8tb External Hard Drive - £179 on Amazon

slave1

As per thread title, External 8TB hard drive at great price on Amazon, just break her open and you have the cheapest 8tb internal hard drive going...

Seagate Backup Plus Hub 8 TB USB 3.0 Desktop, 3.5 inch External Hard Drive for PC and Mac with Integrated 2 Port USB Hub

sunny2004

Great price, but you would need as always a backup, and especially with seagate..

But a nice find, if it had 2 drives and raid I would jump all over it.

stimpson

sunny2004 wrote: »

Great price, but you would need as always a backup, and especially with seagate..

But a nice find, if it had 2 drives and raid I would jump all over it.

Like this one?

http://www.adverts.ie/12806062

11214

sunny2004 wrote: »

Great price, but you would need as always a backup, and especially with seagate..

But a nice find, if it had 2 drives and raid I would jump all over it.

I've been using both internal and external seagate drives for about fifteen years and never had a drive die on me.

wotzgoingon

8 terabit is very small.

But 8TB (terabyte) is a nice size.

Capt'n Midnight

slave1 wrote: »

As per thread title, External 8TB hard drive at great price on Amazon, just break her open and you have the cheapest 8tb internal hard drive going...

I'd be a little wary until confirmed

some of the drive companies are now integrating the USB 3 onto some external 2.5" drives so you don't get a proper SATA connector on the drive :mad:
hopefully this don't apply to this 3.5

slave1

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I'd be a little wary until confirmed

some of the drive companies are now integrating the USB 3 onto some external 2.5" drives so you don't get a proper SATA connector on the drive :mad:
hopefully this don't apply to this 3.5

All okay, I've taken one out previously and it's an Archive HDD ST8000AS0002, standard internal drive

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/8tb-(8000gb)-seagate-st8000as0002-archive-v2-35-hdd-sata-iii-6gb-s-5900rpm-128mb-cache-ncq

qwertz

240 in Argos if one prefers a local supplier and Irish warranty terms.

ED E

I'm going to need to rebuild the RAID soon. This might be just the ticket. Thanks OP.

ED E

This sale is from Seagate not Amazon, other retailers have a similar discount:
https://geizhals.eu/seagate-backup-plus-hub-black-8tb-stel8000200-a1475932.html

McSween

Is this something you wirelessley upload to?

slave1

ED E wrote: »

I'm going to need to rebuild the RAID soon. This might be just the ticket. Thanks OP.

I'm taking the hard drive out for HTPC use so keep an eye for Warehouse ones, they've been popping up and I've bagged a few, not a mark on them and then when I hook up to the PC they are not recognised so they're returns from folk who can't manage hard drives, one you go to device manager etc they're 100% PWO, I'm getting 140 transfer speeds of large media files and steady as a rock. Warehouse price is around £10 cheaper and if you're breaking them out your warranty is gone out the window anyhow, they're not easy to get out without doing fair bit of damage to the enclosure...

Carne

Has anyone used this particular external hard drive before because looking at the specs it seems to be quite slow but I suppose that doesn't matter if you're only concerned with storage.

ED E

McSween wrote: »

Is this something you wirelessley upload to?

Nope, not a NAS.

Carne wrote: »

Has anyone used this particular external hard drive before because looking at the specs it seems to be quite slow but I suppose that doesn't matter if you're only concerned with storage.

Where'd you get that?

On the performance side, the Backup Plus performed quite well. I was able to reach very close to 200 MB/s read while writes topped out around 185 MB/s. This is surely plenty of performance for archival purposes. The included backup software, Seagate Dashboard, has long been a staple with external solutions and offers a great alternative to the built-in Windows backup.

Read more: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7875/seagate-backup-plus-hub-8tb-external-drive-review/index.html

Its a single disk, 180 is plenty fast for one spinning hunk of rust.

Carne

It's slow if you compare it to the 5tb external seagate drive that has 625mb / sec data transfer rate.

GekkePrutser

Carne wrote: »

Has anyone used this particular external hard drive before because looking at the specs it seems to be quite slow but I suppose that doesn't matter if you're only concerned with storage.

It's slow because it uses shingled recording. That means it's most suited to "archiving", writing lots of files at a time, sequentially. Not random access (e.g. actively working on files on this disk, storing running VMs etc). That's also where that 'Archive' branding of the internal drive comes from.

With Shingled recording, they try to solve a problem of increasing track density. The write head has a wider magnetic field than the tracks are wide. For reading this is not a problem, but when you write, it wipes the nearby tracks as well. Because of this, several tracks need to be rewritten when you change something. During contiguous access (filling the drive sequentially) this is not a problem because it lays the "shingles" in the right way. These drives are also notoriously slow in RAID rebuilds for this reason.

Mind you, they're not bad drives. 180 pounds is a brilliant price for this much data storage. But they are a bit compromised for certain use cases. If you use them simply to store stuff longterm and mostly read they'll serve you well. Just don't expect to be working on large photoshop libraries or booting your computer off them.

The other way manufacturers have solved the density problem is filling the drives with helium, but because that tends to leak out, they have to be built very solidly. Normal drives are actually not airtight at all. So there's 8TB drives that do random access well but they cost a lot more.

ED E

Carne wrote: »

It's slow if you compare it to the 5tb external seagate drive that has 625mb / sec data transfer rate.

It doesnt.

It might peak to that while the cache fills, but try copying a 1GB file and see what speeds you get.

KOR101

That's one I follow, and it's a very good price.

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B01IAD5ZC6

wil

GekkePrutser wrote: »

It's slow because it uses shingled recording. That means it's most suited to "archiving", writing lots of files at a time, sequentially. Not random access (e.g. actively working on files on this disk, storing running VMs etc). That's also where that 'Archive' branding of the internal drive comes from.

With Shingled recording, they try to solve a problem of increasing track density. The write head has a wider magnetic field than the tracks are wide. For reading this is not a problem, but when you write, it wipes the nearby tracks as well. Because of this, several tracks need to be rewritten when you change something. During contiguous access (filling the drive sequentially) this is not a problem because it lays the "shingles" in the right way. These drives are also notoriously slow in RAID rebuilds for this reason.

Mind you, they're not bad drives. 180 pounds is a brilliant price for this much data storage. But they are a bit compromised for certain use cases. If you use them simply to store stuff longterm and mostly read they'll serve you well. Just don't expect to be working on large photoshop libraries or booting your computer off them.

The other way manufacturers have solved the density problem is filling the drives with helium, but because that tends to leak out, they have to be built very solidly. Normal drives are actually not airtight at all. So there's 8TB drives that do random access well but they cost a lot more.

Any insights in to failure rates for these type of consumer drives. 8 Gb is a lot of data to lose. Doesn't give much details on workload compared to commercial drives. I've had a few seagates die on me in the past.
Is there much benefit to the usb hub facility or is it a bit gimmicky?

KOR101

wil wrote: »

Any insights in to failure rates for these type of consumer drives. 8 Gb is a lot of data to lose. Doesn't give much details on workload compared to commercial drives. I've had a few seagates die on me in the past.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-benchmark-stats-2016/

wil

KOR101 wrote: »

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-benchmark-stats-2016/

Very interesting stats there. Wonder what drives are in these enclosures, hardly enterprise standard. Presume consumer would be well below commercial or enterprise, but then that's what you are paying for. Just shows when seagate produce a bad batch they really are that. 90% failure on those 1.5 Tb.
Good reason to avoid same drives in a critical RAID, from experience.:(

bk

Remember RAID is NOT a backup.

You should always have your important files in at least 2 places, preferably 3, with one of those being offsite.

stimpson

wil wrote: »

Very interesting stats there. Wonder what drives are in these enclosures, hardly enterprise standard. Presume consumer would be well below commercial or enterprise, but then that's what you are paying for. Just shows when seagate produce a bad batch they really are that. 90% failure on those 1.5 Tb.
Good reason to avoid same drives in a critical RAID, from experience.:(

These are actually enterprise grade drives, albeit for a particular purpose i.e. archiving. The sustained write speeds are poor on these and they are not a good choice for RAID or NAS use. There is a good review of them here:

http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_archive_hdd_review_8tb

slave1

Exactly, people need to be cognisant of what they will be using these for, they would be brutal to boot a PC off but perfect for my needs which are HTPC storage and JBOD backup, I can copy across my network at 140 constant speed and no problems with playing high bit rate 4k mkv files and copying to same drive at the same time.
These are perfect for intended use.

GekkePrutser

Just a note, this thing is also available at Argos for 239 euro (which is not a lot more than 179 sterling when you add conversion charges and Parcel Motel). Also, it is in stock there in most places whereas Amazon has it listed as available in 2-4 weeks.

So it might be an alternative for someone who is in a hurry. I just got mine there.

Edit: Oops sorry I see qwertz had already mentioned this on the previous page.

ED E

Amazon has mine still dispatching. So much for Prime.

bk

GekkePrutser wrote: »

Just a note, this thing is also available at Argos for 239 euro (which is not a lot more than 179 sterling when you add conversion charges and Parcel Motel). Also, it is in stock there in most places whereas Amazon has it listed as available in 2-4 weeks.

You don't need Parcel Motel for this. Amazon will deliver it direct to Ireland for free.

And while it says 2 - 4 weeks, I ordered it a week ago when it said the same and it has now shipped just a few days later.

Finally 179 GBP is €212 that is still a nice €27 cheaper then argos, I'd rather have in my pocket. Personally I'd consider that quiet a bit more.

ED E

Oh F'ck off Amazon.

TheDriver

I shudder when I see that crowd tho they have gotten better

GekkePrutser

bk wrote: »

You don't need Parcel Motel for this. Amazon will deliver it direct to Ireland for free.

And while it says 2 - 4 weeks, I ordered it a week ago when it said the same and it has now shipped just a few days later.

Finally 179 GBP is €212 that is still a nice €27 cheaper then argos, I'd rather have in my pocket. Personally I'd consider that quiet a bit more.

I kinda need Parcel Motel anyway - I'm usually not home during the day and the an post depot is way out of town. Also, Amazon will charge Irish VAT when they deliver to Ireland. That's 3% more than UK VAT so that's another 6 euro or so - which you save by using Parcel Motel. So for UK items parcel motel usually pays for itself for anything over 130 euro.

But I was only looking ast the Amazon EUR price at the checkout, it was 225 when I checked.. I didn't realise there was that much of a difference. I know their Euro amounts are a bit inflated. And I didn't realise that they ship much sooner than indicated. If I'd known I would have ordered it there.

KOR101

Below £170 now.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL8000100/dp/B01HD6ZLQ6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1508270856&sr=8-2&keywords=seagate+8tb+external

Popeleo

KOR101 wrote: »

Below £170 now.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL8000100/dp/B01HD6ZLQ6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1508270856&sr=8-2&keywords=seagate+8tb+external

That looks like it is coming in from the U.S., so potential for the Revenue Commissioners to have their way with your anal area.

IIRC, that was STG£119 on Amazon Prime Day this year, so maybe it will be similar on Black Friday?


Edit: I see that there is some import VAT included but looks like at UK rates. Anyway, it won't deliver to Ireland, so PM or somesuch is needed.

KOR101

They're watching.......

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/track/057277221c981efced0c852c999f1a622616fefb

iLikeWaffles

lmao 180 MB per second transfer rate 5,900 rpm nope

slave1

I have 7 of these in my HTPC, still 140 transfer speeds and rock solid

ablelocks

slave1 wrote: »

I have 7 of these in my HTPC, still 140 transfer speeds and rock solid

56TB!!! That's an awe-full amount of ... whatever it is you're storing

Popeleo

slave1 wrote: »

I have 7 of these in my HTPC, still 140 transfer speeds and rock solid

Did you strip out the hard drives or do you have a mini-Stonehenge of Seagate boxes?

If you did, I presume they have standard SATA connectors? If so, I might look out for one or two on Black Frday and build a Plex server.

slave1

Popeleo wrote: »

Did you strip out the hard drives or do you have a mini-Stonehenge of Seagate boxes?

If you did, I presume they have standard SATA connectors? If so, I might look out for one or two on Black Frday and build a Plex server.

They are all stripped out and standard SATA, I'm into 4k now so films jumping up to 50-60gig and TV episodes 14-20gig so lots of storage needed

slave1

Guys, outrageous price of £155 currently on Amazon.
These are a newer model, again I harvested and again no issues

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IAD5ZC6/?tag=hotukdeals062-21

KOR101

slave1 wrote: »

Guys, outrageous price of £155 currently on Amazon.
These are a newer model, again I harvested and again no issues

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IAD5ZC6/?tag=hotukdeals062-21

Just got two. Thanks.

It's strange that they haven't released a 10tb one yet. It's a long time now since the 8tb ones were introduced. Or do those drives use a different technology?

editorsean

I bought this drive earlier in the year when it fell to £200 and thought I did well, ... Whoops! Either way, I'm happy with it and the performance turned out to be a lot better than I expected. The two front USB ports are indeed USB3 and will power a USB 2.5" HDD fine also, which some PC front USB ports struggle with.

For anyone curious in seeing actual file copy transfer graphs, the left image is copying a 15GB file (virtual disk image) from this external 8TB HDD (to an SSD). The right image is copying that same file back to the external 8TB HDD. As I have it filled to about 90% capacity, this write speed is being limited by the slower inner section of the platters, as with any mechanical hard disk.



As this hard disk uses shingled recording, it is quite slow writing small files. The following two file copy graphs show it reading 8776 JPEG files (10.1GB total) and writing this same file set. In this case, it took 3 times longer to write the file set. I rebooted the PC in-between each copy to clear the cache.

slave1

KOR101 wrote: »

Just got two. Thanks.

It's strange that they haven't released a 10tb one yet. It's a long time now since the 8tb ones were introduced. Or do those drives use a different technology?

Don't know, what I can tell you is that I usually have to format these in 'manage devices' after harvesting but this time around it was recognised as an 8tb straight away which was handy, also the previous ones I had could only be secured with two screw points but this one allowed the traditional four secure points which again was handier for me when installing...

Dravokivich

slave1 wrote: »

Guys, outrageous price of £155 currently on Amazon.
These are a newer model, again I harvested and again no issues

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IAD5ZC6/?tag=hotukdeals062-21

hmmm... is there a guide available to go over what's required to do that, or is it fairly simple?

Could be interested if the enclosure is possible to re-use. But comments on that page don't seem to suggest it is.

slave1

Dravokivich wrote: »

hmmm... is there a guide available to go over what's required to do that, or is it fairly simple?

Could be interested if the enclosure is possible to re-use. But comments on that page don't seem to suggest it is.

Afraid it's a case of slowly break it open, I have a rake of them now, they can be used again but not in the best shape, USB cables and external PSU perfect obviously

pm1977x

slave1 wrote: »

Guys, outrageous price of £155 currently on Amazon.
These are a newer model, again I harvested and again no issues

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IAD5ZC6/?tag=hotukdeals062-21

Thanks, couldn't ignore it at that price, it can join my growing collection of drives I don't really need but can't resist!

KOR101

Don't think I've seen it this cheap before....£144.41 + £7.08 UK Delivery

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL8000100/dp/B01HD6ZLQ6?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAJ7T5BOVUVRD2EFYQ&tag=camelwatch-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01HD6ZLQ6

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL8000100/product/B01HD6ZLQ6?locale=UK&context=price_watch

GerardKeating

KOR101 wrote: »

Don't think I've seen it this cheap before....£144.41 + £7.08 UK Delivery

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL8000100/dp/B01HD6ZLQ6?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAJ7T5BOVUVRD2EFYQ&tag=camelwatch-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01HD6ZLQ6

https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-STEL8000100/product/B01HD6ZLQ6?locale=UK&context=price_watch

Note the "Estimated Import Fees Deposit", sounds like it is coming from outside the EU.

slave1

GerardKeating wrote: »

Note the "Estimated Import Fees Deposit", sounds like it is coming from outside the EU.

Dispatched from and sold by Amazon US in the seller description...

KOR101

I think their estimate of Import Fees is usually accurate.

This is model "STEL8000100" rather than "STEL8000200" if that makes any difference.

And, I see the 10TB version is finally out......

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-Desktop-External-Creative-Photography/dp/B076DGG3QW/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1521543439&sr=1-2&keywords=seagate+10tb+hub

SPAWKER

If the hard drive was extracted from this could it be used in a cctv dvr ?

Standard Toaster

Is it recommended not to use these SMR drives in a raid config? Raid 1 on a nas device.