I hope he get years in jail

50HX

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/teenage-farm-worker-may-face-jail-for-stamping-on-newborn-calves-35655343.html

Muckit

A whole article on dairy farmer burnout and managing stress in the indo yesterday.

It's not as if this lad wandered in off the street. He must have had some interest in farming or he wouldn't be doing an 'apprenticeship.'

Muckit

I don't condone cruelty towards animals btw

Cavanjack

There are some fair thick men working in marts all around the country. Some of them shouldn't be allowed near animals never mind Work with them.

Reggie.

Cavanjack wrote: »

There are some fair thick men working in marts all around the country. Some of them shouldn't be allowed near animals never mind Work with them.

+1

anthony500_1

What amazes me is, where was the manager/owner of the farm, surely they have some responsibility as to the training and guidance the young lad got, and if they knew he was abusing stock, he should have been ran off the farm. It leads me to think there was more than him abusing stock on the farm

currants

Muckit wrote: »

A whole article on dairy farmer burnout and managing stress in the indo yesterday.

It's not as if this lad wandered in off the street. He must have had some interest in farming or he wouldn't be doing an 'apprenticeship.'

Burnout would leave you giving the cow a kick or a switch if she wasn't easy to manage, this lad is mentally disturbed. New born calves, not many could do what he did even in the height of temper. He's a sicko and will move onto people next, there's loads of links between weirdos who enjoy cruelty to animals and serial killers. He should get the bolt, he'll never add anything to society.

patsy_mccabe

Footage taken by a fellow worker, Id say.
I had a guy help me from time to time. We were dehorning calves one day and this limo calf jumped up as were putting him in the crate. He caught yer mans finger on the top chain. When we had the calf restrained, he kicked the calf full force across the nose. I was fuming. Just finished up and never asked him again.:mad:

50HX

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Footage taken by a fellow worker, Id say.
I had a guy help me from time to time. We were dehorning calves one day and this limo calf jumped up as were putting him in the crate. He caught yer mans finger on the top chain. When we had the calf restrained, he kicked the calf full force across the nose. I was fuming. Just finished up and never asked him again.:mad:

yeah like that we've all had bad days with fingers and toes crushed & stood on but to react the way he did is not on......... burn out or no burn out

you'd wonder what way he'd react outside of the farm if he was tired or things goin against him...the mind boggles

The man in red and black

Sounds like he was filmed by an animal cruelty charity. What else was going on there or how long was it going on for that an animal cruelty charity just happened to be videoing them with a secret camera?

davidk1394

No time for that carry on. I think we need to have a look at the dairy industry here in Ireland sooner rather than later. Talking to friends who did placement saw awful stuff on placement mainly to do with Jersey bull calves. I don't know how people can beat an animal like that. Anyone caught should be jailed and banned from livestock farming or working on one for at least 10 years. Farmer should get a wrap on the knuckles aswell for it too.

croot

There must have been some reason they were filming secretly. There had to be previous abuse for that to happen. He must be borderline psychotic. If you can do it to a calf you could do it to anything or anyone.

_Brian

Have to worry about people who seriously abuse animals like that.

Isn't it one of the traits of sociopaths, they are prone to abusing animals as they have no empathy whatsoever for other living things. Many go on to commit murders.

Lady Haywire

croot wrote: »

There must have been some reason they were filming secretly. There had to be previous abuse for that to happen. He must be borderline psychotic. If you can do it to a calf you could do it to anything or anyone.

Wonder if the farmer or someone else noticed unexplained injuries on animals? I'm damn glad he was caught, should get a hard sentence to make a point to others that may be at the same sort of shíte. I'll never understand people who are needlessly cruel to animals, I can accept a whack of a stick or a thump if they're being bold but person who go to the extent of needlessly hurting them must have psychotic issues. I even get píssed off at myself if I stand on a snail ffs!

kowtow

It is striking that the daily mail headline article included 4 photos, of which one was the video of him banging a calving gate on a cow / kicking the calf.

The others were of (1) a cow walking in hobbles on clean slats, (2) a "lame" cow with her leg lifted while walking on clean slats, (3) a dead calf with some fresh blood around the nostrils.

The last three of those four photos could have been taken on most of our farms at one time of the year or another.

Interesting to note that the hobbles and the dead calf arouse almost as much anger in the comments section below the article as does the thug's behaviour.

Keeping the public on side is a gargantuan task and I think it is a burden every one of us is going to have to shoulder.

Wildsurfer

Cavanjack wrote: »

There are some fair thick men working in marts all around the country. Some of them shouldn't be allowed near animals never mind Work with them.

In my local mart recently there was a group of up to 30 students from Norway all with camera phones out happily videoing away as the drovers were giving the suck calves the odd whack in and out of ring. A bit of editing though could make it look a lot worse. Can't understand how the Dept haven't sent the message out to mart managers to be whiter than white in their treatment of animals in this day and age of a video recorder and camera in every persons pocket.

_Brian

Not condoning it but the rough handling I see at the marts are a result of lads that are poor at handling stock and let frustration get to them.

This other bucko in the article seems just evil.

X6.430macman

Saw the video and I hate to say I have seen worse on farms in parts of it but the throwing the calves on the ground bit was just to far

TheClubMan

Animal cruelty absolutely disgusts me. I used to work for FRS when I was younger and I was sent to work for a large dairy farmer one time. He had a few lads working for him. One of the lads was Polish who had worked for this lad over 10 years. I've never seen anyone treat animals as cruel as this fella before. He used to give cows and even young stock some awful beatings if they were being a bit stubborn or whatever. The last straw came when we were scanning one day. He was loading the up the crush and I was pushing them up along. One cow planted her feet and wouldn't go up the chute. He lay into her with a pipe and kicked her until she collapsed. I told him to stop and he jumped over the gate to have a go at me! I finished that day and I reported that fella as well as he also worked for FRS. How the farmer in question let him work with his stock for 10 years is beyond me.

kerryjack

_Brian wrote: »

Not condoning it but the rough handling I see at the marts are a result of lads that are poor at handling stock and let frustration get to them.

This other bucko in the article seems just evil.

Did you ever work in a mart,try it sometime, try talking to animals and see will they go in to the ring themselves when they number is called. Marts are a cruel place for animals and an easy target for filming with phones , its a hard and dangerous spot to work where health and safety is non existent, ya they were a few lads a that went a bit hard with the ash plant but there was that mentality get her before she gets you.

_Brian

kerryjack wrote: »

Did you ever work in a mart,try it sometime, try talking to animals and see will they go in to the ring themselves when they number is called. Marts are a cruel place for animals and an easy target for filming with phones , its a hard and dangerous spot to work where health and safety is non existent, ya they were a few lads a that went a bit hard with the ash plant but there was that mentality get her before she gets you.

No I haven't but that doesn't make one an expert on handling stock.
It's fairly obvious which lads can handle stock and which lads can't, probably the lads in the can't category don't see any difference !

whelan2

_Brian wrote: »

No I haven't but that doesn't make one an expert on handling stock.
It's fairly obvious which lads can handle stock and which lads can't, probably the lads in the can't category don't see any difference !

The lad that scans my cows now is the best fella I ever saw to handle stock, no shouting , sticks or anything. I have seen lads beat the crap out of cows with sticks. Why they do it I dont know. Often wondered if ya gave them a wallop across the back of the legs with a stick and they felt the pain would it make them stop and think or would you be done for assault

_Brian

whelan2 wrote: »

The lad that scans my cows now is the best fella I ever saw to handle stock, no shouting , sticks or anything. I have seen lads beat the crap out of cows with sticks. Why they do it I dont know. Often wondered if ya gave them a wallop across the back of the legs with a stick and they felt the pain would it make them stop and think or would you be done for assault

Yep, the difference in some lads is amazing, confidence is a major part in my experience.

Django99

_Brian wrote: »

Yep, the difference in some lads is amazing, confidence is a major part in my experience.

It's logic too. Someone acting wild around an animal will generally make the animal wild too. If lads just took their time and acted a bit calmer there'd be far less of a need to ever hit an animal.

kerryjack

Django99 wrote: »

It's logic too. Someone acting wild around an animal will generally make the animal wild too. If lads just took their time and acted a bit calmer there'd be far less of a need to ever hit an animal.

Ya tell that to the manager of a mart the day of a big sale give them a chance they will go in themselves the sale would go on for a week

Django99

kerryjack wrote: »

Ya tell that to the manager of a mart the day of a big sale give them a chance they will go in themselves the sale would go on for a week

Well then logic needs to be applied again though. If a mart can't move stock around safely and timely, without resorting to hurting the animals or indeed putting its own workers in danger, then something needs to change. More workers, better passage systems, whatever needs to be done. Obviously a mart manager is a businessman and will run the business to make profits, so the changes need to come from and be enforced at a department level.

But it's not right to simply continue as is, just for the sake of profit.

kerryjack

Django99 wrote: »

Well then logic needs to be applied again though. If a mart can't move stock around safely and timely, without resorting to hurting the animals or indeed putting its own workers in danger, then something needs to change. More workers, better passage systems, whatever needs to be done. Obviously a mart manager is a businessman and will run the business to make profits, so the changes need to come from and be enforced at a department level.

But it's not right to simply continue as is, just for the sake of profit.

Ya agree with you 100% and I wouldn't be buying any shares in a mart because you would wonder how long more they will be allowed to herd cattle like that often wondered if you had a drive tru mart would it work

ganmo

Half the battle is having good facilities allowing stock to flow through the mart with as little input as possible

patsy_mccabe

There's a great bunch of lads working in Ennis Mart. Most are old enough so well used to handling stock. Good facilities are a big part of it too. Often wonder why marts don't have circular forcing pens. Usually just a square pen. Recently most have the corners now piped off, to stop cattle nosing into it.

Parishlad

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

There's a great bunch of lads working in Ennis Mart. Most are old enough so well used to handling stock. Good facilities are a big part of it too. Often wonder why marts don't have circular forcing pens. Usually just a square pen. Recently most have the corners now piped off, to stop cattle nosing into it.

That's true Patsy but there are some in there too that are a bit too liberal with the stick. I was in there a while back and there was a young lad in 'helping out'. He must have been a son, nephew etc of someone in there. Was about 11 or 12 I'd say. At every single opportunity he got he was lashing out at an animal! Not once was there a reason for him to do it. I was raging watching him and felt like going down and giving him a kick in the hole! He fecked off after a while thankfully! Only saving grace was he wouldn't have been strong enough to do much damage anyway.

Username John

I don't condone what that lad did - but years in jail, I dunno...

He is only young, I assume his apprenticeship is gone from him... not saying he shouldn't be punished, but I don't think years in jail is the right answer

I think there are lads walking the street every day that do far worse...

Plus - the likelihood of getting years in jail would be low you'd imagine? You'd read about lads who let cattle starve, which to me is a far worse crime as it takes days, weeks, months - and they sometimes don't get the herd number taken off em for long, not to mind years in jail...

Icelandicseige

I dunno about picking the calf and throwing was very wrong.!! To be thrown in jail?? I'm not so sure... everyone makes mistakes.
I'd be investigating who trained him in..!
Everyone that is involved with livestock has lost there temper at some stage. Don't know why people on this thread are pretending they have never lifted there hand to a cow.

Sam Kade

Icelandicseige wrote: »

I dunno about picking the calf and throwing was very wrong.!! To be thrown in jail?? I'm not so sure... everyone makes mistakes.
I'd be investigating who trained him in..!
Everyone that is involved with livestock has lost there temper at some stage. Don't know why people on this thread are pretending they have never lifted there hand to a cow.

True that, when my brother and I were 5 and 6 years old we got two sticks and beat the life out of an old dying hen, not proud of it when I think back but going by this thread we should have moved on to murdering people by now.

Cavanjack

kerryjack wrote: »

Ya tell that to the manager of a mart the day of a big sale give them a chance they will go in themselves the sale would go on for a week

I called into kingscourt mart one day I was passing and they are all using paddles. Never saw this before. Didn't seem to be any bother by not having the option to batter the cattle in to the ring.

_Brian

Cavanjack wrote: »

I called into kingscourt mart one day I was passing and they are all using paddles. Never saw this before. Didn't seem to be any bother by not having the option to batter the cattle in to the ring.

Ahh, saw one lad turn it round hold the paddle and use the handle !!

But in general it seems to work well enough. Fair play to Lisa for trying something new.

Keepgrowing

davidk1394 wrote: »

No time for that carry on. I think we need to have a look at the dairy industry here in Ireland sooner rather than later. Talking to friends who did placement saw awful stuff on placement mainly to do with Jersey bull calves. I don't know how people can beat an animal like that. Anyone caught should be jailed and banned from livestock farming or working on one for at least 10 years. Farmer should get a wrap on the knuckles aswell for it too.

Is your animal welfare research based on a large sample of farms ?
Is it confined to dairy farms with Jex or all dairy farms?
Did you or your sources report the incidents? If not, why not?

bogman_bass

Icelandicseige wrote: »

I dunno about picking the calf and throwing was very wrong.!! To be thrown in jail?? I'm not so sure... everyone makes mistakes.
I'd be investigating who trained him in..!
Everyone that is involved with livestock has lost there temper at some stage. Don't know why people on this thread are pretending they have never lifted there hand to a cow.

That wasn't a mistake. That was a vicious repeated attack on a defenceless animal. That was pure badness!

J.O. Farmer

Sam Kade wrote: »

True that, when my brother and I were 5 and 6 years old we got two sticks and beat the life out of an old dying hen, not proud of it when I think back but going by this thread we should have moved on to murdering people by now.

How do we know you haven't moved on to murdering people. I mean you battered a defenseless hen to death at 5 or 6.

Who2

Cavanjack wrote: »

I called into kingscourt mart one day I was passing and they are all using paddles. Never saw this before. Didn't seem to be any bother by not having the option to batter the cattle in to the ring.

That was after they changed the whole layout of the heifer section for better flow. the bull section can be a bit sticky yet. the individual pens running into cootehill works well imo. saves a lot of the hardship.

patsy_mccabe

More of the same. Shocking stuff, to be fair. Some people need a belt of a hazel rod themselves.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/minister-condemns-alleged-animal-welfare-breaches-of-exported-calves-38076645.html#play

_Brian

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

More of the same. Shocking stuff, to be fair. Some people need a belt of a hazel rod themselves.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/minister-condemns-alleged-animal-welfare-breaches-of-exported-calves-38076645.html#play

We need to start a veal scheme here and export value added product rather than so much live shipping.

dzer2

_Brian wrote: »

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

More of the same. Shocking stuff, to be fair. Some people need a belt of a hazel rod themselves.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/minister-condemns-alleged-animal-welfare-breaches-of-exported-calves-38076645.html#play

We need to start a veal scheme here and export value added product rather than so much live shipping.

Being there
Done that

Larry fcuked it up

ogsjw

Maybe put him in a secure mental healthcare facility indefinitely, animal abuse can be one of the first signs of a serial killer.

Dinzee Conlee

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

More of the same. Shocking stuff, to be fair. Some people need a belt of a hazel rod themselves.

https://www.independent.ie/videos/minister-condemns-alleged-animal-welfare-breaches-of-exported-calves-38076645.html#play

Was there any story or follow up on that video do you know Patsy? Like, I assume the worker was identified and charged?

Farmer Dan

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/man-arrested-in-cherbourg-for-isolated-act-of-calf-cruelty/

patsy_mccabe

They just love to sensationalise everything. ISPCA on board now.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/ispca-calls-for-immediate-suspension-of-calf-exports-38087589.html

Say my name

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

They just love to sensationalise everything. ISPCA on board now.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/ispca-calls-for-immediate-suspension-of-calf-exports-38087589.html

Have we a name yet?

Is he Irish or French?
Was he paid extra to put the camera there?

If this was a case of racism the red tops would have the name and address published by now.

tanko

Heard a bit of a debate about it on RTE radio an hour ago. ISPCA lad and some IFA lad. ISPCA looking for a ban on the export of calves until an investigation is carried out.

Albert Johnson

tanko wrote: »

Heard a bit of a debate about it on RTE radio an hour ago. ISPCA lad and some IFA lad. ISPCA looking for a ban on the export of calves until an investigation is carried out.

The threat of a total ban on the live export of calves is an ever looming threat imo. The backlash from such incidents as captured above is only adding fuel to the fire of public sentiment against exports. We're totally under prepared for such an eventuality at the moment, the market for poorer quality calves collapsed for a period only a few months back when the exports temporarily halted due partly to adverse weather conditions.

I fear that unless we come up with a viable domestic outlet for all these calves in the event of an export shutdown we will see a massive animal welfare problem. Without an alternative market it will result in either a "Bobby calf" system or calves being neglected due to no economic return on rearing them. Neither​ outcome will be well received by the public imo. The cold hard fact as I see it is that a lot of them calves are little better than dirt and will be treated accordingly until the figures change. I believe the dairy industry has done itself a massive disservice by not addressing this issue over the last number of years.

Say my name

Delsie Gayle a 77 year old black grandmother was racially abused on Ryanair plane FR105 before takeoff at Barcelona airport on the 19th October 2018 by David Mesher a white middle aged male.
It was filmed by numerous passengers on their phones.

There was no call after the incident went viral for black people to be banned from planes.

David Mesher's name and address was published 2 days after the incident. His crime was verbally racially abusing an elderly woman with a different race than his who the Ryanair staff were putting in the adjoining seat to his.

In this clip with the calves. We have a video released by a French animal welfare group with the perpetrator's face hidden kicking to death an imported calf. If the animal welfare group was so concerned about animal welfare his face wouldn't be concealed.

theaceofspies

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/farmers-outraged-at-abuse-of-irish-calves-at-french-lairage-38087589.html


This is a million times worse than any 'reports' on Veganism. Seriously those fellas in the video have human issues. Its sad when farming has been reduced to this kind of ****. Where has the bond between man and nature gone.