Dublin Pride Membership

Annasopra

http://theoutmost.com/news/major-change-dublin-pride-parade-route/

As per the above article Dublin Pride soon has it's AGM

Dublin LGBTQ Pride will host its Annual General Meeting on Tuesday May 16 in The Central Hotel, Exchequer Street, Dublin 2, at 7pm. To attend the AGM you have to be a member of Dublin Pride.

?It?s a membership-based organisation, so it?s essentially owned by its members,? says Dowling. ?The more people that become members, the more representative it is of the community.?

Sign up for membership of Dublin LGBTQ Pride

https://form.jotformeu.com/71112390705346

I would really encourage everyone to join as a member of the Dublin Pride company. They are right. It is important to get people involved.

SILVAMAN

Why would anyone want to join this? I'm gay and don't need to join a group.
I also have a difficulty in being forcibly lumped in with trans people; can someone eloquently explain what changing one's gender has to do with same sex attraction?
There ought to be a separate trans group.
Let me pre empt the pc brigade;this is not trolling. It's a valid question.

robyntmorton

Is discrimination against someone based on ones gender identity not the same as discrimination against someone based on sexual orientation?

Is pride not about being proud of who you are, no matter who you are?

Should we not be working together to that combined aim - being able to be who you are, and being seen as a normal part of society.

You may think you have a valid question, but (and I risk the wrath of the mods for this) your idea that it shouldn't be LGBT is ****ing bull****. A group that spent a long time on the margins of society pushing another away is ludicrous.

Annasopra

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Why would anyone want to join this? I'm gay and don't need to join a group.
I also have a difficulty in being forcibly lumped in with trans people; can someone eloquently explain what changing one's gender has to do with same sex attraction?
There ought to be a separate trans group.
Let me pre empt the pc brigade;this is not trolling. It's a valid question.

I am a member of the Pride company. I have been for years. I joined because the company was changing at the time and it needed a lot of new members and needed to move on from the past. I also strongly believe in Pride as a community event. It has been for many years. The direction has changed from one of politics and campaigning and visibility to one that is more about celebration. Pride is still very much relevant in my mind.

Don't take personal offense silvaman. Noone is forcing you to join anything.

The T in lgbtq is there for very good historical, cultural and political reasons. Historically in the stonewall riots it was the trans people who stood for gay rights first. Of course sexual orientation and gender identity are completely separate but there are also many paralells and things in common; discrimination, use of same social spaces etc.

learn_more

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Why would anyone want to join this? I'm gay and don't need to join a group.
I also have a difficulty in being forcibly lumped in with trans people; can someone eloquently explain what changing one's gender has to do with same sex attraction?
There ought to be a separate trans group.
Let me pre empt the pc brigade;this is not trolling. It's a valid question.

I sympathise with your question as I've asked myself same. For me it comes down to conformism and relates to many things in life not just sexuality. It applies to religion, your sexuality, your sports interests and other trivial things.

The idea that everyone should be the same is a physiological poision imo which is often seen in majority demographics. Not an eloquently reply as you request but when I look at it that way I don't mind being 'lumped in with transgender people'.

SILVAMAN

robyntmorton wrote: »

Is discrimination against someone based on ones gender identity not the same as discrimination against someone based on sexual orientation?

Is pride not about being proud of who you are, no matter who you are?

Should we not be working together to that combined aim - being able to be who you are, and being seen as a normal part of society.

You may think you have a valid question, but (and I risk the wrath of the mods for this) your idea that it shouldn't be LGBT is ****ing bull****. A group that spent a long time on the margins of society pushing another away is ludicrous.

Based on that logic one should embrace everyone else on the margins of society?

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The T in lgbtq is there for very good historical, cultural and political reasons. Historically in the stonewall riots it was the trans people who stood for gay rights first. Of course sexual orientation and gender identity are completely separate but there are also many paralells and things in common; discrimination, use of same social spaces etc.

No. It was the drag queens/transvestites. Not the same as a transsexual.
What other groups are discriminated against in society? Women who want autonomy over their own bodies? Blacks? Drug addicts? Women in niquabs? I can support or show solidarity/compassion with those other elements in society, but I refuse to be lumped in with them.
I'm waiting for the next letter to be added to LGBQT...
and I have nothing in common with Caitlyn Jenner except that we must share the same planet.
As for groups that set themselves up as representatives of gay pride events, take a look at what happened in the NYC when Heritage of Pride began to run the show. The Pride parade has become a commercial event, no different from any other street fair or parade in the city except for the flag. Clearly someone has seen a the chance to make a buck and create a job for themselves. Dig deep and you'll find it's all about looking after number one. Doesn't matter what the event celebrates, someone is feathering their nest.

Annasopra

SILVAMAN wrote: »

No. It was the drag queens/transvestites. Not the same as a transsexual.
What other groups are discriminated against in society? Women who want autonomy over their own bodies? Blacks? Drug addicts? Women in niquabs? I can support or show solidarity/compassion with those other elements in society, but I refuse to be lumped in with them.
I'm waiting for the next letter to be added to LGBQT...
and I have nothing in common with Caitlyn Jenner except that we must share the same planet.

Yes. I said trans people.

As I said there is no need to get personally offended and noone is stopping you showing solidarity to whoever you want.

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yes. I said trans people.

As I said there is no need to get personally offended and noone is stopping you showing solidarity to whoever you want.

Transvestites, or cross dressers are not transsexuals.
You confuse transvestite with transsexual, or tranny(pejorative) with trans.
And I'm not offended . I'm calling it as I see it.

Annasopra

SILVAMAN wrote: »

As for groups that set themselves up as representatives of gay pride events, take a look at what happened in the NYC when Heritage of Pride began to run the show. The Pride parade has become a commercial event, no different from any other street fair or parade in the city except for the flag. Clearly someone has seen a the chance to make a buck and create a job for themselves. Dig deep and you'll find it's all about looking after number one. Doesn't matter what the event celebrates, someone is feathering their nest.

You can take a completely cynical viewpoint on peoples motives in life if you want. I know many many people who have volunteered freely of their time in Pride parades in various cities and they were not just doing that for selfish reasons. Of course some do get involved to feather their own nest but most don't.

Annasopra

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Transvestites, or cross dressers are not transsexuals.
You confuse transvestite with transsexual, or tranny(pejorative) with trans.
And I'm not offended . I'm calling it as I see it.

Nope.

I am not confusing anything. I used trans as an umbrella term.

robyntmorton

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Transvestites, or cross dressers are not transsexuals.
You confuse transvestite with transsexual, or tranny(pejorative) with trans.
And I'm not offended . I'm calling it as I see it.

You, Sir, appear to be confused. Trans* is an umberella term, covering all facets. Joey did not pick out one in particular, while you did.

Though at this point we are digressing further and further from the OP.

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Nope.

I am not confusing anything. I used trans as an umbrella term.

Trans specifically means transsexual or transgender.
How can you refer to a man who likes to wear women's clothes as trans? Does that mean he has changed his gender, or just his clothes?
To use it as a a catch all term is incorrect. It specifically refers to people who identify as or who have transitioned from one gender to another.

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You can take a completely cynical viewpoint on peoples motives in life if you want. I know many many people who have volunteered freely of their time in Pride parades in various cities and they were not just doing that for selfish reasons. Of course some do get involved to feather their own nest but most don't.

Cynical? Skeptical perhaps.

robyntmorton

If you want to get specific, trans, as defined medically by medicinenet is

Trans- (prefix): From the Latin meaning "across, over, or beyond." Medical terms containing "trans- " as a prefix include transcription, transfusion, transplant, transsexual, transurethral, transvaginal, transvestism, etc.

(Emphasis mine)

Annasopra

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Trans specifically means transsexual or transgender.
How can you refer to a man who likes to wear women's clothes as trans? Does that mean he has changed his gender, or just his clothes?
To use it as a a catch all term is incorrect. It specifically refers to people who identify as or who have transitioned from one gender to another.

No. Its not incorrect.

Trans can be and is used as a term that is inclusive of a wide variety of identities under the transgender umbrella.

robyntmorton

Oh, I also came across this link, which backs up what was said about the trans community being at the forefront of Stonewall

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-toilet-ban-law-donald-trump-revoke-president-america-fight-rights-repay-favour-a7595701.html

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

No. Its not incorrect.

Trans can be and is used as a term that is inclusive of a wide variety of identities under the transgender umbrella.

Define the transgender umbrella. It's a construct I'm not familiar with.

baby and crumble

Mod note: This is NOT the thread to question the inclusion of trans* individuals in the LGBTQ community. That topic has been discussed to death in here over the years. Return to the topic of the OP or risk infraction.

I would also caution against starting a thread re: trans* Inclusion. Check the charter re: discriminatory posting.

gizmo81

Dublin Pride has made some terrible decisions IMO (Speakers, route) in recent times, I'd be nervous of joining or does the committee change dramatically every year?

Also, I don't understand why Pride has moved on to celebration when there is still so much to fight for, PrEp/HPV, Education Equality, etc

Also, didn't the head of Dublin Pride say Gay Marriage was the ultimate goal and now there's nothing left to aim for in an interview?

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I am a member of the Pride company. I have been for years. I joined because the company was changing at the time and it needed a lot of new members and needed to move on from the past. I also strongly believe in Pride as a community event. It has been for many years. The direction has changed from one of politics and campaigning and visibility to one that is more about celebration. Pride is still very much relevant in my mind.

Don't take personal offense silvaman. Noone is forcing you to join anything.

The T in lgbtq is there for very good historical, cultural and political reasons. Historically in the stonewall riots it was the trans people who stood for gay rights first. Of course sexual orientation and gender identity are completely separate but there are also many paralells and things in common; discrimination, use of same social spaces etc.

SILVAMAN

baby and crumble wrote: »

Mod note: This is NOT the thread to question the inclusion of trans* individuals in the LGBTQ community. That topic has been discussed to death in here over the years. Return to the topic of the OP or risk infraction.

I would also caution against starting a thread re: trans* Inclusion. Check the charter re: discriminatory posting.

Oy vey, all too predictable and in bold print.
Unfortunately, it's a feature of the moderation of this section of Boards.ie that Joeytheparrot or Babyandcrumble will unfailingly support and thank each other's posts and attempt to stifle any debate that does not fit with their view of what is "correct".
The response to the OP's exhortation to join a group that draws in more groups under its umbrella over time is entirely valid, and your response is at best Erdoganesque.
Point out to me the discrimination that you claim I exhibit. I understand discrimination to mean that I actively seek to treat some other group by excluding them in a way that is actively detrimental to them.
I simply refuse to accept that changing ones gender is the same as being gay, and while I sympathise with their predicament and struggle and would support them in their choice and advocate on their behalf, it has nothing to do with homosexuality.
You threaten to shut me down by sanctioning me. Do it. I'd be delighted to make my case to the administrators. The world of Trump and Erdogan has suddenly come very close to home. Your attempts at moderation lessen the quality of this website.

Annasopra

gizmo81 wrote: »

Dublin Pride has made some terrible decisions IMO (Speakers, route) in recent times, I'd be nervous of joining or does the committee change dramatically every year?

Also, I don't understand why Pride has moved on to celebration when there is still so much to fight for, PrEp/HPV, Education Equality, etc

Also, didn't the head of Dublin Pride say Gay Marriage was the ultimate goal and now there's nothing left to aim for in an interview?

This is NOT about joining the committee. This is about joining the company as a member. It also gives you as a company member the democratic right to hold the Board to account.

I was speaking generally about Pride in the Western world in earlier posts. There is of course often many themes to Dublin Pride and they would be very supportive. I have never heard of any such interview.

gizmo81

Jason Flynn said in the Evening Herald 27 july 2015

"It's possible that we may have reached our peak, because essentially we're a political movement that fights for equal rights and you could argue that as of this year we've gained that," said Mr Flynn.

I'm sorry I don't have a link, I had it in a research paper.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

This is NOT about joining the committee. This is about joining the company as a member. It also gives you as a company member the democratic right to hold the Board to account.

I was speaking generally about Pride in the Western world in earlier posts. There is of course often many themes to Dublin Pride and they would be very supportive. I have never heard of any such interview.

Annasopra

gizmo81 wrote: »

Jason Flynn said in the Evening Herald 27 july 2015

"It's possible that we may have reached our peak, because essentially we're a political movement that fights for equal rights and you could argue that as of this year we've gained that," said Mr Flynn.

I'm sorry I don't have a link, I had it in a research paper.

Meh.

People make statements. As you said yourself there are still a number of issues to fight for. You know what though. If you join Dublin Pride as a company member you can question him over this statement and hold him to account.

gizmo81

Thanks I've put the date in the calendar

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Meh.

People make statements. As you said yourself there are still a number of issues to fight for. You know what though. If you join Dublin Pride as a company member you can question him over this statement and hold him to account.

baby and crumble

If you have an issue with mod actions then take it to pm Or to the admin team, don't argue back on thread. That is a standard rule across Boards.

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

This is NOT about joining the committee. This is about joining the company as a member. It also gives you as a company member the democratic right to hold the Board to account.

I was speaking generally about Pride in the Western world in earlier posts. There is of course often many themes to Dublin Pride and they would be very supportive. I have never heard of any such interview.

You wouldn't be allowed to join the committee as it's most likely populated by the socialists who know how best to spend your money and who also know what's best for you, and how you ought to think.
Life's too short to waste on such self-indulgent claptrap.
There's so much more constructive action you can take as an individual such as mentoring gay youth and challenging homophobia wherever you encounter it.

Goodshape

SILVAMAN wrote: »

can someone eloquently explain what changing one's gender has to do with same sex attraction?
There ought to be a separate trans group.

It's about having pride in yourself and freedom to be yourself despite societal 'norms' and expectations. It's a win for everyone the more people that get behind that and we lose nothing by welcoming all.

SILVAMAN

Goodshape wrote: »

It's about having pride in yourself and freedom to be yourself despite societal 'norms' and expectations. It's a win for everyone the more people that get behind that and we lose nothing by welcoming all.

I have plenty of pride and
have walked in pride parades since the mid 80s.
Don't lecture me please.

Goodshape

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Don't lecture me please.

You specifically asked the question I attempted to answer. It's not a lecture, nobody is out to get you, but your opinion isn't the popular one and you'd have to expect some resistance to it.

If you don't want to join a group because trans* people are involved, then don't. Good luck to you.

SILVAMAN

Goodshape wrote: »

You specifically asked the question I attempted to answer. It's not a lecture, nobody is out to get you, but your opinion isn't the popular one and you'd have to expect some resistance to it.

If you don't want to join a group because trans* people are involved, then don't. Good luck to you.

My opinion is not popular because I guess I'm the only one who will ask questions about the inclusion of transsexuals. Debate is being stifled by a group think that seeks to vilify anyone who dares to question what the agenda push.
This forum has an agenda which is driven by certain posters and they will do their utmost to shut down anyone who does not follow their perceived wisdom.

robyntmorton

You are always entitled to your (unpopular) opinion, just as I am entitled to say that your opinion is bull.

The OP was informing people that the Dublin Pride AGM was coming up, and that if you wanted to have your say, you needed to be a member. You said that you did not feel you needed to be a member to be who you are. Brilliant! I don't feel I need to be a member of TENI. It could have been left there, but instead you went into how the trans community shouldn't be a part of it, which goes away from what the OP was about.

The moderation, as I see it, was not stifling debate, it was trying to keep it on the topic of the OP. Unfortunately you objected to that, and are trying to push your own agenda, in a board called "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender". If you feel that the terms of reference of this forum and its aims should be changed, there are ways and means of expressing it. I encourage you do do so. Doing so here only serves to disrupt, and will most likely be dealt with by those who "will do their utmost to shut down anyone who does not follow their perceived wisdom."

To bring all of this back on topic though -

I don't believe that I should be a member of the Dublin Pride Company. I have no qualms or complaints about how things are being run. I am sure there are others that do though, and if that does describe someone reading this, please do make your voice heard. Siting back and thinking someone else will say it leads to nothing changing. I also hope that where something constructive is said, it is taken onboard, and that where change is recommended and promised, that those involved are held to account.

SILVAMAN

robyntmorton wrote: »

You are always entitled to your (unpopular) opinion, just as I am entitled to say that your opinion is bull.

The OP was informing people that the Dublin Pride AGM was coming up, and that if you wanted to have your say, you needed to be a member. You said that you did not feel you needed to be a member to be who you are. Brilliant! I don't feel I need to be a member of TENI. It could have been left there, but instead you went into how the trans community shouldn't be a part of it, which goes away from what the OP was about.

The moderation, as I see it, was not stifling debate, it was trying to keep it on the topic of the OP. Unfortunately you objected to that, and are trying to push your own agenda, in a board called "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender". If you feel that the terms of reference of this forum and its aims should be changed, there are ways and means of expressing it. I encourage you do do so. Doing so here only serves to disrupt, and will most likely be dealt with by those who "will do their utmost to shut down anyone who does not follow their perceived wisdom."

To bring all of this back on topic though -

I don't believe that I should be a member of the Dublin Pride Company. I have no qualms or complaints about how things are being run. I am sure there are others that do though, and if that does describe someone reading this, please do make your voice heard. Siting back and thinking someone else will say it leads to nothing changing. I also hope that where something constructive is said, it is taken onboard, and that where change is recommended and promised, that those involved are held to account.

So they have their own organisation, TENI. Wonderful.
DO you suggest that I open a thread specifically asking why"T" is appended to the Lesbian and Gay "community"?
By the way, who appointed this PRIDE committee as representatives of the gay and lesbian community?

Goodshape

SILVAMAN wrote: »

DO you suggest that I open a thread specifically asking why"T" is appended to the Lesbian and Gay "community"?

I wouldn't. It really has been discussed here before, and I don't think that long ago. Try a forum search. They tend to be heated and ugly debates and not sure we need it again. "Transgender" wasn't always a part of this forum's title and if wasn't added overnight.

By the way, who appointed this PRIDE committee as representatives of the gay and lesbian community?

Fair question. I actually don't know anything about how any of this is run. Terrible at keeping informed on these things. Which is why I signed up, to see what it's all about.

robyntmorton

SILVAMAN wrote: »

DO you suggest that I open a thread specifically asking why"T" is appended to the Lesbian and Gay "community"?

Short answer. No. You'll be eaten alive, because the prospect of you doing so has already been addressed by B&C (emphasis on the underline)

baby and crumble wrote: »

Mod note: This is NOT the thread to question the inclusion of trans* individuals in the LGBTQ community. That topic has been discussed to death in here over the years. Return to the topic of the OP or risk infraction.

I would also caution against starting a thread re: trans* Inclusion. Check the charter re: discriminatory posting.

SILVAMAN wrote: »

By the way, who appointed this PRIDE committee as representatives of the gay and lesbian community?

I honestly don't know. Perhaps as members of the LGBT community, they are representatives, just as you and I are. The difference is that they organised together to do something to make a difference. If you have a problem with their representing you, you know how you can make your voice heard.

Annasopra

SILVAMAN wrote: »

By the way, who appointed this PRIDE committee

The company members.

SILVAMAN

robyntmorton wrote: »

Short answer. No. You'll be eaten alive, because the prospect of you doing so has already been addressed by B&C (emphasis on the underline)

What a refreshingly honest response

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The company members.

And who are the company members to decide what is in the best interests of others?
Give us some names and backgrounds. Should be very enlightening.

Annasopra

SILVAMAN wrote: »

And who are the company members to decide what is in the best interests of others?
Give us some names and backgrounds. Should be very enlightening.

I don't have names and addresses and why on earth would I break data protection law? This is just bizarre.

Fair enough you don't want to join. There really is no need for all the agression and hostility towards everyone else.

Goodshape

SILVAMAN wrote: »

And who are the company members to decide what is in the best interests of others?

It could be you if you want it to be! Wasn't that the point of this thread once upon a time?

There's a link to sign up in the op!

gizmo81

I actually had a look there for you on the website but no where could i find a list of the committee members.

SILVAMAN wrote: »

And who are the company members to decide what is in the best interests of others?
Give us some names and backgrounds. Should be very enlightening.

SILVAMAN

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I don't have names and addresses and why on earth would I break data protection law? This is just bizarre.

Fair enough you don't want to join. There really is no need for all the agression and hostility towards everyone else.

Hey lighten up! Stop being so serious. It's all online.....http://dublinpride.ie/staff/

BTW I'm not aggressive, I have a low bull**** tolerance level.

Annasopra

gizmo81 wrote: »

I actually had a look there for you on the website but no where could i find a list of the committee members.

There is a list of board members and officers here

http://dublinpride.ie/staff/

Company members vote for board members at the AGM.

gizmo81

Thanks couldn't find it.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

There is a list of board members and officers here

http://dublinpride.ie/staff/

Company members vote for board members at the AGM.

L.Jenkins

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

http://theoutmost.com/news/major-change-dublin-pride-parade-route/

As per the above article Dublin Pride soon has it's AGM

Dublin LGBTQ Pride will host its Annual General Meeting on Tuesday May 16 in The Central Hotel, Exchequer Street, Dublin 2, at 7pm. To attend the AGM you have to be a member of Dublin Pride.

?It?s a membership-based organisation, so it?s essentially owned by its members,? says Dowling. ?The more people that become members, the more representative it is of the community.?

Sign up for membership of Dublin LGBTQ Pride

https://form.jotformeu.com/71112390705346

I would really encourage everyone to join as a member of the Dublin Pride company. They are right. It is important to get people involved.

Mod Note: A gentle reminder to all, this was the topic of the thread. If you want to discuss other issues, start a new thread.