Broombridge...WTF??

XPS_Zero

So I had to go to Broombridge today...

I stepped off the train and looked around. I could only conclude that between the time I left Pearse and then, a nuclear exchange had taken place and the Russians decided to waste a warhead on inner city Dublin even though it has no strategic value.
Any second I expected feral children wielding weapons from previously forgotten human civilization to appear and start referring to me as "outlander!". I wondered if I needed one of those BSL IV suits they use when working with Ebola samples.

Why is this station in such a state? I thought the Luas was due to end here soon it looks like a wasteland. Are they not going to fix it up? I noticed some construction work is that for the Luas or are they actually gonna fix this station? Even the machines were not like other smartcard machines they looked like abandoned computers from the 1980s caked in dirt and grime.

Del.Monte

And this surprised you?

somesoldiers

Has been like that for years. It has actually improved since the LUAS building, some state of the art building going on there. I always thought it was an odd place to concentrate development given that they wouldn't even put a train station there. I lived on Carnlough Road for a time 10 years back but have only ever gone through it on the train since then. I never had any bother but a very dodgy area particularly if you venture up to the Cabra House

beauf

Some construction? Slight under statement no. Major construction has been underway for a year.

The existing station, used to be worse. It's in an isolated urban location and attracts a lot of anti social activity. Train gets hit by stones there a bit.

Davidth88

Remember going through there... Guys were riding motorbikes up and down the platforms while onlookers stood around bonfires on the platform shouting and drinking from yellow pack lager tins ... mad place

n97 mini

As above. It's an order of magnitude better than it was. I counted 27 burnt out cars where the Luas works are one morning on my way to work, with number 27 still on fire.

Nice to see they've thought of the locals though. All those nice big blank walls on the Luas buildings just begging for some eh artwork.

Del.Monte

n97 mini wrote: »

As above. It's an order of magnitude better than it was. I counted 27 burnt out cars where the Luas works are one morning on my way to work, with number 27 still on fire.

Nice to see they've thought of the locals though. All those nice big blank walls on the Luas buildings just begging for some eh artwork.

I doubt there's any spray paint left in the Greater Dublin Area judging by the state of the DART lines.

XPS_Zero

Del.Monte wrote: »

And this surprised you?

I live in Killiney and went to school in Blackrock, worked in Dun Laoghaire, Dalkey, Greystones, Shankill, Killiney, went to college in UCD, I've never set foot into the area before today.

Davidth88 wrote: »

Remember going through there... Guys were riding motorbikes up and down the platforms while onlookers stood around bonfires on the platform shouting and drinking from yellow pack lager tins ... mad place

If this is half true, then I hope a new Garda stations going nearby too.

Anyone know what made them decide Luas was to stop the Green line here? Especially given the Green line was always the ''good'' line?
When is Luas Cross City due to open?
Are there plans anywhere or estimate photos of what the new Luas will look like in the area? or in general

Del.Monte

Deedsie wrote: »

Hopefully some of the locals will be able get some employment opportunities with the new Luas and that.

Righty, or maybe it would be simpler for the Luas operators to pay them protection money.

n97 mini

15 year olds aren't looking for jobs.

Del.Monte wrote: »

Righty, or maybe it would be simpler for the Luas operators to pay them protection money.

Or just put up fences a metre back from all buildings to keep spray cans out if range of walls.

XPS_Zero

n97 mini wrote: »

15 year olds aren't looking for jobs.



Or just put up fences a metre back from all buildings to keep spray cans out if range of walls.

Or if we stopped paying their parents for producing them.

So look at this.... https://cloud.lovindublin.com/images/uploads/2017/01/_blogWide/Depot5.jpg?mtime=20170116110508

Notice the rail station looks IDENTICAL?

For a major terminus I'd expect :

1. Station office with 3 or so vending machines, benches and waiting area and vending machines
2. Maybe a Pearse style roof
3. Security speakers and panic buttons like other staitons
4. Improved lighting
5. High quality CCTV

Rezident

Broombridge is a Skanger stronghold. They used to hop on the train at Broombridge, grab peoples' laptops and phones and hop off. Lovely place.

but sure they get their free houses, and free medical care and free money from us every week (plus a Christmas bonus!) so why would they not think they are entitled to whatever they want?

Victor

I was actually there last week and it's in much better condition than it was previously.

Other than the construction works, the only thing I found objectionable was one motorbike on the canal towpath.

Admittedly, at Reilly's Bridge, there is a lot of graffiti and some vandalism.

beauf

XPS_Zero wrote: »

...I've never set foot into the area before today....

There are lots of places like that all over Dublin. You should get out more.

Consider that BroomBridge is about the same distance from town as Sydney Parade Train Station but off peak it gets a train 30 mins at peak and 60 minutes off peak. Whereas SP get the dart every ....

It will be interesting how the luas effects the area.

OldMrBrennan83

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MySandwich

Victor wrote: »

Admittedly, at Reilly's Bridge, there is a lot of graffiti and some vandalism.

There's a horse living in the fenced off bit beside that bridge, think it used to just roam around where the luas works are now.

At least nothings been set on fire around there lately

Spanish Eyes

Yikes, the Green Line veterans are going to have a culture shock.

They have been sequestered up to now.

No more Red Line anecdotes, it will be Green Line too now.

Imagine that. Broombridge Luas users infiltrate the Green Line.

n97 mini

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Or if we stopped paying their parents for producing them.

So look at this.... https://cloud.lovindublin.com/images/uploads/2017/01/_blogWide/Depot5.jpg?mtime=20170116110508

Notice the rail station looks IDENTICAL?

For a major terminus I'd expect :

1. Station office with 3 or so vending machines, benches and waiting area and vending machines
2. Maybe a Pearse style roof
3. Security speakers and panic buttons like other staitons
4. Improved lighting
5. High quality CCTV

I posted before about the station being made an integrated intermodal station. One particular poster (blocked since) here thought that was worthy of ridicule.

n97 mini

beauf wrote: »

There are lots of places like that all over Dublin. You should get out more. .

Not on the rail network though.

Spanish Eyes

n97 mini wrote: »

I posted before about the station being made an integrated intermodal station. One particular poster (blocked since) here thought that was worthy of ridicule.

You must be demented. We don't do joined up transport in this city. Are you ok?

There is no bus connection with Hazelhatch in Celbridge for example. More than an hour on the bus, but fifteen mins on the train from there.

Cannot get my head around this. But the residents of that place need to agitate. Not me I suppose.

Just using it as an example.

magicbastarder

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Anyone know what made them decide Luas was to stop the Green line here? Especially given the Green line was always the ''good'' line?

is that a serious question? as in why they didn't stop the red line there instead, and not ruin the precious green line?

anyway, check it out on google maps. space and unused sidings.

wordofwarning

Deedsie wrote: »

Hopefully some of the locals will be able get some employment opportunities with the new Luas and that.

Nah. I love when the residents of Ballymun blamed their social issues, crime and drug problem on the lack of services, employment opportunties etc. Yet the private housing resident 100 metres away were not unemployed and engaging in the same activities. I can't stop laughing when residents of Ballymun believe it failed as they didn't have enough shops in the area.

Yet if you ask the residents of social housing in the middle of the city with no shortage of services/employment why there was so much crime and drug abuse. There is no solid answer either

tupenny

Patww79 wrote: »

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My and my brothers used to love that back in the day! Counting the cars, who'd get closest to the result and would there be a brick thrown / would ithat shatter the window. ****in loved train journeys to town . Not messing either. Ahhh nostalgia..

LeinsterDub

Something something poor people. Something something stabbed to death by jackeens

beauf

wordofwarning wrote: »

Nah. I love when the residents of Ballymun blamed their social issues, crime and drug problem on the lack of services, employment opportunties etc. Yet the private housing resident 100 metres away were not unemployed and engaging in the same activities. I can't stop laughing when residents of Ballymun believe it failed as they didn't have enough shops in the area. ...

...I think they proved you wrong in Trading Places...

beauf

n97 mini wrote: »

Not on the rail network though.

That may not be unrelated.

That so many of the poorer areas of the city are not well served by rail links.

http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/another-reversal-of-fortunes-for-prices-in-tallaght-34302984.html

beauf

Broom Bridge, also known as Brougham Bridge, is a small bridge along Broombridge Road which crosses the Royal Canal in Cabra. The bridge is named after William Broom, one of the directors of the Royal Canal company. Broom Bridge is the location where Sir William Rowan Hamilton, following a 'eureka experience', first wrote down the fundamental formula for quaternions on 16 October 1843, which is to this day commemorated by a stone plaque on the northwest corner of the underside of the bridge. The text on the plaque reads:

“ Here as he walked by on the 16th of October 1843 Sir William Rowan Hamilton in a flash of genius discovered the fundamental formula for quaternion multiplication i? = j? = k? = ijk = −1 and cut it on a stone of this bridge. ”
Given the historical importance of the mathematical contribution, mathematicians have been known to make a pilgrimage of sorts to the site.

The station was opened on 2 July 1990,[1] with two "accessible" platforms.[2] It is the last station approaching Dublin served by both branches of the Western Commuter line, before the line splits between trains heading to Connolly Station and those going to Docklands.The station is unmanned and has been subject to vandalism significant and sustained enough for Iarnr?d ?ireann to be concerned and questions asked about it in the D?il.[3][4] The lack of shelter for passengers or seating facilities was similarly questioned,[5] and in 2012, additional security measures added and some seating and decoration added in advance of the station's redesign as part of the Luas Cross City project. The station is expected to be fully rebuilt in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broombridge_railway_station


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabra,_Dublin

somesoldiers

beauf wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broombridge_railway_station


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabra,_Dublin

More likely to hear "wanna by a quarter mister" nowadays than anyone doing mattymatticks

Riskymove

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There is no bus connection with Hazelhatch in Celbridge for example. More than an hour on the bus, but fifteen mins on the train from there.

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There is a shuttle bus from celbridge to station

Dravokivich

XPS_Zero wrote: »

Even the machines were not like other smartcard machines they looked like abandoned computers from the 1980s caked in dirt and grime.

It took a long time to get a validator there because they had been destroyed. It looks so different because it's bigger than the others to withstand it. Apparently it had been reported that a previous one had been kicked down with a horse.

It's not unique to Broombridge.

I've noticed Leixlip Lousia Bridge gets locked up now when unmanned due to issues with people loitering. I've also heard that the validators put up in Kilcock in preperation of them joining the Short Hop Zone have been damaged too.

magicbastarder

beauf wrote: »

Broom Bridge, also known as Brougham Bridge, is a small bridge along Broombridge Road

i did chuckle when the announcements on the train changed from 'droichead na scuab' to 'droichead broom'; obviously someone pointed out that broom in this instance was not the plant so the translation was in error.

Tombo2001

XPS_Zero wrote: »

I live in Killiney and went to school in Blackrock, worked in Dun Laoghaire, Dalkey, Greystones, Shankill, Killiney, went to college in UCD, I've never set foot into the area before today.




If this is half true, then I hope a new Garda stations going nearby too.

Anyone know what made them decide Luas was to stop the Green line here? Especially given the Green line was always the ''good'' line?
When is Luas Cross City due to open?
Are there plans anywhere or estimate photos of what the new Luas will look like in the area? or in general

I think you've answered your own question there to some extent.

Regardless of boys on Mopeds - you would not find a railway stop in this state in Sandymount or Dalkey.

The local TD would not allow it, because the voters would not allow it.

Similarly - I was going past a park in Finglas a few weeks ago. Big park; the grass hadn't been cut, grown long like a meadow.

Would not happen two miles down the road in Glasnevin.

Tazz T

You think it looks bad now? You should have seen it last year. It was a like a scene from the latest Mad Max movie. I could couldn't comprehend what was going on in the head of the person who decided this was going to be the Luas terminal. But it's positively genteel in comparison now.

optogirl

XPS_Zero wrote: »

I live in Killiney and went to school in Blackrock, worked in Dun Laoghaire, Dalkey, Greystones, Shankill, Killiney, went to college in UCD, I've never set foot into the area before today.




If this is half true, then I hope a new Garda stations going nearby too.

Anyone know what made them decide Luas was to stop the Green line here? Especially given the Green line was always the ''good'' line?
When is Luas Cross City due to open?
Are there plans anywhere or estimate photos of what the new Luas will look like in the area? or in general

Does Cabra not deserve the 'good line'? Broombridge is improving & the area is in dire need of better transport links. I have lived here for more or less 40 years & used Broombridge every day of college - never had one issue apart from the fact that it was a bit badly lit. Things can only get better

peteeeed

XPS_Zero wrote: »

So I had to go to Broombridge today...

I stepped off the train and looked around. I could only conclude that between the time I left Pearse and then, a nuclear exchange had taken place and the Russians decided to waste a warhead on inner city Dublin even though it has no strategic value.
Any second I expected feral children wielding weapons from previously forgotten human civilization to appear and start referring to me as "outlander!". I wondered if I needed one of those BSL IV suits they use when working with Ebola samples.

Why is this station in such a state? I thought the Luas was due to end here soon it looks like a wasteland. Are they not going to fix it up? I noticed some construction work is that for the Luas or are they actually gonna fix this station? Even the machines were not like other smartcard machines they looked like abandoned computers from the 1980s caked in dirt and grime.

basically it was the most vandalised station on the network , the booking office was robbed a few times and irish rail wanted to close the station but a TD for the area would not allow it to be closed . so IR took away most of the cameras etc that were being vandalised

Zebra3

peteeeed wrote: »

basically it was the most vandalised station on the network , the booking office was robbed a few times and irish rail wanted to close the station but a TD for the area would not allow it to be closed . so IR took away most of the cameras etc that were being vandalised

Similar situation in Kilbarrack back in the early/mid 90s.

Moral of the story: You don't let a small number of thugs dictate an area. Even less well off areas of the city deserve decent PT, not just areas populated by white collar criminals.

Del.Monte

Zebra3 wrote: »

Similar situation in Kilbarrack back in the early/mid 90s.

Moral of the story: You don't let a small number of thugs dictate an area. Even less well off areas of the city deserve decent PT, not just areas populated by white collar criminals.

Very good!

ThisRegard

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Similarly - I was going past a park in Finglas a few weeks ago. Big park; the grass hadn't been cut, grown long like a meadow.

Would not happen two miles down the road in Glasnevin.

Fingal have (or used to) have a policy of allowing grass to grow long before cutting under the Growing Places Initiative.

tabbey

beauf wrote: »

The existing station, used to be worse. Train gets hit by stones there a bit.

Definitely used to be worse.

The thuggish behaviour was not so much from Cabra, a mature area, but across the canal in South Finglas. The latter developed in the mid 1970s, by the 80s and 90s, it had a lot of teenagers with nothing to do, or no inclination to do something useful.
Since then those youths have grown up and moved on.

The stone throwing was a nightmare twenty years ago, especially with single glazing. At least with double glazing, usually only the outer glass gets smashed. It was a more scary experience in a Park Royal or earlier vehicle observing vicious scum throwing stones across the canal.

I could never understand why the Garda Siochana turned a blind eye to such stone throwing at trains, they used come out in force when road vehicles were attacked on the Chapelizod bypass. It is easy to see who uses trains and who only care about their cars.

Rudi Guliani had the right idea, zero tolerance, here it seems we only intervene when somebody has advanced to murder.

n97 mini

Not sure if the scrotes are all from Finglas. The most common graffiti in Leixlip Confey station is the word "CABRA", sometimes in 6ft high letters. Maybe they don't vandalise Broombridge and save it all up for Leixlip...

Del.Monte

Sadly we don't do zero tolerance in Ireland. Look at the state that the DART line is in and the showpiece AVIVA stadium - which I have repeatedly highlighted with the IRFU, FAI, CIE, Leo Varadkar (when it was his responsibility), Ivana Bacik and Uncle Tom Cobley...to no avail. They know if they keep on ignoring people's complaints they will eventually leave them alone to concentrate on accumulating wealth and getting re-elected. I'm pretty well sick of complaining about things as most people seem oblivious to the country becoming a dirty, dangerous kip.

wordofwarning

Del.Monte wrote: »

Sadly we don't do zero tolerance in Ireland. Look at the state that the DART line is in and the showpiece AVIVA stadium - which I have repeatedly highlighted with the IRFU, FAI, CIE, Leo Varadkar (when it was his responsibility), Ivana Bacik and Uncle Tom Cobley...to no avail. They know if they keep on ignoring people's complaints they will eventually leave them alone to concentrate on accumulating wealth and getting re-elected. I'm pretty well sick of complaining about things as most people seem oblivious to the country becoming a dirty, dangerous kip.

Are we living in the same city? Dublin has never had so little graffiti. I know in my area, if you call DCC to report graffiti, it is removed within a day. About 20 years ago, the city was covered in it. Now it is not very common. I can't remember the last time I seen graffiti on a Dublin bus, when 10 years ago upstairs was usually plastered in it

Dublin has never been clearer, safer and graffiti free. Yet it is becoming a kip for some people...

Del.Monte

wordofwarning wrote: »

Are we living in the same city? Dublin has never had so little graffiti. I know in my area, if you call DCC to report graffiti, it is removed within a day. About 20 years ago, the city was covered in it. Now it is not very common. I can't remember the last time I seen graffiti on a Dublin bus, when 10 years ago upstairs was usually plastered in it

Dublin has never been clearer, safer and graffiti free. Yet it is becoming a kip for some people...

I was referring to along the DART lines in particular and if you think that it's cleaner than ever you need to go get out more. It's absolutely disgusting and I'm ashamed that it is seen by so many visitors every day. Railway property, private property, schools, business premises, apartment blocks - anything that doesn't move is daubed.

And, fortunately, I don't live in the Greater Dublin anymore and wild horses wouldn't drag me back there.

tabbey

wordofwarning wrote: »

Are we living in the same city? Dublin has never had so little graffiti. I know in my area, if you call DCC to report graffiti, it is removed within a day. About 20 years ago, the city was covered in it. Now it is not very common. I can't remember the last time I seen graffiti on a Dublin bus, when 10 years ago upstairs was usually plastered in it

Dublin has never been clearer, safer and graffiti free. Yet it is becoming a kip for some people...

Only this morning I travelled on a 29 class railcar, in green livery, totally destroyed with graffiti. (0715 Connolly - Drogheda)

n97 mini

wordofwarning wrote: »

Are we living in the same city? Dublin has never had so little graffiti. I know in my area, if you call DCC to report graffiti, it is removed within a day. About 20 years ago, the city was covered in it. Now it is not very common. I can't remember the last time I seen graffiti on a Dublin bus, when 10 years ago upstairs was usually plastered in it

Dublin has never been clearer, safer and graffiti free. Yet it is becoming a kip for some people...

Irish Rail assets aren't within the remit of any local authority. I agree with Del Monte... Graffiti is at a high point on the network currently.

beauf

wordofwarning wrote: »

Are we living in the same city? Dublin has never had so little graffiti.....

Dublin has never been clearer, safer and graffiti free. Yet it is becoming a kip for some people...

See a lot of it on the Maynooth Train lines lately. Especially close to the city center. Recently I was looking at it thinking it seems to have a got a lot worse lately. Wandering around city center I see a fair bit also .

ClovenHoof

n97 mini wrote: »

I posted before about the station being made an integrated intermodal station. One particular poster (blocked since) here thought that was worthy of ridicule.

That was me. I was not blocked I was banned by the Snowflake Mods to appease the trainspotters who think the 1924 MGW timetable should be retained.

All trains, both Sligo and Maynooth commuter should be stopping at Broombridge. It has the making of a superb interchange station. But like the Phoenix Park tunnel, it'll take 20 years before anyone - CIE and those inclined towards 'consists' and 'loose coupled goods' between the rail transport powerhouses of Gort and Cahir - wise up.

Victor

There is a fair bit of graffiti in Dublin. Not necessarily (formerly) blank walls in housing estates that was common in the past, but a lot of tagging (including with stickers) in busy areas, along rail lines and disturbingly, there is competition to put it in the most stupid elevated locations possible on buildings.

magicbastarder

it's kinda amusing, discussing graffiti in broombridge, given its claim to fame is having been graffitied many years ago.

ThisRegard

Del.Monte wrote: »

I was referring to along the DART lines in particular and if you think that it's cleaner than ever you need to go get out more. It's absolutely disgusting and I'm ashamed that it is seen by so many visitors every day. Railway property, private property, schools, business premises, apartment blocks - anything that doesn't move is daubed.

And, fortunately, I don't live in the Greater Dublin anymore and wild horses wouldn't drag me back there.

Do you live in any other city, Ireland or outside of? It certainly doesn't sound like it.

bk

Certainly graffiti and general vandalism is way down in general across the city (same in Cork).

Of course it is still there, but far, far less then in the past.

This is most clearly seen on Dublin Buses (and city buses in Cork), which 20 years ago would have been absolutely covered in graffiti internally and ripped seating, etc.

Nowadays in is a rarity to see it.

It has reduced IMO for two reasons:

1) Newer, nicer buses that are refreshed more quickly. People are more likely to vandalise, old looking, neglected things. Nice shiny new things generally get left alone.

2) Smart phones, previously a lot of vandalism was due to bored teenagers. Now they are all distracted by facebook, instragram, etc.

Of course yes, graffiti, in particular tagging is still ripe on the rail network. This is completely down to Irish Rail.

New York subway is the poster child on how to fix this problem. Back in the 80's NYC subways would be absolutely covered head to toe with Graffiti. Today for the most part it is all gone!

How did they achieve this? They started a policy that the minute fresh Graffiti was spotted on a train, it would be immediately taken out of service and repainted. They set up a dedicated painting facility exactly for this purpose.

They also did the same for station walls, tunnels and bridge, with a dedicated crew on standby to go clean up and repaint any fresh graffiti reported on the network.

As a result, after just one year, the amount of graffiti massively reduced. The taggers realised that there work wouldn't last more then a few hours and thus it wasn't worth it (spray paint is relatively expensive for a bored youth).

In fairness, it seems DCC has implemented the same policy and while far from perfect, they seem to have done a good job in reducing the amount of Graffiti. Irish Rail on the other hand seem to be far slower to sort their property in a similar manner.