sure.

It will tempt EV enthusiasts, Leaf and existing Zoe owners , Zoe's AC charger is brilliant and makes a huge difference at AC points.

unkel

EV enthusiasts already own EVs. At this stage it should all be about tempting the next big wave of ICE (diesel) owners into EV ownership. A €27k Zoe (after generous subsidies :rolleyes:) does absolutely nothing for this.

NIMAN

The Gov incentives are rubbish, simple as.

I know its only €120 annually, but free road tax would be a start. You know how the Irish are obsessed about the road tax.

You should also be allowed to drive in bus lanes.

Whilst the sales are so small, these changes would cost little and have little effect, so why not implement them or something similar? If the Gov is serious about getting people out of ICE cars, they need to up their game a fair bit.

Water John

The Govn't should put together a plan. Not just for EVs, but a plan around reducing carbon emissions and other pollutants.

EV adaption is part of a larger picture.

unkel

NIMAN wrote: »

I know its only €120 annually, but free road tax would be a start. You know how the Irish are obsessed about the road tax.

Agreed there. It won't cost much but it would make a huge psychological difference in Ireland (for some reason)

Incentives here are far from rubbish though, probably one of the most generous in the world. I've done well over 3k km so far myself and have spent under a tenner in electricity. That's on top of the €10k subsidy, the free charge point and the cheapest motor tax.

Mope

Folks, let's not make this thread to yet another thread about everything
Articles!

I am the only driving EV in company, well except our director with Tesla. People do ask sometimes, but 80prcnt of people don't even know it's electric. Those who do, those 20prcnt, knows little or nothing about how they work and there are different types of chargers and cars are not the same and list goes on.

NIMAN

unkel wrote: »

Agreed there. It won't cost much but it would make a huge psychological difference in Ireland (for some reason)

Incentives here are far from rubbish though, probably one of the most generous in the world. I've done well over 3k km so far myself and have spent under a tenner in electricity. That's on top of the ?10k subsidy, the free charge point and the cheapest motor tax.

Up to Sept 2016, there was just over 2000 EVs in Ireland (from the figures I found).

That would be a loss of ?240,000 per year to the Gov if they gave them all free road tax. Less than 1/4 of a million! Surely it should be implemented?

And you say EVs have the lowest road tax. But its still high. In NI you can drive most modern diesels and get free road tax they have emissions that low. And many other polluting cars have road tax of ?30 per year.

Yet we think ?120 for an EV is a great deal?

Mope

... great deal in Ireland...

unkel

NIMAN wrote: »

Up to Sept 2016, there was just over 2000 EVs in Ireland (from the figures I found).

That would be a loss of ?240,000 per year to the Gov if they gave them all free road tax. Less than 1/4 of a million! Surely it should be implemented?

I already said I agreed. On both ends - it being a cheap measure and it making a relatively big impact on the Irish psyche

n97 mini

man_no_plan wrote: »

Was talking to a taxi man, in his fifties id say, the other day with an avensis. Says his next car will def be electric..

Noooooo! We already have one arsehole taxi driver with an EV.

oppenheimer1

NIMAN wrote: »

Up to Sept 2016, there was just over 2000 EVs in Ireland (from the figures I found).

That would be a loss of ?240,000 per year to the Gov if they gave them all free road tax. Less than 1/4 of a million! Surely it should be implemented?

And you say EVs have the lowest road tax. But its still high. In NI you can drive most modern diesels and get free road tax they have emissions that low. And many other polluting cars have road tax of ?30 per year.

Yet we think ?120 for an EV is a great deal?

Absolutely no way should it be implemented. The problem with freebies like this is that they become politically impossible to take away (see water, OAP free travel etc)The most that should be offered is free road tax for the first three years of your first EV, Provided you stay under 20k km/year. There is also no reason to provide any incentives to existing EV drivers wrt tax as they already have one and don't need further encouragement.

And as for your idea of letting EV's drive in bus lanes - I won't even start to get into how stupid and ill advised that would be.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

EV enthusiasts already own EVs. At this stage it should all be about tempting the next big wave of ICE (diesel) owners into EV ownership. A €27k Zoe (after generous subsidies :rolleyes:) does absolutely nothing for this.

Additionally there are reports that the Q90 model with "43kW" charging capability does not charge at 43kW or anything close, from a capable CP.

man_no_plan

n97 mini wrote: »

Noooooo! We already have one arsehole taxi driver with an EV.

I'm sure this man wasn't an arsehole but the lure of 'free juice' may have been a factor!

My main point was that there is a lot of knowledge and interest out in the ether there. An incentive or two in addition, albeit time limited, might be enough to get more people over.

Shefwedfan

Article is pure click bait and advertisement for AA.....if you took a poll on all current Electric car drivers I would guess the update on AA is very small due to the reliability of the cars.

The only point really made in article is that AA can repair electric cars.

I would guess you will see loads of this sh*t from companies that could have down turn in business due to electric cars. They are just trying to get the jump and start getting people to buy there service....

Evd-Burner

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Article is pure click bait and advertisement for AA.....if you took a poll on all current Electric car drivers I would guess the update on AA is very small due to the reliability of the cars.

The only point really made in article is that AA can repair electric cars.

I would guess you will see loads of this sh*t from companies that could have down turn in business due to electric cars. They are just trying to get the jump and start getting people to buy there service....

My thoughts exactly, they are afraid of losing business. I have a feeling that they are trying to exploit the fact that potential buyers fear the unknown, but the reality is that there is a very low chance of breaking down in an EV vs an ICE and as battery capacity gets better there will be less incidents where vehicles run out of juice.

KCross

KCross wrote: »

30% of motorists likely to go electric when buying their next car:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/30-of-motorists-likely-to-go-electric-when-buying-their-next-car-792359.html

I find it hard to believe that even 30% know about EV's not to mind 30% "likely to buy"!

It appears the % was taken out of context... it includes Hybrids!!

In response to an AA Car Insurance survey of over 3,000 motorists, 9.39% of those polled stated they were “very likely” to consider purchasing an electric or hybrid vehicle when buying their next car. Meanwhile, a further 19.84% described themselves as “somewhat likely” to consider moving away from a petrol or diesel powered vehicle.

http://www.theaa.ie/blog/30-of-motorists-likely-to-opt-for-electric-car/


So, that explains it!

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Additionally there are reports that the Q90 model with "43kW" charging capability does not charge at 43kW or anything close, from a capable CP.

That's new to me. But the absence of a more realistic range estimate like the EPA doesn't help and then there was the winter test from Nyland showing that a very small car with a 41kWh battery (Zoe) has no more range than a much larger car with a 28kWh battery (Ioniq). That really doesn't inspire confidence in the Zoe. Cros13 has posted that the range of the Zoe is very bad in winter but much better in summer and I'll take his word for it. But still, the Zoe should be a €20k max car.

We don't have such cold winters in Ireland so I wouldn't be too concerned.

The same can be said for the leaf and in reality driving and charging regularly helps keep the battery temps up so it doesn't make a huge difference. And its rarely at sub zero temps for more than a few hours in the morning and not long after sunrise.

Mope

Didnt want to create new Thread for this so I think this would suite the topic.

Lidl opened new store in Drogheda Donore Road with Fast Charger in there! :-)

From the memo:
"The Lidl store at Donore Road, Drogheda was reopened today by the newly elected Mayor of Drogheda, Pio Smith. The new store design features a number of eco-friendly characteristics which will reduce the environmental impact of the store. These include natural refrigeration systems, efficient LED lighting and sustainably sourced wooden building materials. Among other sustainable attributes, the site also features free electric vehicle charging stations for customers.

Irish start-up Airsynergy, based in Longford, partnered with Lidl on the project by supplying renewable solar & wind powered car park lighting. This is the first Lidl store in the country with many of these impressive new features and is part of ongoing efforts by us to meet the many targets set out in their Origin Green sustainability plan."

unkel

Same as they have been doing in the UK. Great move. Death to all the slow chargers and FCP FTW

What's the spec on the charger, Mope? You should know or at least be able to find out

Mope

Hehe, yes, should be able to find out :-] Just need to find the right guy to email...

stesaurus

From the pics online it looks to be the usual 43/50kW units but no mention whether it can dual charge an AC & DC session. I was hoping they'd put in 22kW units but this is great news, hopefully it becomes the norm.

unkel

You were hoping they'd stick in 22kW versions instead of 50kW? :eek:

This whole EV business is about looking forward, not standing still or looking back.

Wrong place for a fast charger.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Wrong place for a fast charger.

Nope. Perfect place for a fast charger. Lidl shop takes about 20-25 minutes, so go from near empty to near full, paid for by a private company. Not the tax payer.

Lidl - I salute you for this initiative.

They should have more than one, that's real initiative.

unkel

Yeah. They should have had 8 * 150kW chargers at every Lidl branche in the world by the start of last year :rolleyes:

That would be a good start. Do it once, do it right.

stesaurus

unkel wrote: »

You were hoping they'd stick in 22kW versions instead of 50kW? :eek:

This whole EV business is about looking forward, not standing still or looking back.

Lol no! Hoping for 22kW but pleasantly surprised that they are 50kW. I thought I read in the UK it would be a 22kW rollout so was expecting the same here.

KCross

Deleted User wrote: »

Wrong place for a fast charger.

Deleted User wrote: »

They should have more than one, that's real initiative.

Seriously Mad_Lad, you need to give credit where its due here.

They have very little incentive to do this and yet they are spending thousands on it. Hopefully they will start to roll out some more across the country now and not just one to grab the headline!

Where are the Supervalu and Tesco owned chargers!


The next thread I suppose will be the hogging of this charger! Anyone know how they control access. Is it just a free for all? That will get messy fast, particularly if eCars start charging for theirs!

2 x 22 Kw DC would at least allow 2 people to charge.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

Seriously Mad_Lad, you need to give credit where its due here.

They have very little incentive to do this and yet they are spending thousands on it. Hopefully they will start to roll out some more across the country now and not just one to grab the headline!

Where are the Supervalu and Tesco owned chargers!


The next thread I suppose will be the hogging of this charger! Anyone know how they control access. Is it just a free for all? That will get messy fast, particularly if eCars start charging for theirs!

AFAIK in the uk it's part of the CYC network and it costs £6, you can get that £6 deducted from your shopping total at lidl.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

AFAIK in the uk it's part of the CYC network and it costs £6, you can get that £6 deducted from your shopping total at lidl.

Thats a good idea.
Its like the Dunnes voucher thing.... you spend €50 and get €10 back the next time you shop there. In this case you pay for your charge and then you get some or all of it back the next time you shop there. A quid pro quo system. I like it. It should stop abuse of the system.... if they do it that way

isnottheword

Do Lidl charge for access to these in the UK (as I believe they have many of them over there)?

EDIT - disregard my query - just saw ELM327's post.....that's progressive way of doing it for sure.