Seetec are here to bring you to poverty

Shoes and Boots

Hi guys.

I am here to tell my story and what I understood from my experience with Seetec

This company has bad reputation in UK,there is plenty information on google,came to Ireland to take you out of social welfare and bring you to poverty.

From my own experience,they has specially trained staff which does not believe any of your word and everything what you will tell them or write them trough email,will be used against you,.

For example,if you are highly skilled ,fully qualified specialist who will never work for minimal wage.Seetec adviser will ask you with friendly smile on his face : You probably would not like take job on fruits packaging line as general operative for minimal wage ? If you will tell him,sorry,I am fully qualified with experience,I would not like that type of work,this will be first record against you because you do not take offered job.

If you will send to interview and on interview you will say no to job offer with minimal wage,they will throw you out of the list immediately and send you to DSP were your social welfare will be canceled or reduced because :

A) You was not interested in job offer on fruit packaging line ( this was only conversation with Seetec adviser )
B ) You said no when job with minimal wage was offered.

Before sending to interview you will be told that is respectable,dramatically growing company with good reputation,were is people who already sent by Seetec are very happy.You will not be told about wage there untill you will know that on interview.

They are not your friends,they came take you out of the list.

That how government make unemployment statistics "nice"

Pucking Fissed Off

Why would you think your entitled to state benefits if your turning down paid work?

Everybody else is working and paying taxes to fund the social welfare system.

Harry Palmr

****ing hell, if you are unemployed and can do the job then take the job

pjohnson

So you were lucky enough to be offered a job but viewed it as being beneath you and refused it. Now you suffer consequences. Seems correct.

Shoes and Boots

1) Because when I worked,I paid taxes.

2) Because I am fully qualified and have enough experience to earn more than offer Seetec, if I will looking for work,but Seetec does not give me opportunity looking for high paid job,they offering me less paid job using situation to throw me out of the list asap.

3) We getting 350 for 3 persons or 1400 per month.My house rent 670 euros,creche for baby ( half day ) 200 per month,oil heating about 240 winter time,100 now.My car taxes 70 euros per month plus 100 euros for fuel,so we have 240 euros per month for food for 2 adults and baby.That is without internet and electricity bills.

My wife has serious health problems and cant take any work

Seetec offered me job with minimal wage were I will have use my own car for come to work.Sorry,getting minimal wage I will not even have money for fuel,tyres,car insurance ! If I will take minimal wage job,I dont will have money for food !

pjohnson

Is there not a public transport option to get to the work?

Did you expect to walk into a management position?

nhunter100

Shoes and Boots wrote:

Seetec offered me job with minimal wage were I will have use my own car for come to work.Sorry,getting minimal wage I will not even have money for fuel,tyres,car insurance !

Take the job and apply for FIS. You can always apply for other higher paying jobs while working. If your SW gets cut that's your own fault , it is not the responsibility of the taxpayer to fund you until a job you feel worthy of your skills comes along.

Shoes and Boots

There is shift work and serious problems with public transport.Even if I will use public transport I still do not will have money for food.

Shoes and Boots

nhunter100,Yes,I can.But I still do not will have enough money for food looking for better paid job.

nhunter100

Shoes and Boots wrote:

There is shift work and serious problems with public transport.Even if I will use public transport I still do not will have money for food.

You'll have even less for food when Social Welfare cuts your payment for refusing to work. The dole is to help you it is not a career.

Shoes and Boots

We live poor life,were every cent counts,we do not have any social life.You think that I feel pleasure,getting Social Welfare and I do not want find job ? Today is my situation,tomorrow its could be yours.

Shoes and Boots

All jobs in Dublin lads and there is very poor life in small towns.

scamalert

seriously if you see that job is above you, then thats your problem.Since seems two adults and kid and your better off on dole then getting twice for working.

Since if OH cant work she can look after kid.and you getting minimum still works out 1470, before any other benefits.pffs

nhunter100

Shoes and Boots wrote:

We live poor life,were every cent counts,we do not have any social life.You think that I feel pleasure,getting Social Welfare and I do not want find job ? Today is my situation,tomorrow its could be yours.

From what I have read of your OP you have turned down work, you have no right to down work if in receipt of the dole. I have been in that situation and a job is always preferable to the dole. Living off the sweat of others is not something that sits well with me.

Shoes and Boots

scamalert,we do not have any others member of family in Ireland.If your child will see dad ir mum only, child will have serious problems with other kids and will afraid them same as everybody.That will be serious problem.

Shoes and Boots

nhunter100,I agree with you.But if I will take job ,me and my family will have asking for charity and food.The reason is if I take minimal wage job,me and my family will die without food or will homeless.So,who fault that wage is not enough for food ? My ? Government ? Employer ? Seetec ?

Senna

You have obviously been on the dole for a long time >6 months, you may have qualifications and experience but they have not got you a job. You have been offered paid employment and if you don't take it, you should get nothing.
Yes the government get people off the dole by getting them into employment, minimum wage is employment and you should not be looking down your nose at it, you are on the dole so I don't understand how you can have a superior attitude to those that work for a living.

Shoes and Boots

Senna ,did you read what I wrote ? Then please,do this again.

Senna

How long are you unemployed?

jamesthepeach

To be fair if someone has been paying tax of €1000 plus per month for 10 or 20 years I think they should be allowed to take their time finding a well paid job that suits their skill set. After all, they have paid a lot of money into the system over the years

NinetyTwoTeam

I'm being sent to them next week and not looking forward to it, but I legitimately want to work. I have a college degree as well but that doesn't mean I am entitled to a high paying job, since graduating I have worked on production lines and I'll work for minimum wage rather than be on the dole. No offense but your writing is full of a lot of errors for someone highly qualified, this might be affecting your ability to get a better paid position.

Don't you think you'd have a better chance at a good job by working instead of having a gap on your CV? Firstly, you could move up into a better paid role in time, especially if you are qualified. And secondly, there's a prevailing attitude among employers in Ireland that applicants already in work are more desirable.

The attitude you have right now is why genuine jobseekers like myself get stigmatized as layabouts and is exactly why the government think that these awful schemes are necessary. When people like yourself need to be harassed into taking available jobs, the rest of us are treated the same. Where I live there really aren't​ any jobs it's such a small town. I'd take anything just to get self respect back and get the DSP to stop annoying me.

If your wife is getting illness benefit due to her health and you are getting child benefit, you'll keep that, and you'll be getting more than the 188 the dole pays. If the job isn't accessible without a car then they can't make you take it if you don't have a car, but if you can get there by public transport you really don't have a reason to turn it down other than you think it's beneath you.

Jawgap

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

Hi guys.
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For example,if you are highly skilled ,fully qualified specialist who will never work for minimal wage.Seetec adviser will ask you with friendly smile on his face : You probably would not like take job on fruits packaging line as general operative for minimal wage ? If you will tell him,sorry,I am fully qualified with experience,I would not like that type of work,this will be first record against you because you do not take offered job.
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Jaysus, if people gave up or refused to take jobs on the basis of whether they "liked" them or not we'd really be goosed!

Easier to get a job when you have a job......just because you take a sh1tty job it doesn't mean you can't apply for something better to move on to.

Shoes and Boots

NinetyTwoTeam,I prefer gap on my CV than general operative line worker in fruits warehouse.Because if my next employer will see that I worked for minimal wage,he will never offer me standard rates.Other words,if you took job for minimal wage,the next employer will think that 12 per hour will good enough for you,when on place were you will apply standard rates will be 20.

Shoes and Boots

Jawgap,as said before 3 times ( you probably could not read it ),I will tell you 4th time,if I will take minimal wage job me and my family will die without food or will be homeless before I will find any better.

Jellybaby1

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

NinetyTwoTeam,I prefer gap on my CV than general operative line worker in fruits warehouse.Because if my next employer will see that I worked for minimal wage,he will never offer me standard rates.Other words,if you took job for minimal wage,the next employer will think that 12 per hour will good enough for you,when on place were you will apply standard rates will be 20.

After being years unemployed my son got back to a minimal wage job a year ago. My son earns less than €9 per hour. He feels he has more dignity now than on the dole. Tell me where that job is that pays €12 per hour and he will apply for it.

jacob2

welcome to all the cryers i am working to keep u and every body else because i pay tax the blue peter badges is on the way to u all seetec tus any others i forgot non of them work its all for the goverernment to look good dont forget the relation u might have on the dole u paying for them as well

Jawgap

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

Jawgap,as said before 3 times ( you probably could not read it ),I will tell you 4th time,if I will take minimal wage job me and my family will die without food or will be homeless before I will find any better.

Really? I doubt it........the country is bad, but it ain't that bad.

Plus you'll get the going rate for the job......taking a minimum wage job doesn't forever commit you to only ever being paid that rate in future.

previous user

Pucking Fissed Off wrote: »

Why would you think your entitled to state benefits if your turning down paid work?

Everybody else is working and paying taxes to fund the social welfare system.

From what I've heard a lot of teachers on seasonal contracts aren't happy with been forced into low paid shelf stacking jobs, because they've put a lot of work into their qualifications for teaching, I wonder what Leo's view on that is?

Shoes and Boots

Jellybaby1,perfect rates in Dublin,you could always travel there,does not matter how many miles,200-300 per day ! Go straight forward,take a fortune !

Before blaming people guys,Remember,some people pay taxes to get right be on Social welfare ! I not getting your money,I getting My money ,which I paid to government budget for about 10 years already.

Shoes and Boots

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

Senna ,did you read what I wrote ? Then please,do this again.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/family_income_supplement.html


Have you heard of this. Family income supplement.

faceman

I'm going to plays devil's advocate here and lean toward the OP.

Why is the Irish government unnecessarily using a U.K. firm for this role? Their reputation in the U.K. is not glowing

They're also on a commission basis with the government so it's in the interest to get people into any job as opposed to finding suitable work. This is a major red flag with this contract.

Being put into any old job unrelated to someone's profession has pros and cons but IMO the cons outway the pros

Working in an area unrelated to your career choice is no different to have a gap on your CV. So from a visual perspective it can look the same as a gap to a prospective employer.

Assuming it is FT work then that's time the OP doesn't have to upskill or train relevant to his or her profession. This is a key point imo. If I'm recruiting and someone has a gap or a job in an unrelated area and assuming they weren't taking a valid career break, my first question is what did you do relevant to your career, training or otherwise, during that period.

I won't get into my view on the OP's personal circumstances as that's someone else's expertise. Sorry OP can't give you personal advice but hope you land on your feet.

If you have: And your weekly family income is less than:
One child €511
Two children €612.

As you would be on min wages you would receive a fairly substantiation top up.

Pucking Fissed Off

previous user wrote: »

From what I've heard a lot of teachers on seasonal contracts aren't happy with been forced into low paid shelf stacking jobs, because they've put a lot of work into their qualifications for teaching, I wonder what Leo's view on that is?

?? My names not Leo.
However if you want my opinion, people shouldn't study for years to do a job that is well known for low pay and then complain about their low rate of pay.

What's the job you want to work in?

Shoes and Boots

So,now,I understood one thing.If your qualification and skills worth more,simply tell employer on interview :

I will leave you,once I will get better job.No matter when this will happen,tomorrow or next week.

I pretty sure,any employer will not give you any job and job will not be offered.I think employer should understand reading your CV,that with your skills you will not on his place for long

If Seetec adviser will ask me,why did I say that,I will give simple answer : I told truth

Yourself isit

jamesthepeach wrote: »

To be fair if someone has been paying tax of €1000 plus per month for 10 or 20 years I think they should be allowed to take their time finding a well paid job that suits their skill set. After all, they have paid a lot of money into the system over the years

Totally agree. Something like one to two months of non means tested per year worked.

yosser hughes

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

So,now,I understood one thing.If your qualification and skills worth more,simply tell employer on interview :

I will leave you,once I will get better job.No matter when this will happen,tomorrow or next week.

I pretty sure,any employer will not give you any job and job will not be offered.I think employer should understand reading your CV,that with your skills you will not on his place for long

If Seetec adviser will ask me,why did I say that,I will give simple answer : I told truth

Maybe things would be better for you back in your own country? More family support etc.
What are you qualified to do?

Senna

Two questions:
1. What is your area of expertise
2. How long are you unemployed

Allah snackbar

Why would anyone take a job that will leave them struggling to feed their family at the end of the month , that doesn't seem fair to me , if I do the maths and after working a 40 hour week I'm left with less than if I was on social welfare there's no real point in going to work , that's not my fault , people saying you should take the job just because are not being realistic , take the job and get into the rut of having to work to feed the family pay the bills and have nothing left , so you have to work to feed the family pay the bills and have nothing left , it's a silly never ending circle .

Op if it's not paying you to go to work and you've more on the social , stay on the social and keep looking .

Shoes and Boots

I will not give any information about me due with my situation.I told people what they can expect from Seetec and what this company for in Ireland.I think I gave enough information for thinking how things are in this country at this moment.

Shoes and Boots

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

So,now,I understood one thing.If your qualification and skills worth more,simply tell employer on interview :

I will leave you,once I will get better job.No matter when this will happen,tomorrow or next week.

I pretty sure,any employer will not give you any job and job will not be offered.I think employer should understand reading your CV,that with your skills you will not on his place for long

If Seetec adviser will ask me,why did I say that,I will give simple answer : I told truth

But I though you were not taking the job because you would be forced in to poverty? I have pointed you in the direction of family income supplement which along with a job( even one paying min wages ) would substantially increase your income above what you have now.

Now you are saying you don't want the job because you are too qualified?

Shoes and Boots

mariaalice,I made huge job sending my CV to other companies which was advertised for positions with better wages and conditions,but Seetec did not let me wait for answers and left me without support.They did not believe any of my word.I badly need job,I would like give my child more than I can offer seating on social welfare but Seetec took everything from me and left in poverty.The reason of my comment about understanding was : Just tell people option to avoid my situation today.Thanks for understanding.

jimmycrackcorm

Shoes and Boots wrote:

NinetyTwoTeam,I prefer gap on my CV than general operative line worker in fruits warehouse.Because if my next employer will see that I worked for minimal wage,he will never offer me standard rates.Other words,if you took job for minimal wage,the next employer will think that 12 per hour will good enough for you,when on place were you will apply standard rates will be 20.

How will the next employer know what you are getting paid..you can say you were earning 20 per hour if you want.

Shoes and Boots wrote:

I will leave you,once I will get better job.No matter when this will happen,tomorrow or next week.

You don't necessarily have to be blunt. You can simply say in the interview that you are looking for a wage to match your experience. An employer will deduce themselves that you may not stay long and prefer someone else who will be happy with the wage offered.

As others have said, you should take a job, apply for fis and then seek a more suitable job.

Shoes and Boots

jimmycrackcorm The job which I did not take not available for me anymore.

noodler

Seetec are doing their job.

If there's a better job for you out there than you find it.

Senna

So Seetec is stopping you from taking a better job, rubbish. They didn't give you time after you sent CVs, more rubbish. Why were you not sending these CVs long before Seetec got involved?
I've been on the dole, it's tough, but if you are on it longer than a few months, get off your ass and work, you will ALWAYS be better off in any employment regardless of how much crying to the contrary you do.
Take the job and find out what other wage supplements you can apply for.

Shoes and Boots

Senna,To be honest,I was only 3 weeks with Seetec.Please do not think that everything is so simple in this world.Hope you will never will in same situation.Yes,Seetec did not give me wait,because took bread from my table and offered me job which should make unemployed young people 18 years of age ! For those who does not have families and live 10 mins walk from warehouse !

Shoes and Boots

Shoes and Boots wrote: »

To be honest,I was only 3 weeks with Seetec

I know you are upset but you keep changing your story, first it was because the job would put you in poverty when it was pointed out that you would be substantially better off because of FIS, you say its because it would look bad on your CV.

scamalert

you sign up on the dole to be available for work and look for job, since you failed both its not Seetec fault but your own ignorance.

they offered min wage job which is double the dole,and your complains are it wont sit well on your cv is bull.

takes 3-5mins every day to look for job, no one forces you to stay in one if you land better position elsewhere.

Seems attitude that you deserve to pick what you want to do is the problem.

there are faults with them agencies but this seems isn't the case.

Shoes and Boots

mariaalice Actually i never knew about what you told me,I did not know what FIS are because i had enough money do not think about it.The job offered by Seetec would leave me in poverty,but because I did not take it,Seetec throw me out of the list.I do not care about CV,employer who will read my experience from other jobs will do not care either,I have plenty good references from other employers which will tell a lot more than on my CV.

Fol20

I would echo what many people said already. If you want to be willing to receive free money,you might be able to get a few months where you can be picky but a point does come where you need to willing to take any job your given until you find the job that suits you. You keep mentioning you CV. You dont need to put it on your cv and at least you will earn more money. Honestly if you are a highly skilled worker, i would expect you to express your words better here. This could be hindering your job success and would get that looked into