Do you draw water to cattle?

whelan2

Just wondering. Neighbour brings water to some cattle in a slurry tanker. Then he brings aluminum milk churns on a transport box to others. Would be able to pipe water to some of them. Seems to take alot of his time.

Sam Kade

A lot of bollixing around when he can pipe water to them. I had an outside farm one time with cattle and gravity fed an old oil tank to a water trough. The right job for that would be two ibc tanks on wheels with fitted water troughs and a ball cock on top of the tank for over night filling without supervision. You'd have one tank in the field at all times.

ganmo

it'll definitely educate you on how much they drink! bleedin hardship but sometimes its gotta be done

Muckit

Still a lot of neighbours here bringing barrels on transport boxes

Cavanjack

Some lads would have nothing to do all summer if they weren't drawing water. IBC's, slurry tanks, blue barrels, old milk tanks.... rooting.
Saw a lad drawing water for years and his neighbour with piped water across the ditch.

sonnybill

I have ibc and its on wheels with 60 ltr trough on back , 10 sucklers and a teaser were doing the 1000litres in a day last June hot period , amazing what they will suck into them, Need to drill a well out there

patsy_mccabe

We drew water for years to a small field away from the house. One day a guy at the back of the field offered a connection to his supply. Fierce decent of him and saved us serious hassle.
I arrived out to the field one day to find the mains supply being dug in front of the field. Got connected to it for €500 but it's cost me €160 last year . I'm only using a few metres so it's expensive water.

Muckit

Do you mean inexpensive? If you had to draw water how much would it cost you?

patsy_mccabe

Muckit wrote: »

Do you mean inexpensive? If you had to draw water how much would it cost you?

Well that was only one of my water bills. Add to that the home bill and it comes to well over 600 Euro. That's crazy when the rest of society doesn't pay a penny and I'm effectively paying for theirs too tru taxation.

The part time boy

We took a small farm that was next to us with no water supply . It was close and cheap so worth it .

We asked a house along side a field and asked him if he minded us tapping of his supply . He said ok . Worked grand for the year but when we came back the 2nd year it was discounted . Was drawing water for a bit untill I was in a small wood by the road and found a hose that was bend to stop the water. ( found out after The water supply was dirty so they tapped off the mains to flush it out ) so i connect up a tank and happy days . 6 months latter I came along and my hose was cut and bend back again to stop the water ( the hose is very close to a pumping station) . So I chanced connecting up again and hid the hose better this time and that lasted another 7 years untill I gave up the lease

Muckit

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Well that was only one of my water bills. Add to that the home bill and it comes to well over 600 Euro. That's crazy when the rest of society doesn't pay a penny and I'm effectively paying for theirs too tru taxation.

You're on a rant now and you didn't answer my question. €500 is standard for a connection and cheap at that . Do you know the price of the water meter alone, then add digger and labour.

If you had to draw water 32 times, could you do it for €5 a time incl your time? Youd b drawing a hell of a lot more times than 32....

Other option is to bore a well or two. Do you know your costings there to install and then run with electricity and pump upkeep?

It's all how u look at it lad. And l see you condone stealing water. Lovely.

davidk1394

In 1 outside block of land we use a 900 gallon tanco tank and a water tank on the back of it. Simple operation but we're going putting in a solar powered water pump and fencer for the place in a few months. I think it'll cost 1,200

patsy_mccabe

Muckit wrote: »

....And l see you condone stealing water. Lovely.

What?

Wildsurfer

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What?

He's referring to you liking part time boys post above where he outlines he's inability to take a hint

Muckit

Patsy can you not see the hypocrisy? You were raving on about what l presume are people in towns getting 'free' water paid from your taxes while on the other hand you thanked a post where a farmer on here openly admitted to hooking up to somebody elses water supply without permission!

Is it ok to expect someone else to pay for your water so long as you are a farmer?

Reggie.

Muckit wrote: »

Patsy can you not see the hypocrisy? You were raving on about what l presume are people in towns getting 'free' water paid from your taxes while on the other hand you thanked a post where a farmer on here openly admitted to hooking up to somebody elses water supply without permission!

Is it ok to expect someone else to pay for your water so long as you are a farmer?

I think you misread the post muckit. I think the pipe was the water supply for the land originally.

Either that or I misread the post

The part time boy

"Stealing water "

Dont make me laugh lol

I did not tap into someone house without persimmon . I did not tap into the main line . I found a hose that taped into the main line that the council had done and were not using anymore .

Now if your saying that stealing fair play to ya . You should become a pope or something the white would suit ya

Wildsurfer

The part time boy wrote: »

"Stealing water "

Dont make me laugh lol

I did not tap into someone house without persimmon . I did not tap into the main line . I found a hose that taped into the main line that the council had done and were not using anymore .

Now if your saying that stealing fair play to ya . You should become a pope or something the white would suit ya

You're just digging more holes for yourself lad... To add to the one you made to 'hide' the pipe better!

The part time boy

To be honest I don't care the slightest lol . I love holier than thou bu*****t from some people on here ( not just this item)

I presume none of these people never speed or grow no weeds on there farms

So who was I stealing from ? The tax payer? Well then lads I so sorry to ye all .

Maybe I should have bore a well or paid for a connection on a farm i was taking on yearly basics

By the way the same mains line I found the hose attached to as been leaking 30 meters away for the last 15 years into the field I was renting . Loads of phone calls made and no interest to fix it . And to this day its still pouring away . Lot more water has been wasted there than my few cattle drinking a bit .

Allah snackbar

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

We drew water for years to a small field away from the house. One day a guy at the back of the field offered a connection to his supply. Fierce decent of him and saved us serious hassle.
I arrived out to the field one day to find the mains supply being dug in front of the field. Got connected to it for €500 but it's cost me €160 last year . I'm only using a few metres so it's expensive water.

You realise everyone that pays tax pays for water indirectly , I assume you're self employed so any loss made or machinery bought can be offset against any tax liability if your accountant is any good a lot of rural dwellers are on private schemes so you're not special in any regard , you seem to think you're being unfairly treated for some reason

freedominacup

Allah snackbar wrote: »

You realise everyone that pays tax pays for water indirectly , I assume you're self employed so any loss made or machinery bought can be offset against any tax liability if your accountant is any good a lot of rural dwellers are on private schemes so you're not special in any regard , you seem to think you're being unfairly treated for some reason

Ah no. Most if not all of us on here pay tax and pay for urban dwellers water indirectly. We pay directly for our own water the same way most rural dwellers do. As self employed people our abilty to offset costs against income is the same as any self employed person. I don't get your point there????

Allah snackbar

freedominacup wrote: »

Ah no. Most if not all of us on here pay tax and pay for urban dwellers water indirectly. We pay directly for our own water the same way most rural dwellers do. As self employed people our abilty to offset costs against income is the same as any self employed person. I don't get your point there????

But as a business aren't you paying for water anyway , whether it's a farm or a engineering factory you still have to pay water charges , everyone that works pays tax to contribute to society , you can't just say you pay tax so therefore you're subsidising urban water users , you pay tax to benefit society to provide services , you can't pick and choose which tax you want to pay

Muckit

I am no angel and never claimed to be! Being a pope wouldn't suit me as l like a bit of rumpy pumpy.. ..saying that it never stopped some of the other members of the church! But l digress...

I never picked you up personally part time boy on what you did. Rather l was saying people shouldn't be thinking it alright for some people to be getting something for nothing but that somehow it's wrong for others to do so.

The part time boy

Muckit wrote: »

I am no angel and never claimed to be! Being a pope wouldn't suit me as l like a bit of rumpy pumpy.. ..saying that it never stopped some of the other members of the church! But l digress...

I never picked you up personally part time boy on what you did. Rather l was saying people shouldn't be thinking it alright for some people to be getting something for nothing but that somehow it's wrong for others to do so.

Fair enough !

patsy_mccabe

If there was a tap nearby, I'd fill a bucket and throw it over the lot of ye, like my Granny used to do with fighting cats.

J.O. Farmer

Allah snackbar wrote: »

But as a business aren't you paying for water anyway , whether it's a farm or a engineering factory you still have to pay water charges , everyone that works pays tax to contribute to society , you can't just say you pay tax so therefore you're subsidising urban water users , you pay tax to benefit society to provide services , you can't pick and choose which tax you want to pay

I think you fail to see how most farms have 1 connection for the house and business and a lot of these were private schemes so farmers and rural dwellers generally have always paid for water.
The government tried to bring in water charges and all of a sudden there's protests that it should be paid through general taxation. However farmers pay general taxation and
pay for the domestic water unless there's a separate connection to the house which is not charged for.
Nobody is picking and choosing services but if farmers pay tax and pay for their water then the taxes are going to pay for urban dwellers water but not their own domestic usage. It was never an issue until the water charges came in either.
I know it can be argued that a domestic allowance can be made but that's what the government proposed for everyone and it didn't go down well.
Personally I think everyone has a right to water but that's not the same thing as a right to water piped clean to your kitchen tap and everyone should be paying some kind of charge based on usage even if only excessive usage.

The part time boy

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

. However farmers pay general taxation and
pay for the domestic water unless there's a separate connection to the house which is not charged for.
.

That's not actally ture. Not in cork anyway couple of years ago.

We had on mains connection for house and yard . The bill had a domestic allowance build into it for the house. Now how fair the allowance was I not too sure

Limestone Cowboy

Have one field rented from an uncle with no piped water to it. Mains running by it but I'm not going paying for a connection when he could decide to flog it at any stage. Used to get water from a neighbouring farmer there who had use of the hayshed but he cut me off without saying anything....didn't take his hay out of the shed though. Dug a big hole in the side of a hill and fenced it off. In average west of Ireland weather it has plenty of water and I piped a gravity flow to a trough at the bottom of the hill. Supplying water to three houses and 2 farmers along with ourselves at home from a supply we piped from 2 miles away and have a big concrete storage tank, a pure headache is all it is. As soon as the water stops everyone is knocking at the door and they didn't buy an inch of pipe between them.

J.O. Farmer

The part time boy wrote: »

That's not actally ture. Not in cork anyway couple of years ago.

We had on mains connection for house and yard . The bill had a domestic allowance build into it for the house. Now how fair the allowance was I not too sure

Have I misread your post or you mine.

I was saying most farms probably have a single connection which serves both the house and yard. Therefore all water for both go through the one meter. The only way to separate out domestic and commercial use would be separate connections. Then of course people would run hoses from the house.

Are you saying there was 2 seperate connections the domestic allowance makes me think not.

The domestic allowance will never be fair until it applies to everyone in that if a farmer leaves the kitchen sink tap running all winter to stop it freezing or regularly waters his lawn in summer just for the hell of it, washes his car once a week leaving the hose running for an hour (all wasting water) they pay for it as I assume this isn't accounted for in the allowance.

If I live in the town and do the same it won't matter I won't pay. This is why everyone should be metered and excessive usage charged for with extra allowances made if there are some justifiable reason.

sonnybill

Water is always great crack in a village

The part time boy

I say I must have mis read Yours post .

I taugh you were saying if there was only one connection farmer has to pay water for his house . As there no domestic allowance for farmers .

I would actally agree with what you say

Allah snackbar

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

I think you fail to see how most farms have 1 connection for the house and business and a lot of these were private schemes so farmers and rural dwellers generally have always paid for water.
The government tried to bring in water charges and all of a sudden there's protests that it should be paid through general taxation. However farmers pay general taxation and
pay for the domestic water unless there's a separate connection to the house which is not charged for.
Nobody is picking and choosing services but if farmers pay tax and pay for their water then the taxes are going to pay for urban dwellers water but not their own domestic usage. It was never an issue until the water charges came in either.
I know it can be argued that a domestic allowance can be made but that's what the government proposed for everyone and it didn't go down well.
Personally I think everyone has a right to water but that's not the same thing as a right to water piped clean to your kitchen tap and everyone should be paying some kind of charge based on usage even if only excessive usage.

I agree with you that everyone should pay for water , but is the issue the fact that urban dwellers are getting water paid for through taxes that farmers pay , what percentage of tax is paid for by farmers as opposed to non farmers ? , everyone benefits from state services that are paid through taxes , I'm childless but my taxes still pay for child support , is that fair on me

J.O. Farmer

Allah snackbar wrote: »

I agree with you that everyone should pay for water , but is the issue the fact that urban dwellers are getting water paid for through taxes that farmers pay , what percentage of tax is paid for by farmers as opposed to non farmers ? , everyone benefits from state services that are paid through taxes , I'm childless but my taxes still pay for child support , is that fair on me

Well if the argument (not necessarily yours) is that water should be paid for through general taxation for domestic use then it should be paid for everyone who uses water for domestic purposes which is everyone including farmers.

The percentage of tax is irrelevant as everyone pays different amounts of tax either directly or indirectly and state services should not be based on how much tax you paid. If we applied that logic there'd be nothing outside Dublin.

I don't see the problem with the child benefit as it goes to all children not just a particular sector of society. If you do have children you can claim then.

arctictree

Have a well on an out farm. Costs me about 300 a year ESB plus maintenance. Seriously thinking of switching to solar but the ESB link could be handy if I ever needed it for something else.

I said

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Have one field rented from an uncle with no piped water to it. Mains running by it but I'm not going paying for a connection when he could decide to flog it at any stage. Used to get water from a neighbouring farmer there who had use of the hayshed but he cut me off without saying anything....didn't take his hay out of the shed though. Dug a big hole in the side of a hill and fenced it off. In average west of Ireland weather it has plenty of water and I piped a gravity flow to a trough at the bottom of the hill. Supplying water to three houses and 2 farmers along with ourselves at home from a supply we piped from 2 miles away and have a big concrete storage tank, a pure headache is all it is. As soon as the water stops everyone is knocking at the door and they didn't buy an inch of pipe between them.

Ya might remind them of that the next time

lakill Farm

Had land taken off a lad for a few years with limited supply from a spring. it would dry up sometimes.

So I put up 1 bay of scaffold, 2 IBC and a drinker. I use to take the empty IBC tank home and fill it.

Then the 2nd year I "sourced" an upstand and key and filled it up the road from the field. you can buy a licence to use the stand pipes from Westmeath co co and charged by the M3.

"sourced" means 2 rough lads in inner Dublin had an upstand, key and roll of hose on donedeal

cute geoge

lakill Farm wrote: »

Had land taken off a lad for a few years with limited supply from a spring. it would dry up sometimes.

So I put up 1 bay of scaffold, 2 IBC and a drinker. I use to take the empty IBC tank home and fill it.

Then the 2nd year I "sourced" an upstand and key and filled it up the road from the field. you can buy a licence to use the stand pipes from Westmeath co co and charged by the M3.

"sourced" means 2 rough lads in inner Dublin had an upstand, key and roll of hose on donedeal

Very interesting but I can't figure out what you are on about .What is an upstand and key,stand pipes .I am lost completely

Wessel3

im in a similar boat needing water to rented land. ive an old frame of a trailer and an axle im hoping to get put together to hold one or 2, prob 1, IBC tanks. any one made a gravity fed drinker on an Ibc that could put some pics up of it for idea, thanks

lakill Farm

cute geoge wrote: »

Very interesting but I can't figure out what you are on about .What is an upstand and key,stand pipes .I am lost completely

what the fire brigade use to take water from the mains water

MF290

How the folk on the Aran islands do it

_Brian

Know of a place where two farmers fell out, one lad threw a battery into the tank the other was drawing water with.
Poisoned a few cattle

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

Know of a place where two farmers fell out, one lad threw a battery into the tank the other was drawing water with.
Poisoned a few cattle

Bad act there

_Brian

Reggie. wrote: »

Bad act there

T'was a bad feud, contractor went in to cut silage, harvester picked up a piece of reebar, swapped harvester and few rounds later picked up another, both harvesters out of action.. Walked the field and there were a few more bent in such a way that they would sit up and be caught. Couldnt be proven but they were obviously planted there to cause trouble.. started over a car wing mirror broken as cattle were being moved on the road

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

T'was a bad feud, contractor went in to cut silage, harvester picked up a piece of reebar, swapped harvester and few rounds later picked up another, both harvesters out of action.. Walked the field and there were a few more bent in such a way that they would sit up and be caught. Couldnt be proven but they were obviously planted there to cause trouble.. started over a car wing mirror broken as cattle were being moved on the road

Small acorns

Muckit

A great pub story that one. U just about listen to it after a few pints. How had the contractor wronged him? And how did metal detectors fail on 2 harvesters? So many questions!

Muckit

Reggie. wrote: »

Small acorns

Grow into the FBD oak tree?

cjpm

Muckit wrote: »

A great pub story that one. U just about listen to it after a few pints. How had the contractor wronged him? And how did metal detectors fail on 2 harvesters? So many questions!

Metal detectors are a relatively recent addition to SP harvesters. Plenty of the early ones had none.

smaller trailed harvesters are relying on shear bolts in the pickup. If something gets through you are fcuked

_Brian

Muckit wrote: »

A great pub story that one. U just about listen to it after a few pints. How had the contractor wronged him? And how did metal detectors fail on 2 harvesters? So many questions!

It's an old story.
No metal detectors on old double chop harvesters.
Happened about 6 miles from home.

Muckit

Ah right. Twas a dirty deed, especially dragging a third innocent party into it.

Attie

Muckit wrote: »

A great pub story that one. U just about listen to it after a few pints. How had the contractor wronged him? And how did metal detectors fail on 2 harvesters? So many questions!

Tis not a pub story as I know to my cost .

Mooooo

Would most not have a well on main farm? Have two here one for house and deeper one for cows, in summers cows go thru some amount of it. Had fenced off a patch down to a stream on rented ground but it was a bollix to keep heifers in