Grassland Sprays

MickeyShtyles

Well boys and girls.
I was out spraying marestail earlier in the week and I was thinking of all the problem weeds that appear on farms and what kills them, rather than 'controlling'
Seeing as sprays aren't getting any cheaper, and if they're used incorrectly they're a woeful waste of money!
So was thinking of putting up a list of what kills what. Brands, active ingredient and weed type.
If there's enough interest in it, it'll be made a sticky.
Mods have Okay'd it aswell.

tismesoitis

Quick question lads. Will Rosate kill nettles?? Thanks in advance

J.O. Farmer

Yes but it'll kill any grass round it too. If I'm not mistaken you're talking about a glycophosphate a.k.a roundup

Waffletraktor

It is glyphosate without fancy acidifiers or stickers/ wetter stuff in it to improve performance. Not really needed in most cases either.

kevthegaff

Bought a spray last week same as forefront, docks, nettles are dead, thistles are dying but ragwort is slow, 16 acre an acre

cj maxx

kevthegaff wrote: »

Bought a spray last week same as forefront, docks, nettles are dead, thistles are dying but ragwort is slow, 16 acre an acre

Was it cheaper and what is it called ?

tismesoitis

J.O. Farmer wrote:

Yes but it'll kill any grass round it too. If I'm not mistaken you're talking about a glycophosphate a.k.a roundup

Thats great just sprayed top of clay bank silage wall some grass lots of nettles want a total kill. Thanks

gerryirl

just wondering what ye are using for general spraying of ground, Im going doing the grazing grounds. Have 2 fields done with doxstar. I done the course this year so srpayed them by the book and at the right growth so should be interesting to see if they come back , There dead now but stopping them coming back is the problem . Anyway just wondering for general weeds etc what are people using. Ive used mortone but is the hygrass better

I have a weed coming like the green one here in the picture. Its starting to take over. I dont know what its called . its to the left of the picture between the buttercups

Biscuitus

I use Lupo and Reaper. It works wonders on dots, nettles, ragweed, dandelions, thistles buttercups and a host of weeds I don't know the name of. Its expensive but silage yields and quality was way up. There is barely a weed in the fields this year too.

bogman_bass

kevthegaff wrote: »

Bought a spray last week same as forefront, docks, nettles are dead, thistles are dying but ragwort is slow, 16 acre an acre

Ragwort is always a slow one to die

cute geoge

I have a field rented that the docks and dandalions are beginning to take over.I will spray after first cut with hi load micran ,any other cheap spray i could mix with this that will give more long term results bearing in mind the cost as i may not have this field long term either

tanko

How long do you need to leave cattle out of fields that have been sprayed with MCPA?

Limestone Cowboy

tanko wrote: »

How long do you need to leave cattle out of fields that have been sprayed with MCPA?

It says it on the can, from memory I think it's 2 weeks but might be 3.

_Brian

Came across "headland polo" there when I was researching sprays.. It seems to cover near everything you'd want to be killing in grassland, obviously at different concentrations..
Be handy to have a one spray does all grassland spray.. (General Paddock Weeds,Ragwort,Creeping Thistle,Spear Thistle,Small Dock ,Perennial Nettle, Buttercup, Plantain, Crowfoot, Soft Rush,)

http://www.agrigem.co.uk/headland-polo.html

Not sure if its available in the Republic... not farm from the border here anyway.. Any websites selling from the north ??

ABlur

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It says it on the can, from memory I think it's 2 weeks but might be 3.

I think the 3 weeks is where the field has ragworth.

Waffletraktor

_Brian wrote: »

Came across "headland polo" there when I was researching sprays.. It seems to cover near everything you'd want to be killing in grassland, obviously at different concentrations..
Be handy to have a one spray does all grassland spray.. (General Paddock Weeds,Ragwort,Creeping Thistle,Spear Thistle,Small Dock ,Perennial Nettle, Buttercup, Plantain, Crowfoot, Soft Rush,)

http://www.agrigem.co.uk/headland-polo.html

Not sure if its available in the Republic... not farm from the border here anyway.. Any websites selling from the north ??

It's a mix of 360g/l of 2,4-d and 315g/l of mcpa so you should be to buy them and mix it from off the shelf.
(*check for mix compatibility as the extras can mess with the chemistry*)

Buford T. Justice XIX

cute geoge wrote: »

I have a field rented that the docks and dandalions are beginning to take over.I will spray after first cut with hi load micran ,any other cheap spray i could mix with this that will give more long term results bearing in mind the cost as i may not have this field long term either

I'm going to bump this for George, if anyone can answer.

There is going to be a bit of a bedding in period until we can get the grassland sprays in the one spot but hopefully it won't take long.

JD115m

How would lads feel about using lupo compared to grazon for docks. Lupo seems to kill faster than grazon but do the docks stay away.

GrasstoMilk

JD115m wrote: »

How would lads feel about using lupo compared to grazon for docks. Lupo seems to kill faster than grazon but do the docks stay away.

I sprayed 20 acres today for docks with Micram. Hope it doesn't just do a yearly kill

AntrimGlens

http://www.agrigem.co.uk/headland-polo.html

Not sure if its available in the Republic... not farm from the border here anyway.. Any websites selling from the north ??[/quote]

Ah now Brian you should know from doing your spraying course that sprays purchased in one jurisdiction cannot "legally" be used in a different jurisdiction. It would not have a Mapp number and your record keeping would have to be 'altered'.

_Brian

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Ah now Brian you should know from doing your spraying course that sprays purchased in one jurisdiction cannot "legally" be used in a different jurisdiction. It would not have a Mapp number and your record keeping would have to be 'altered'.

Thanks for reminding me, slipped my mind

Mooooo

With the seed bank of docks it tends to take more than one go to get em all. Any lads get a contractor in to spray? What's the going rate at all?

Never wrestle with pigs

What do ye use for boundary fences etc? Will round up kill everything? I've heard people mixing it with grazon 90, why?

cj maxx

Waffletraktor wrote: »

It's a mix of 360g/l of 2,4-d and 315g/l of mcpa so you should be to buy them and mix it from off the shelf.
(*check for mix compatibility as the extras can mess with the chemistry*)

Slightly less than 50/50 mix so ?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

What do ye use for boundary fences etc? Will round up kill everything? I've heard people mixing it with grazon 90, why?

Don't use roundup under fences, it kills everything including the grass and leaves the ground ripe for take over by weeds next year.

Grazon Pro for under fences but not near streams iirc. Kills most weeds but leaves grass alone.

gerryirl

gerryirl wrote: »

just wondering what ye are using for general spraying of ground, Im going doing the grazing grounds. Have 2 fields done with doxstar. I done the course this year so srpayed them by the book and at the right growth so should be interesting to see if they come back , There dead now but stopping them coming back is the problem . Anyway just wondering for general weeds etc what are people using. Ive used mortone but is the hygrass better

I have a weed coming like the green one here in the picture. Its starting to take over. I dont know what its called . its to the left of the picture between the buttercups

I think what I have is called creeping buttercup . Anyone dealt with it before. What's best to use

croot

gerryirl wrote: »

I think what I have is called creeping buttercup . Anyone dealt with it before. What's best to use

MCPA kills them.

You can also mix MCPA with hi load mircam and it takes out most weeds. I tried it last year and it worked well. Some docks are back in silage ground. Not as bad though.

Muckit

JD115m wrote: »

How would lads feel about using lupo compared to grazon for docks. Lupo seems to kill faster than grazon but do the docks stay away]

The longer it take to work, the better the spray. Those that wilt fast are only killing what can be seen above ground. They're not getting to the root of the problem so to speak

I said

Eagle does a good job if you are minding clover in grassland.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sprayed Brushkiller last night at 9. Wilting this morning.

satstheway

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Sprayed Brushkiller last night at 9. Wilting this morning.

Do you find it as good as grazon pro?

Buford T. Justice XIX

satstheway wrote: »

Do you find it as good as grazon pro?

It's cheaper anyway. First time using it so ill see in a week or so.

leoch

Thinking of spraying a few silage fields that are weedy and rushes in a few places going to use Mortone and mix delfan plus (a liquid nitrogen product) in with it to save the grass but should I do it before putting the fertilizer on or wait till after the fertilizer is on

_Brian

I said wrote: »

Eagle does a good job if you are minding clover in grassland.

I've been told by a few that prospect is very successful on docs, not sure about clover safe, anyone used it ??

yosemitesam1

http://www.pcs.agriculture.gov.ie/registers/plantprotectionproductsregisters/

Useful website for comparing/finding alternative generic products. All sprays registered for use are on it and can search by product name or active ingredient

cj maxx

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

http://www.pcs.agriculture.gov.ie/registers/plantprotectionproductsregisters/

Useful website for comparing/finding alternative generic products. All sprays registered for use are on it and can search by product name or active ingredient

Just replying so I can easily find this post . Cheers

Waffletraktor

cjmc wrote: »

Slightly less than 50/50 mix so ?

The headland polo mix works out at 504g of 2,4-d and 441g of mcpa per acre at 1.4 l/acre. Soo wondering if there's a reason they didnt mix the full strenght dose into the can(i know mcpa comes higher concentration atleast). Going by that just read the concentration of what you buy to match the amount of active chem per acre needed for their mix.
*you'd want to check they'd mix well though

tanko

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It says it on the can, from memory I think it's 2 weeks but might be 3.

Crap, didn't think it would be that long.
I used Pol MCPA, all it says on the label is "keep livestock out of treated areas until poisonous weeds such as ragwort have died and become unpalatable".
For anyone thats used MCPA on rushes, would 10 days be long enough to keep the cattle out?

Muckit

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.pcs.agriculture.gov.ie/media/pesticides/content/products/labels/05510%2520-%2520Mastercrop%2520MCPA%252050%2520-%25202016%2520to%2520date.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwijivekzsrTAhWhKMAKHeCKCgAQFggcMAA&usg=AFQjCNH7ayp-8Xo5ZG5bG9No1PUjcjVDZg

Muckit

Lads a good idea to download all the product labels here to your phone. It's easy access them then anytime anywhere.

www.pcs.agriculture.gov.ie/products/labels/

gerryirl

leoch wrote: »

Thinking of spraying a few silage fields that are weedy and rushes in a few places going to use Mortone and mix delfan plus (a liquid nitrogen product) in with it to save the grass but should I do it before putting the fertilizer on or wait till after the fertilizer is on

would mortone not stunt the growth a bit.. was thinknig of the same question myself. Ive spread the fertilizer now anyway

Ashill5

Was recommend Lupo for docks, didn't get it as of yet, was told also that it would do a good job on your rushes.

Have anyone experience with it.

Robson99

Have meadow closed 3 weeks now and hope cut at end of May. One field covered in docks. Should I spray now or wait till a week before cutting or wait till regrowth in aftergrass?

GrasstoMilk

Robson99 wrote: »

Have meadow closed 3 weeks now and hope cut at end of May. One field covered in docks. Should I spray now or wait till a week before cutting or wait till regrowth in aftergrass?

Spray now while there still soft. They'll have a good strong root in one months time

Robson99

gerryirl wrote: »

would mortone not stunt the growth a bit.. was thinknig of the same question myself. Ive spread the fertilizer now anyway

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Spray now while there still soft. They'll have a good strong root in one months time

MCpA??? And will it stunt the grass?. Not worried about clover

GrasstoMilk

Robson99 wrote: »

MCpA??? And will it stunt the grass?. Not worried about clover

MCPA doesn't do docks

Robson99

_Brian wrote: »

I've been told by a few that prospect is very successful on docs, not sure about clover safe, anyone used it ??

Used it before and not overly impressed with it. All back again

Robson99

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

MCPA doesn't do docks

Sorry meant Mircam

kevthegaff

Lad was telling me today to mix mca with d50 for docks, nettles, thistles and rushes at 9 euro per acre!

GrasstoMilk

kevthegaff wrote: »

Lad was telling me today to mix mca with d50 for docks, nettles, thistles and rushes at 9 euro per acre!

What mixing rare? I used MCPA on a farm we took 4 years ago. Was riddled with thistles. Did a great job on them, left very few. Giving another run this year to really clean them out

_Brian

Robson99 wrote: »

Used it before and not overly impressed with it. All back again

We had the very same experience with Eagle.. :mad:

Is there any spray for docs that is sure to clear them out ?