BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

BusGuy

Just a side note, I'm planning to take by brother to TRA 2024, but he's only 13. Is he allowed to go? I can't find anything on Google.

dublinman1990

I think Phase 6 is for the O route with Dublin Bus.

I would assume that route is meant go out before the E-Spine which is Phase 7.

AX636

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122002768#Comment_122002768

Just so u know it wasn't a bus driver that crashed EW7 so get your facts right before you post anything 👍

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122002768#Comment_122002768

So your assuming that the bus driver was at fault for the accident. Most of the bus accidents that happen the bus driver is not even at fault for. Also DB buses are limited to 65km/hr so I don't know what bus is going down the Dundrum Road at 75km/h.

System

This discussion was created from comments split from: BusConnects Dublin - Likely phasing of new routes.

bk

MOD: Moved comments from the phasing thread.

Bluefoam

I've been told that planning hasn't been granted yet for the Bus Connects route along the N11 (E Spline)… It would appear that there’s allot of junctions need changing and a big change to the cycle paths required… What are the chances of it actually happening this year?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004821#Comment_122004821

The network changes are happening independently of the Core Bus Corridor infrastructure works.

The E Spine is currently scheduled to be introduced in Q3.

The infrastructure works will start to happen across the city from 2025.

Hippodrome Song Owl

It's becoming impossible to get to Celbridge from Liffey Valley or Lucan on weekdays 3-6pm. Lots of people left behind by C4 at LV stop - this despite buses being overloaded with people standing in the front door area.

Meanwhile the outbound C3 is only half to two-thirds full departing LV at the same time, which shows the demand is for Celbridge - not Lucan or Leixlip or Maynooth (unsurprising given Leixlip/Maynooth's superior train service). It also doesn't help that the C3 arrives to Leixlip just minutes after the L59 to Celbridge departs, so that alternative option involves a 25 minute wait.

At the moment it is a case of having to go to Maynooth to come back to Celbridge. It's a joke, and with Celbridge growing so rapidly (and having a bigger population than either Leixlip or Maynooth) this is totally unacceptable.

Spanish Eyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006494#Comment_122006494

I'd hate to have to rely on a bus to Celbridge from LV anyway. I know a few people who live there and they take the 120 from town or Heuston instead of the C4. I think it stops at LV aswell but is often jammers by that stage, and I'm also not sure that it takes Leap Cards, maybe it does, but I doubt it's included in the 90 minute journey thing as it goes to Edenderry I believe.

And on a moany note - that bus stop outbound at LV is an absolute disgrace. There isn't enough room so the pavement is jammed. All buses stop there, the Cs, the Bus Eireann, and some others including the Galway service. It is not safe, and then you have all the shoppers plus the students from Kings Hospital all around the busy times. It's a nightmare. I could go on. I don't use it regularly at all, so maybe I am just a moaner, but on the couple of occasions that I did, I was waiting so long to get the C4 that I trudged back to the hub and got the L ? something to Adamstown to connect with the train to Hazelhatch. Except that bus does not connect with the train times….. I kid you not!

I find it hard to understand why Celbridge has such a dire bus service. I know there's a train station in Hazelhatch, which involves another change onto a bus to get you around the town perimeter. I used the train to visit friends recently which is how I know this. Anyway, Leixlip has two train stations and Maynooth has one so they are already well served. I wonder will there be a connection to Adamstown on the new road off the Celbridge Road. Seems like a no brainer.

I still think the BusConnects project is a step in the right direction. It is a bit messy at the moment but hopefully in time it will reap rewards for commuters.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006494#Comment_122006494

The scary part is that the lucan road cbc project isn't projected to improve journey times and capacity by any great margin when it's opened some time before 2030 and currently the service is unusable at leak times on a wet day. You're lucky with the C routes, the Blanch corridor buses operate with gaps of 30 minutes at evening peak and all are full after the first 2 or 3 stops in the south city centre on a dry day. Completely useless and no plan to actually do anything about it within our working life time.

jd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122002870#Comment_122002870

E (July?) will be before the O (September or so?). There will be rerouting of the 11 to cover North Circular Road between the E and O launches! Not sure where I got that.

ITV2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122011692#Comment_122011692

I was told E-spine is now Q3 2024.

jd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122012235#Comment_122012235

July is Q3, I'm an optimist :). Site clearance has started for 2 new developments close to the new E1 terminus in Northwood. Hopefully it won't delay Northwood Management/Cosgraves/Woodford from facilitating some road realignment etc for the terminus..

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122012615#Comment_122012615

Couldn't they just continue to use IKEA as the terminus until Northwood is ready like how the H1 is still not going to Clongriffin.

Midnight_EG

IKEA don't want the busses using either the inside or outside terminus, having driven the 140 for a while it's not really understandable why but most staff members weren't really happy to see a driver using facilities

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122014084#Comment_122014084

That's ridiculous do they not want their staff or customers using the bus

dublinman1990

There will be a route diversion in place for the 60 later this month.

It will in place for a few hours from late Friday night until Saturday morning in the last weekend of April.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/diversion-on-route-60

Does anyone know why this diversion is needed for the route?

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020871#Comment_122020871

Road is closed for filming according to DCC

https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/current-roadworks/sir-rogersons-quay

lordleitrim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122020897#Comment_122020897

KIN must have been renewed for another season!😆

TranslatorPS

Latest possibly gossip news is that Bray depot will only work the L12 and L14, with the L1-L3 going to GAI and the current Bray 145 cohort moving to Donnybrook for the E Spine. If that's the case, it is rather sensible.

loyatemu

local politicians in Greystones are also saying the local services will be Go Ahead operated.

DUBLINBUSGUY

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025464#Comment_122025464

Any word about the 144 😜

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122026070#Comment_122026070

The 143 and 144 are both now PSO bus routes so Finnegan’s may have a role to play yet.

https://www.transportforireland.ie/getting-around/by-bus/routes-143-and-144/

loyatemu

those Finnegan routes seem like relics from a previous system - they only operate Mon-Fri, they're really infrequent, the vehicles appear to be cheap minibuses and despite being entirely within the DB area they're not included in the 90 minute fare. Will any of that improve? Do Finnegans have to meet any standards, was there ever even a tender for those routes?

A regular service from Bray to Sandyford could be a really useful service (particularly with the 84 being scrapped), but the 143 isn't it.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800166#Comment_121800166

GoAhead are now introducing the enhanced S4, S6 and S8 timetables that were planned in March now from next Monday, 22nd April.

Additional departures will operate in the mornings on the three routes.

https://www.goaheadireland.ie/timetable-changes-21st-april-2024

The changes in departure times are as below:

S4 ex-Liffey Valley:

06:10 departure advanced to 06:05

Additional departures at 06:43 and 06:47

S4 ex-UCD:

Additional departures at 06:35 and 07:05

S6 ex-Tallaght:

Additional departure at 06:38 and 07:08

S6 ex-Blackrock:

Additional departure at 06:35

06:45 departure deferred to 06:50

07:00 departure deferred to 07:05

S8 ex-Citywest

Additional departure at 05:50

06:20 departure advanced to 06:15

Additional departures at 06:25 and 06:36

All departures from 07:00 to 08:45 advanced to depart 5 minutes earlier.

S8 ex-Dún Laoghaire:

06:00 and 06:20 departures advanced to 05:55 and 06:15

Additional departure at 06:30

06:40 departure deferred to 06:45

There are some changes in the running times as well.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122026760#Comment_122026760

They seem to throw anything and everything on those routes from a Ford Transit minibus to an ex DB double decker and anything in between. Surely the NTA could give them a few Streetlites to operate it if it's PSO route now.

dublinman1990

There was also an recruitment open day for Go-Ahead depot which took place last Saturday. I would assume there was a lot of applicants who went to it and got a good experience from talking to the GAI management?

Also there is an important sentence written by Go Ahead Ireland themselves on the top of that website that they are expanding and taking on more routes than ever before.

https://www.goaheadireland.ie/openday

Which begs the key question here; are all of the other locals in the E-Spine phase being run by Go Ahead Ireland or is it just some of the locals from Bray?

SeSHo

Any news about when the N2 line which will pass by griffith avenue towards clontarf DART be launched?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122031628#Comment_122031628

It will be at the same time as the E Spine. Hopefully in Q3.

Reversal

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Reversal

Are these the only changes? Politicians in Dublin Mid West were talking about a revised 68 timetable coming in April but I can't find any information on it anywhere.

Anyone know anything about this?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034350#Comment_122034350

Changes to existing routes’ timetables happen from time to time and they are usually given 10-14 days advance notice on the Dublin Bus / GoAhead website.

You don’t normally hear more than that.

A2000

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/Gtz83drfbnfXniRu/

A2000

Above is what's causing delays on the g spine every week day. And the reason the 60 is becoming more busy each day. This is the queue for the underground car park in the hospital. Traffic blocked in both directions and the inbound tram can't proceed till the outbound one clears the junction. There can be up to 3 x S2 and 3 x 123 caught in the hospital grounds while the Gspine and 13s start bunching

trellheim

Only going to get worse as the childrens hospital starts to ramp up

TranslatorPS

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034350#Comment_122034350

Conyngham Road garage are redoing their schedules into the "zone" arrangement of what were previously stand-alone routes or pairs of routes getting bigger, joint working timetables for increased driver efficiency. There might be minor adjustments associated with that, but this should be primarily a working timetable change rather than a public timing change. The 68+69 is slated to be worked together with the 60. The L54 should join the G1+G2, while the current 26+L53 bill will get the S2 appended to it.

cgcsb

There was talk late last year of bringing in rapid build bus bus measures on advance of the cbc roll out. The bus gate at St James was mentioned specifically. That seems to have fallen by the side

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122034705#Comment_122034705

Think they are starting with bus gates on the quays in the summer, I expect the rest will follow.

Qrt

That hospital car park needs to me made pre-book only, no exceptions. If you’re suddenly so sick you can’t take a taxi/PT, then I think an ambulance is your best bet.

RVEEH consistently notifies patients that parking is non-existent and the world hasn’t caved in.

loco_scolo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122035809#Comment_122035809

It's been like that months, can't understand why nothing has been done about it. They should at least make it one way for cars through the hospital, with cars exiting at James Luas.

At the least this would stop traffic backing up and blocking the Luas. The inbound bus would still suffer though.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122035278#Comment_122035278

That was never part of the bus connects programme though. I hope that mount brown, rathmines and stoneybatter aren't forgotten about until spade finally hits ground on the cbcs

BusGuy

I'd say a few more revised timetables will happen before the E spine launches.

cgcsb

Nny update on it? I'm seeing a lot of leaner buses on tolka valley road. But no start date for the E/N2 phase.

I really think that if the bus gates on the quays happen in August it will really boost the reliability of Dublin Bus and might help speed up the rollout of bus connects. It would be great to get another of the main spines and the O in place by the end of the year and start work on college green plaza next year.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122052686#Comment_122052686

Part of the test route

bikeman1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122052686#Comment_122052686

The only thing that will speed up the rollout of Bus Connects is the recruitment of lots more drivers.

It seems to be moving along nicely at the moment.

One thing I don’t know why they don’t do it here, is the offering of job share contracts, 25%/50%/75% time or weekend work. Plenty of different ways of working these days. Some people would gladly do a few hours every week.

oliver_murray

Saw one of the new EA fleet single decker electric buses running along the SCR, must be doing training for the O orbital?

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063228#Comment_122063228

Wow brilliant. They're going to have to do something about the bit around Heuston

dublinman1990

I watched a youtube video showing an EA doing runs around Celbridge last Friday.

The description of it said it was seen along some parts of the L58/L59 route.

loyatemu

I've been watching a lot of empty Dublin Bus vehicles crossing the Eastlink bridge, and wondering why there's no actual route. It quite awkward to get to the southside from that end of the north quays (OK you can walk over to Ringsend but the bridge is quite pedestrian unfriendly).

Looking at the BC map an obvious improvement would be to extend the S2 over the bridge to meet the N4, or maybe even up to Fairview to connect with the N2 as well. this would provide good connectivity between the D & H spines on the northside and the B spine on the Southside (and the Dart and Redline Luas):

side note: is there a version of the big map somewhere that doesn't go blurry when you zoom in?