Formula 1 2017: Round 4 - Russia Grand Prix

Harika

Putins favorite GP is on this weekend. Ferrari versus Mercedes or Hamilton versus Vettel goes on.



Friday Russian Grand Prix first practice Channel 4/Sky Sports F1 09:00
Friday Russian Grand Prix second practice live Channel 4/Sky Sports F1 4 13:00
Saturday Russian Grand Prix third practice live Channel 4/Sky Sports F1 10:00
Saturday Russian Grand Prix qualifying live Channel 4/Sky Sports F1 13:00
Sunday Russian Grand Prix live Channel 4/Sky Sports F1 13:00

Shannon757

Wonder what caused the cover to come off Ocon's car. Looked pretty dramatic.

Joeface

FP1 results for anyone that's interested

Pos Driver Team Time
1 Räikkönen FIN Ferrari 1'36.074
2 Bottas FIN Mercedes 1'36.119
3 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'36.681
4 Verstappen NED Red Bull 1'37.174
5 Vettel GER Ferrari 1'37.230
6 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'37.290
7 Perez MEX Force India 1'37.457
8 Massa BRA Williams 1'37.900
9 Stroll CAN Williams 1'37.944
10 Ocon FRA Force India 1'38.065
11 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'38.496
12 Magnussen DEN Haas 1'38.747
13 Alonso ESP McLaren 1'38.813
14 Sainz ESP Toro Rosso 1'38.976
15 Palmer GBR Renault 1'39.158
16 Grosjean FRA Haas 1'39.533
17 Vandoorne BEL McLaren 1'39.541
18 Wehrlein GER Sauber 1'39.731
19 Ericsson SWE Sauber 1'40.079
20 Sirotkin RUS Renault -

Notice Ocon ..always 10th

recyclebin

Kimi and Bottas might be out to impress the Russian neighbours this weekend!!

Joeface

Vandoorne gets Russian GP grid penalty... 15places (stupid should be just a time penalty at the end )

"Honda detected a suspected problem with the MGU-K on Vandoorne's car at the end of the first practice session, so will need to fit his car with a replacement unit. "


http://www.eurosport.com/formula-1/vandoorne-gets-russian-gp-grid-penalty_sto6145696/story.shtml

Harika

Ferrari seems to have to edge over Mercedes again, what is surprising as the cold weather was said to have favored Mercedes.

Jordan 199

Shannon757 wrote: »

Wonder what caused the cover to come off Ocon's car. Looked pretty dramatic.

Maybe it wasn't laced on properly

Joeface

FP2 lap Count

1 Sebastian Vettel GER 5 Ferrari 36
2 Kimi RÀikkönen FIN 7 Ferrari 36
3 Valtteri Bottas FIN 77 Mercedes 35
4 Lewis Hamilton GBR 44 Mercedes 33
5 Max Verstappen NED 33 Red Bull 15
6 Daniel Ricciardo AUS 3 Red Bull 26
7 Felipe Massa BRA 19 Williams 38
8 Nico Hülkenberg GER 27 Renault 37
9 Kevin Magnussen DEN 20 Haas 31
10 Sergio Perez MEX 11 Force India 37
11 Esteban Ocon FRA 45 Force India 38
12 Fernando Alonso ESP 14 McLaren 27
13 Jolyon Palmer GBR 30 Renault 22
14 Romain Grosjean FRA 8 Haas 30
15 Carlos Sainz Jr ESP 55 Toro Rosso 35
16 Stoffel Vandoorne BEL 47 McLaren 23
17 Daniil Kvyat RUS 26 Toro Rosso 34
18 Pascal Wehrlein GER 94 Sauber 28
19 Lance Stroll CAN 18 Williams 35
20 Marcus Ericsson SWE 9 Sauber 28


FP2 Times
Pos Driver Team Time
1 Vettel GER Ferrari 1'34.120
2 RÀikkönen FIN Ferrari 1'34.383
3 Bottas FIN Mercedes 1'34.790
4 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'34.829
5 Verstappen NED Red Bull 1'35.540
6 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'35.910
7 Massa BRA Williams 1'36.261
8 Hülkenberg GER Renault 1'36.329
9 Magnussen DEN Haas 1'36.506
10 Perez MEX Force India 1'36.600
11 Ocon FRA Force India 1'36.654
12 Alonso ESP McLaren 1'36.765
13 Palmer GBR Renault 1'36.771
14 Grosjean FRA Haas 1'37.039
15 Sainz ESP Toro Rosso 1'37.083
16 Vandoorne BEL McLaren 1'37.125
17 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'37.300
18 Wehrlein GER Sauber 1'37.441
19 Stroll CAN Williams 1'37.747
20 Ericsson SWE Sauber 1'37.819

Harika

Pole time last year was: 1:35.417

Frank Bullitt

Ferrari changed the turbo on both cars, already on their 3rd of the season.

AMKC

I see Haas are still having problems with there brakes and Romain Grojean ain,t to happy about it.

skipper_G

AMKC wrote: »

I see Haas are still having problems with there brakes and Romain Grojean ain,t to happy about it.

Am I the only one who finds his constant moaning annoying ? Not saying that brake issues don't dent a driver's confidence in the machinery. But he's like a broken record since last year.

El_Duderino 09

They said the turbos are still fully functional so I presume the new ones were upgrades. It will hurt them if they have to reuse the first iterations later in the season when Mercedes will presumably be installing upgrades.

If this is anything to go by, the first half of the season might be Ferrari's best chance of good results. It might swing back to Mercedes

skipper_G

I just watched 11 minutes of FP3 while having a cup of tea. I counted 4 separate Grosjean Moaning radio messages in that time. I wish they would stop showing so many of them, it's tedious.

On a positive note, qualy could be tasty judging by how close they are. Even Kimi & Bottas!

AMKC

skipper_G wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds his constant moaning annoying ? Not saying that brake issues don't dent a driver's confidence in the machinery. But he's like a broken record since last year.

No I doubt it I find it very annoying also. Much better if he just said we need to look at the brakes, or car balance or whatever it is thats not right with the car and find a solution to it with the team.

Mike Litoris

skipper_G wrote: »

I just watched 11 minutes of FP3 while having a cup of tea. I counted 4 separate Grosjean Moaning radio messages in that time. I wish they would stop showing so many of them, it's tedious.

On a positive note, qualy could be tasty judging by how close they are. Even Kimi & Bottas!

Yeah, he's up there with Hamilton when it comes to the tantrum style whinging.

Hamilton doesn't seem to be able to get it together this weekend at all. Kimi/Bottas - I forgot there was history there! Could be tasty indeed.

skipper_G

EJ feature on McLaren now on C4

Joeface

skipper_G wrote: »

EJ feature on McLaren now on C4

He made valid points not sure about the rap video style he chose to present it in.

Charlie-Bravo

Here's my moan about the moaners!!

Vandorne moaning about being caught on the straight yesterday was funny. You're not Alonso! Bite your lip and get on wth it.

Grojean's moaning is a little bit much. He could have a better tine in his messages​. He's acting like a Diva, we have enough of those. He could have some courtesy for his engineers.

Sure Vettel isn't a saint, but it's nice to hear how gracious he is when he wins, a lot more genuine than Hamilton.

skipper_G

Joeface wrote: »

He made valid points not sure about the rap video style he chose to present it in.

Yeah was just about to post, wasn't really a feature but more of a platform for a couple of EJ special predictions.

For anybody who missed it, EJ claims:

McLaren will use Mercedes engines next year. Sauber will take the Honda engine and Alonso will go to Renault.

Joeface

Only see one team benefiting from that and it's not Mclaren

Ghost Train

Wonder will Bottas be faster the Hamilton again, he seems to like this track. But practice does point to Vettel pole

AMKC

Joeface wrote: »

Only see one team benefiting from that and it's not Mclaren

Do you think it Renault that will benefit?

Bottas doing good so far.

skipper_G

KMag more than a second faster than Grosjean. That's what happens when you quit whining and just drive the car.

skipper_G

Joeface wrote: »

Only see one team benefiting from that and it's not Mclaren

One could make a case for all of the teams benefiting in some way, except McLaren

Ghost Train

Some of the Helicopter shots are pretty good from this circuit

El_Duderino 09

Joeface wrote:

Only see one team benefiting from that and it's not Mclaren

skipper_G wrote:

One could make a case for all of the teams benefiting in some way, except McLaren

Everyone benefits except one of the Renault drivers. Mercedes sell more engines, McLaren get decent engines, Sauber get Honda backing (money and works engine support and the gamble that comes with Honda where it could come good and probably won't). Renault get Alonso and one of the Renault drivers gets the elbow. If Renault need Palmer's money to pay Alonso then Hulk finds himself taking whatever he can get again.

Jordan 199

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If Renault need Palmer's money to pay Alonso then Hulk finds himself taking whatever he can get again.

An Alonso - Hulkenberg pairing would be very nice at Renault.

skipper_G

Both cars in the top 10! Good stuff Force India

skipper_G

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Everyone benefits except one of the Renault drivers. Mercedes sell more engines, McLaren get decent engines, Sauber get Honda backing (money and works engine support and the gamble that comes with Honda where it could come good and probably won't). Renault get Alonso and one of the Renault drivers gets the elbow. If Renault need Palmer's money to pay Alonso then Hulk finds himself taking whatever he can get again.

There's not enough money in the world for Palmer to be in Renault next year. Even if they don't get Alonso, Palmer is a goner.

Ghost Train

Nice to see a bit of racing in qualifying. Sad to see Lewis moan about having a warmup lap upset

RobertKK

Delighted.

antodeco

That was a great quali!

Cool_CM

Brilliant!

Joeface

Excellent finish to that. Interesting race maybe tomorrow

El_Duderino 09

skipper_G wrote: »

There's not enough money in the world for Palmer to be in Renault next year. Even if they don't get Alonso, Palmer is a goner.

I'd be inclined to agree but that's what we'd have all said based on last year's performance. This year confirms that he wasn't a rough diamond, he's just a pay driver.

skipper_G

Wow. Didn't expect Hamilton in 4th
Kimi upped his game, if not for the mistake at the end he might have just had enough to get pole. Vettel delivered though.

Ocon is gradually easing into this season, pretty close to Perez today & first time in Q3. He may yet prove to be an excellent addition for the team.

skipper_G

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'd be inclined to agree but that's what we'd have all said based on last year's performance. This year confirms that he wasn't a rough diamond, he's just a pay driver.

Agreed, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt last year as he had been a GP2 champion. I thought there was potential, in reality he's been an abject failure.

flazio

Mad statistic that Kimi hasn't had a pole position since a Grand Prix that doesn't even run anymore.

AMKC

Delighted to see the two Ferrari's on the front row. Just a pity Kimi made that one mistake would have been nice to see him on pole but Vettel delivered and am delighted for him. Bottas done brilliant too. Don,t think Lewis got his car performing as good as he wanted too.

El_Duderino 09

skipper_G wrote: »

Agreed, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt last year as he had been a GP2 champion. I thought there was potential, in reality he's been an abject failure.

I remember the BBC 5 live team saying he's a slow burner and it took him a couple of seasons to show his speed in GP2. They thought Renault were right to give him a second year. That sounds like giving the British driver the benefit of a lot of doubt. 
Given the speed of the prospects waiting in the wings, its no harm to keep trying new lads. The Palmer experiment is yielding results and they're not good for Palmer.

AMKC

Jordan 199 wrote: »

An Alonso - Hulkenberg pairing would be very nice at Renault.

That would be great. Renault was my team when Alonso was there and I was very upset and disappointed when he went to Mclaren in 07 so was delighted when he came back to Renault in 08 and would be delighted to have him back there again.

Mike Litoris

Great qualy. Race on tomorrow.

EJ is awesome!

Mike Litoris

skipper_G wrote: »

Wow. Didn't expect Hamilton in 4th

He hasn't been at it all weekend. Still can't see Bottas giving him much of a challenge this year but I wonder if not having the huge rivalry he had with Rosberg has removed some motivation.
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supremenovice

Mike Litoris wrote: »

He hasn't been at it all weekend. Still can't see Bottas giving him much of a challenge this year but I wonder if not having the huge rivalry he had with Rosberg has removed some motivation.
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Hamilton has a long history of not turning up on certain occasions. At the last race in Bahrain, I knew he wouldnt win when he was tweating about his ex misses the day before. Now what bloke in their right mind would tweet about their ex??? Yes he nearly won in the end with the late charge but it was his own fault he was there in the first place.
Look back at every year of his career and there are numerous examples of carelessness and M.I.A, not to mention prone to countless gaffes off the track. Mentally he is very vulnerable and doesnt have good people around him to keep him right.

El_Duderino 09

Mike Litoris wrote:

He hasn't been at it all weekend. Still can't see Bottas giving him much of a challenge this year but I wonder if not having the huge rivalry he had with Rosberg has removed some motivation. .

Funny enough he was asked about whether he would miss his rivalry wit Rosberg and he responded by saying, 'what rivalry? We drove into the same category for 18 seasons altogether and he beat me once. What rivalry?' #TeamLewisIsAPrick

Faugheen

Time is lights out fellas?

Andrew76

Faugheen wrote: »

Time is lights out fellas?

1pm Irish time.

Ghost Train

Looks like Max having issues with engine change, might be tough race

Ghost Train

Nice graphic on channel 4 comparing qualifying laps of Vettel and Hamilton. Pity they didn't show Bottas lap which was close to Ferrari

2011

Ghost Train wrote: »

Nice graphic on channel 4 comparing qualifying laps of Vettel and Hamilton. Pity they didn't show Bottas lap which was close to Ferrari

Yes, it irritates me the way that Channel 4 ignores Bottas despite the fact that he has out qualified Hamilton again. It will be interesting to see if they continue to do this if Bottas passes Hamilton in the championship.