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2017/18 ERCC draw - Thursday 8th June

  • 08-05-2017 10:35am
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    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Following the final rounds of matches in the Guinness PRO12, Aviva Premiership and TOP 14 regular seasons, EPCR has confirmed the following 19 clubs have qualified for the 2017/18 Champions Cup.

    Guinness PRO12 ? Munster Rugby, Leinster Rugby, Scarlets, Ospreys, Ulster Rugby, Glasgow Warriors, Benetton Rugby

    Aviva Premiership ? Wasps, Exeter Chiefs, Saracens, Leicester Tigers, Bath Rugby, Harlequins

    TOP 14 ? La Rochelle, ASM Clermont Auvergne, Montpellier, RC Toulon, Castres Olympique, Racing 92

    EPCR have confirmed that the Pool Draws for 2017/18 Champions Cup and Challenge Cup will take place in Neuch?tel, Switzerland on Thursday, June 8.

    The 20th place for next season?s tournament will be decided by a series of play-off matches.

    If Gloucester Rugby win Friday evening?s Challenge Cup final at BT Murrayfield, they will take the place of Northampton Saints ? the seventh-ranked club from the Aviva Premiership ? in Play-off 1.

    Champions Cup play-offs ? 19/20/21 May

    Play-off 1: Northampton Saints (Aviva Premiership seventh-ranked club) or Gloucester Rugby v Connacht Rugby (PRO12 ninth-ranked club)

    Play-off 2: Stade Fran?ais Paris (TOP 14 seventh-ranked club) v Cardiff Blues (PRO12 eighth-ranked club)

    The Premiership and TOP 14 clubs will have home advantage.

    Play-off Final ? 26/27/28 May

    Winner Play-off 1 v Winner Play-off 2

    The winner of the Play-off Final takes the 20th place in the 2017/18 Champions Cup

    The remaining 18 clubs from the Aviva Premiership, the Guinness PRO12 and the TOP 14 which have not qualified for the Champions Cup will play in the 2017/18 Challenge Cup.

    The 19th and 20th places in next season?s Challenge Cup have been secured by Russia?s Enisei-STM and Krasny Yar who will play in the Continental Shield final at the BT Murrayfield complex on Saturday.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 irishbucsfan


    Anyone know the date of the final in Bilbao yet? (Just a murmuring of a rumour?)

    I'm a bit warey of accomodation this time round, there's dodgy geezers what is snapping up all them beds

    On another note, looking forward to the Krasny Yar/Enise match. Game of the season, I'll be there with the hipflask.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,540 ✭✭✭✭ Eod100


    Anyone know the date of the final in Bilbao yet? (Just a murmuring of a rumour?)

    I'm a bit warey of accomodation this time round, there's dodgy geezers what is snapping up all them beds

    Guess if it follows last 2 years and it's the 2nd Saturday in May again it'll be 12 May 2017. Will they confirm it at the pool draw probably?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,016 ✭✭✭ Bridge93


    Anyone know when the last time Leinster drew the Italian team was? I cant recall it. Would be nice to get them


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,230 ✭✭✭✭ Venjur


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Anyone know when the last time Leinster drew the Italian team was? I cant recall it. Would be nice to get them

    We tend to do best coming out of tough groups historically speaking.

    I can't remember personally, it's been a good while.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Anyone know when the last time Leinster drew the Italian team was? I cant recall it. Would be nice to get them

    it is difficult as being a pro12 team you have to have a french and english team in the pool and that leaves only 1 other slot ....and now there is only one italian team to get but a couple of english and/or French


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Am I right in saying Scarlets as top seeds have to draw Treviso? IIRC the top seeded PRO12 side has to be paired with a bottom seed PRO12 side.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 Former Former


    Am I right in saying Scarlets as top seeds have to draw Treviso? IIRC the top seeded PRO12 side has to be paired with a bottom seed PRO12 side.

    No.

    Teams can only be paired with another team from the same league when the second team is in tier 4, but it is not guaranteed that it must be tier 1 plus tier 4.

    So any of the Irish provinces could just as easily get Treviso.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 Former Former


    Tiers are almost there now.

    Tier 4 is Glasgow, Castres, Quins, Treviso and Saints.

    Tier 3 is Ulster, Bath, Montpellier and two of (Ospreys, Leicester, Racing).

    Tier 2 is Leinster, Saracens, La Rochelle, one runner up and one of (Ospreys, Leicester, Racing), whichever one is from the same league as the Tier 2 runner up.

    Tier 1 is Exeter, Scarlets, French champs and two runners up.

    Not sure there's any easy permutations really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Assuming Clermont beat Toulon, we could have:

    1: Exeter, Scarlets, Clermont, Munster, Wasps
    2: Saracens, Leinster, La Rochelle, Toulon, Racing
    3: Bath, Ulster, Montpellier, Ospreys, Leicester
    4: Harlequins, Glasgow, Castres, Saints, Treviso

    Best case scenario: Munster, La Rochelle, Bath, Treviso
    Worst case scenario: Munster, Saracens, Montpellier, Glasgow

    We could have Munster, Saracens, Toulon, Glasgow if the draw for tiers goes another way. Yikes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    4 : Glasgow, Castres, Quins, Treviso and Saints.

    3: Ulster, Bath, Montpellier and two of (Ospreys, Leicester, Racing).

    2: Leinster, Saracens, La Rochelle, one runner up and one of (Ospreys, Leicester, Racing), whichever one is from the same league as the Tier 2 runner up.

    1: Exeter, Scarlets, Clermont and two runners up.

    Updating FF's post.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,374 ✭✭✭✭ molloyjh


    Might be easier to view it like this.

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    Possible pool of death:

    Clermont
    Saracens
    Ulster
    Racing


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    Then table clearly shows how little difference there is in being in 1 or 2

    it also clearly shows how much of an outlier Treviso is and makes the decision to change this even more sound.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,667 ✭✭✭ aloooof


    Riskymove wrote: »
    Then table clearly shows how little difference there is in being in 1 or 2

    it also clearly shows how much of an outlier Treviso is and makes the decision to change this even more sound.

    Agreed. It's 2018/19 it comes in, right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris


    Munster - Montpellier - Bath - Treviso

    That wouldn't be too bad


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,374 ✭✭✭✭ molloyjh


    I'd take Exeter-Leinster-Castres-Treviso myself. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭ Riskymove


    There are 6 French and 7 English teams

    so one group will have two French teams and two groups will have two english teams


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭ slingerz


    Munster - Montpellier - Bath - Treviso

    That wouldn't be too bad

    I'd love a trip to Bath to be honest


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭ Rigor Mortis


    Munster - Montpellier - Bath - Treviso

    That wouldn't be too bad

    That would be a Montpellier team with picamoles, pienaar and cruden at 8,9 and 10.

    Good luck with that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭ Buer


    That would be a Montpellier team with picamoles, pienaar and cruden at 8,9 and 10.

    Good luck with that.

    Throw Bardy, Camara and Serfontein into the mix whilst ditching dead weight like Spies. Getting Montpellier as 3rd seeds might be the single sh*ttiest draw in the whole competition. I don't expect them to blow teams away on the road but I can't see many, if any, winning down there.

    Even if they're second seeds, I'd much rather a side like La Rochelle who will be concentrating on the T14 and consolidating rather than giving Europe too much attention.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,402 CMod ✭✭✭✭ awec


    Is the audio really badly out of sync for anyone else?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,374 ✭✭✭✭ molloyjh


    So from a Leinster perspective the tier 2 place makes this a bit crappy. Our possible opponents from tier 1 are Clermont, Toulon, Exeter and Wasps. For me Exeter would have to be the preferred selection there.

    Meaning that we can only get a French team in tier 3. So Montpellier and Castres. Given Montpelliers signings Castres would be preferred there.

    We could get Clermont, Leicester and Racing. That's probably the worst possible draw. Fingers crossed...... :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris


    awec wrote: »
    Is the audio really badly out of sync for anyone else?
    Yeah, same here


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,374 ✭✭✭✭ molloyjh


    awec wrote: »
    Is the audio really badly out of sync for anyone else?

    Slightly. Bloody ERCCCCCCCCCCCCCC.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Damn you Canal. If you signed up for the Euro rugby we could have Isabelle on today.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,374 ✭✭✭✭ molloyjh


    Damn you Canal. If you signed up for the Euro rugby we could have Isabelle on today.

    Just for you Thomond.....

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    ....and me. And every other guy here. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Connacht get Brive so far. Very good draw.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,599 ScrubsfanChris


    Brive - Connacht in Pool 5


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭ MaybeMaybe


    are the draws always so ... awkward?


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