Why are we not allowed to defend ourselves

Synthol

All self defence weapons are illegal, even pepper spray. If you are working at night in Dublin city centre and have to deal with all the addicts and drunks in groups, they are rarely alone and you don't really have a chance as they will usually have a knife or just outnumber you. So how the hell are you supposed to survive? Call the Gardai? By the time they show up I could be dead a long time. Just wanted to say thanks for our great government for letting us defend ourselves. By banning self defence weapons, you are supporting the deaths of humans. So much for caring about lives eh? Go and enforce speed limits which is the best you can do to ''save lives''

Why can't we just take an example from Germany? They have incredibly low crime rates and allow self defense weapons.

So why the hell even pepper spray is illegal? How is a woman supposed to defend herself against a rapist?

Just like meat eaters support the suffering and death of animals so does our government support the suffering and death of humans with their outlandish laws.

Synthol

Find another job

DontThankMe

Can you give me any examples of people dying because they didn't have any weapons to defend themselves with? I think it is a terrible idea there are already enough crazy people out there harming people if we allow self defense weapons we are just giving those crazy people and criminals access to those weapons and they will be able to terrorise innocent people even more.

Sky King

I remember not so long ago hearing a barrister on the radio speaking about this and he said that if some junkies junkies bastard breaks into your house you have a statutory right to defend yourself using any force you deem necessary up to and including lethal force.

The law was changed on this in the last few years.

gramar

Synthol wrote: »

So why the hell even pepper spray is illegal? How is a woman supposed to defend herself against a rapist?

Don't go out wearing provocative clothing and you'll be grand.

Synthol

DontThankMe wrote: »

Can you give me any examples of people dying because they didn't have any weapons to defend themselves with? I think it is a terrible idea there are already enough crazy people out there harming people if we allow self defense weapons we are just giving those crazy people and criminals access to those weapons and they will be able to terrorise innocent people even more.

Yes, exactly like Germany isn't it? Don't ever visit Germany folks as criminals have access to weapons. You realize they carry a knife anyway?

Synthol

Sky King wrote: »

I remember not so long ago hearing a barrister on the radio speaking about this and he said that if some junkies junkies bastard breaks into your house you have a statutory right to defend yourself using any force you deem necessary up to and including lethal force.

The law was changed on this in the last few years.

Yes, but that's the least of my worries. I am talking about going down the street and having a junkies junkies bastard jump you with a knife.

DontThankMe

Synthol wrote: »

Yes, exactly like Germany isn't it? Don't ever visit Germany folks as criminals have access to weapons. You realize they carry a knife anyway?

You didn't answer my question: can you give me examples of people in Ireland dying because they didn't have a self defence weapon? Yeah great idea give everyone knives so they can just go around stabbing people. You do realise that someone could easily take the knife off that person and stab them instead. Violence only leads to more violence and legalizing self defence weapons is not the answer.

RustyNut

Self defense weapons, that must be why there is no crime in America.

Synthol

DontThankMe wrote: »

You didn't answer my question: can you give me examples of people in Ireland dying because they didn't have a self defence weapon? Yeah great idea give everyone knives so they can just go around stabbing people. You do realise that someone could easily take the knife off that person and stab them instead. Violence only leads to more violence and legalizing self defence weapons is not the answer.

Absolutely, every person that was killed in Ireland could have been potentially saved if they had access to self defence weapons. How the hell am I supposed to give examples if it's illegal? You gave this argument because you know it's impossible to prove as there is no way to prove it due to self defence weapons being illegal. Just take statistics and see how many would have been saved if they had something simple such as a taser or a pepper spray.

Synthol

RustyNut wrote: »

Self defense weapons, that must be why there is no crime in America.

Always take bad examples. What about Germany eh? Ever heard of that? Yes they have self defence weapons in Germany.

gramar

Synthol wrote: »

Absolutely, every person that was killed in Ireland could have been potentially saved if they had access to self defence weapons. How the hell am I supposed to give examples if it's illegal? You gave this argument because you know it's impossible to prove as there is no way to prove it due to self defence weapons being illegal. Just take statistics and see how many would have been saved if they had something simple such as a taser or a pepper spray.

Now there's a whoosh if ever I saw one.

DontThankMe

Synthol wrote: »

Absolutely, every person that was killed in Ireland could have been potentially saved if they had access to self defence weapons. How the hell am I supposed to give examples if it's illegal? You gave this argument because you know it's impossible to prove as there is no way to prove it due to self defence weapons being illegal. Just take statistics and see how many would have been saved if they had something simple such as a taser or a pepper spray.

So if somebody breaks into your home with a gun and you have a knife or a taser you'll be safe because you have your self defence weapon.

Richard Hillman

Big Government as per usual. They have tried to take self security out of your own hands and put it on themselves to do so.

As per usual Large Government fails in an inefficient and reckless manner.

Synthol

Right, I see no point in arguing with sheep. Have a good day. And live your obedient lives for your overlords. And make sure to support their wages as well. At least go vegan and do some good for the world.
I am out.
Absolutely every thread here is bashing people for having a different opinion. Keyboard warriors looking for new threads just to disagree even when proof is staring right at their faces.

silverharp

DontThankMe wrote: »

Can you give me any examples of people dying because they didn't have any weapons to defend themselves with? I think it is a terrible idea there are already enough crazy people out there harming people if we allow self defense weapons we are just giving those crazy people and criminals access to those weapons and they will be able to terrorise innocent people even more.

this sprang to mind

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418751/Danish-17-year-old-girl-used-pepper-spray-fight-rapist-near-migrant-asylum-centre-told-prosecuted-carrying-weapon.html

Danish 17-year-old girl who used a pepper spray to fight off a rapist near migrant asylum centre is told SHE will be prosecuted for carrying the weapon

sbsquarepants

Synthol wrote: »

Just take statistics and see how many would have been saved if they had something simple such as a taser or a pepper spray.

Doesn't this argument escalate all the way up from pepper spray to nuclear weapons.

It makes no sense on any level! If the average joe soap starts carrying a taser, then the average scumbag starts carrying a revolver.

Do you want junkies in town with intercontinental ballistic missiles? Do you - cos that's where this ends compadre!

King George VI

The trick is to be supa fly mothafukkin fast with those 999 a'dialin' fingers.

corner of hells

Synthol wrote: »

Right, I see no point in arguing with sheep. Have a good day. And live your obedient lives for your overlords. And make sure to support their wages as well. At least go vegan and do some good for the world.
I am out.
Absolutely every thread here is bashing people for having a different opinion. Keyboard warriors looking for new threads just to disagree even when proof is staring right at their faces.

Ah for fvuks same , you can just run in here , start an argument and feck off.
I've loads of examples to share and you ruined everything.

DontThankMe

Synthol wrote: »

Right, I see no point in arguing with sheep. Have a good day. And live your obedient lives for your overlords. And make sure to support their wages as well. At least go vegan and do some good for the world.
I am out.
Absolutely every thread here is bashing people for having a different opinion. Keyboard warriors looking for new threads just to disagree even when proof is staring right at their faces.

You do realize that this is a discussion website where people with different opinions come to debate their differing points of view, not everyone that disagrees with a poster is a keyboard warrior.

RustyNut

Baaaaaa. Now where is my puppy and dolphin sambo..

D0NNELLY

Synthol wrote: »

Right, I see no point in arguing with sheep. Have a good day. And live your obedient lives for your overlords. And make sure to support their wages as well. At least go vegan and do some good for the world.
I am out.
Absolutely every thread here is bashing people for having a different opinion. Keyboard warriors looking for new threads just to disagree even when proof is staring right at their faces.

Oh jasus!!!!!

corner of hells

So anyone got any plans for the weekend ?

c_man

Just late one night, last week while on a nice walk I found myself confronted by a gang of street toughs. There were seven, forming a junkie-circle enclosing me. I smiled at the gang leader and said "I don't think you wanna party tonight pal." He replied "Hand over your phone and wallet, or things could get ugly!" Immediately his henchman lunged at me with a potentially devastating undercut. I grabbed that goon, and redirected him at the next biggest guy. "2 down, 5 to go," I goaded.

Next a can of pepper spray was produced and aimed in my direction. I quickly snapped on a pair of sunglasses and took care of that bozo with a sweet roundhouse kick. At this point the circle was broken so I made a break for it. I was unfamiliar with that part of town, they chased. Ended up in an alley, walled off. I quickly ran at the wall, doing a sweet jump off and taking two more of the thugs out with some lighting quick, mid-air punch/kick combos that my Mama taught me. Now it was just me and the gang leader. He quivered. I smirked. He reached for a knife but I executed a sweet dragon kick that knocked him out.

I searched their persons and relieved them of all their money and valuables. "I guess crime doesn't pay!" I laughed. I then took a pi$$ on the leader to establish my dominance and rep on the streets.

I have no need for weapons, I am a weapon.

sbsquarepants

You C man are a god damn liar.

I seen that shít go down - and there was only 6 of them:mad:

lawred2

Synthol wrote: »

All self defence weapons are illegal, even pepper spray. If you are working at night in Dublin city centre and have to deal with all the addicts and drunks in groups, they are rarely alone and you don't really have a chance as they will usually have a knife or just outnumber you. So how the hell are you supposed to survive? Call the Gardai? By the time they show up I could be dead a long time. Just wanted to say thanks for our great government for letting us defend ourselves. By banning self defence weapons, you are supporting the deaths of humans. So much for caring about lives eh? Go and enforce speed limits which is the best you can do to ''save lives''

Why can't we just take an example from Germany? They have incredibly low crime rates and allow self defense weapons.

So why the hell even pepper spray is illegal? How is a woman supposed to defend herself against a rapist?

Just like meat eaters support the suffering and death of animals so does our government support the suffering and death of humans with their outlandish laws.

What's needed here is a punishment overtake

Your Face

I think its a case of making a weapon readily available to the public.
Our society is not made up entirely of smart, well-adjusted people.
My point is that one could just as easily be attacked with pepper spray as one could use it to defend themselves.

flutered

Your Face wrote: »

I think its a case of making a weapon readily available to the public.
Our society is not made up entirely of smart, well-adjusted people.
My point is that one could just as easily be attacked with pepper spray as one could use it to defend themselves.

one section of irish society use it on guard dogs, sucessfull now and again, not always

I love Sean nos

Synthol wrote: »

All self defence weapons are illegal, even pepper spray. If you are working at night in Dublin city centre and have to deal with all the addicts and drunks in groups, they are rarely alone and you don't really have a chance as they will usually have a knife or just outnumber you. So how the hell are you supposed to survive? Call the Gardai? By the time they show up I could be dead a long time. Just wanted to say thanks for our great government for letting us defend ourselves. By banning self defence weapons, you are supporting the deaths of humans. So much for caring about lives eh? Go and enforce speed limits which is the best you can do to ''save lives''

Why can't we just take an example from Germany? They have incredibly low crime rates and allow self defense weapons.

So why the hell even pepper spray is illegal? How is a woman supposed to defend herself against a rapist?

Just like meat eaters support the suffering and death of animals so does our government support the suffering and death of humans with their outlandish laws.

Do me a favour OP and post this again in 12 hours time when I'm locked. It might make more sense to me then.

No promises mind.

Robbo

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Big Government as per usual. They have tried to take self security out of your own hands and put it on themselves to do so.

As per usual Large Government fails in an inefficient and reckless manner.

Which size of government leads to driving Gail Platt and her family into the river?

biko

Become good at judo, or 100 meter dash.

jamesbere

Wear a hi-vis and a hard hat and you'll be fine

I love Sean nos

Synthol wrote: »

You realize they carry a knife anyway?

The criminals or the Germans?

This woman definitely does. She's thinking about stabbing that fella right now.

sbsquarepants

What makes a weapon a defence weapon?

Surely banging someone on the head with a stick is banging someone on the head with a stick. What makes it a defence stick? What stops a wiley old criminal from buying a defence stick and putting it to nefarious use?

I love Sean nos

DontThankMe wrote: »

can you give me examples of people in Ireland dying because they didn't have a self defence weapon?

This woman's children might have been able to defend themselves when she threw them off cliffs.

Mena

I was (still am) licensed to carry a concealed firearm in a certain country. And I was always armed.

The thing is, it gives you a sense of invincibility. Even minor scuffles (think road rage or some twat pushing you in a pub) where normally, you as a reasonable adult would brush it off and walk away, very quickly can become something else entirely.

It took me a few years after moving to Ireland to get used to not carrying while going out, however I feel the very rare (very rare) instances where harm could have been prevented by being armed are a small price to pay for not allowing every jackass in the country to carry some sort of weapon, that in the heat of the moment, could be pulled and turn a somewhat tense moment into a life altering event for all concerned.

ScumLord

Synthol wrote: »

Why can't we just take an example from Germany? They have incredibly low crime rates and allow self defense weapons.

I was surprised by just how lax German laws are around self defence. Insulting a German is considered assault and they can defend themselves using force.

When it comes to defending the home, yeah, use weapons. As far as I'm concerned breaking into a humans home should be like walking into a bear's cave. It's not going to end well.

On the street there are a lot of issues with carrying weapons. Getting drunk being a major one in Ireland. You might carry a weapon all week, then go out of Friday for a few and then acting the tool with the weapon later in the night.

If you do get attacked on the street you'll probably be outnumbered and there's a good chance you're weapon will be taken and used against you. Weapons are an escalation, being beat up isn't as bad as getting stabbed.

OldNotWIse

I see your point OP. But to have a weapon on you, you have to be willing (and able) to use it.

I was assaulted some time ago on public transport. It was in full daylight, the place was packed and the only people who tried to intervene were two homeless guys. Everyone else sat/stood staring ahead in their fancy suits pretending that a woman wasn't being assaulted beside them. I had no weapon on me, but even if I had, I would not have had a chance to react and use it, it all happened so fast

I love Sean nos

DontThankMe wrote: »

can you give me examples of people in Ireland dying because they didn't have a self defence weapon?

Bambi's mother getting shot in a mugging gone wrong just outside Mullingar in the winter of 1982.