Ban children from Pubs ?

Andy From Sligo

I think all under 18's should be banned from pubs or any establishment that serves alcohol on the premises come to think of it, like restaurants etc if they sell drink

- what do reckon? - too severe or do you agree?

gitzy16v

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I think all under 18's should be banned from pubs or any establishment that serves alcohol on the premises come to think of it, like restaurants etc if they sell drink

- what do reckon? - too sever or do you agree?

No way,
where will we get our future professional pool and darts players from?

Andy From Sligo

gitzy16v wrote: »

No way,
where will we get our future professional pool and darts players from?

where will we get our future children growing up and thinking drink is the norm and that you tie in alcohol with having a good time? ...

listermint

Prohibition works.

Your method worked for decades of bad attitudes to alcohol in this country.



Sound idea, lets go through with it...............

Jack the Stripper

If I ever run a pub I'll ban you Andy.

eoinzy2000

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

where will we get our future children growing up and thinking drink is the norm and that you tie in alcohol with having a good time? ...

Do you not take your kids out for pub grub/restaurants Andy, maybe after a day on the beach? Instead of cooking?
Im pretty sure the loss of trade would be damaging, and im pretty sure nanny state is not the way to change attitudes to drink.

Andy From Sligo

listermint wrote: »

Prohibition works.

Your method worked for decades of bad attitudes to alcohol in this country.



Sound idea, lets go through with it...............

i take that as sarcasm? - but I am not normally very good at 'getting people' a lot of the time ..

Stephen15

Really restaurants whatever about pubs but reataurants? Am I reading things do people actually think that.

Andy From Sligo

when adults go out for a quiet drink (or rowdy drink) do they really want kids around anyway? - especially young children, that get bored and run around etc..?

and is it right for children (especially young children) to witness adults getting legless or even if not staggering drunk, putting so much drink away ... and witness to the language used down the pub?

Andy From Sligo

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

If I ever run a pub I'll ban you Andy.

why? - i am not under 18

Beyondgone

I agree. I'd ban them from everywhere, including my home. Kids. Always effort. Ought to be banned. Who let them into the pub anyway?

eoinzy2000

Stephen15 wrote: »

Really restaurants whatever about pubs but reataurants? Am I reading things do people actually think that.

No they dont. Andy just posing a question. I go into pubs with the kids for food reasonably often. Generally dont drink, water with food maybe. Its like blaming the system for not raising your children right. Wrong line of attack. Banning kids would mean loss of trade, jobs etc when what needs to be taught is social culpability and correct attitudes to alcohol. Not ban ban ban.
Kids watch too much youtube and play on computers. Ban the internet for under 18s etc.

Junkyard Tom

*Morgan Freeman voice*

We sat and drank with the sun on our shoulders and felt like free men. Hell, we could have been tarring the roof of one of our own houses. We were the lords of all creation. As for Andy - he spent that break hunkered in the shade, a strange little smile on his face, watching us drink his beer because we took it off him the big killjoy.

Noveight

The children who drink in my local always start looking for fights once they've had 5 or 6. Just last week one of them chinned my friend Dave, ruined his 40th birthday.

I'd love to see them banned.

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

where will we get our future children growing up and thinking drink is the norm and that you tie in alcohol with having a good time? ...

Drink is the norm so why hide them from it?

Andy From Sligo

Stephen15 wrote: »

Really restaurants whatever about pubs but reataurants? Am I reading things do people actually think that.

well I'm toying with the thought - just want to get others opinions.

Why not get it banned across the board so everyone knows where they stand?

If you want a family restaurant environment take your children to Mc D's or burger king ... if you want adult meal (where drink is served) go to a restaurant that sells alcohol? - I cannot see a problem .. is there one?

s4uv3

ffs :rolleyes:

twowheelsonly

Under your proposal the only restaurants you could probably bring kids to would be the likes of McDonalds and BurgerKing etc...

Sure what could go wrong !!!

What about drinking at home ? Ban them from the family home ?
"Sorry kids, we're having wine with the Christmas dinner..... out to the shed with ye....."

eoinzy2000

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

when adults go out for a quiet drink (or rowdy drink) do they really want kids around anyway? - especially young children, that get bored and run around etc..?

and is it right for children (especially young children) to witness adults getting legless or even if not staggering drunk, putting so much drink away ... and witness to the language used down the pub?

You must drink in some pure dives Andy. Kids a always well asleep by the time that stuff happens. Most pubs have NO KIDS AFTER 9 policy anyway, except for family functions, which are an exception. By the sound of the holes you frequent, id say there are kids smokin joints and skullin jaegers goodo

ceadaoin.

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

well I'm toying with the thought - just want to get others opinions.

Why not get it banned across the board so everyone knows where they stand?

If you want a family restaurant environment take your children to Mc D's or burger king ... if you want adult meal (where drink is served) go to a restaurant that sells alcohol? - I cannot see a problem .. is there one?

The problem is that socialising in pubs and restaurants is part of Irish culture. It's not just for adults. Family meals take place in those places whether to celebrate a special occasion or just to have a meal out for no particular reason or to watch a sporting event. You're talking about changing the whole culture just because a handful of people want to get hammered during the day in peace. I'm sure there are plenty of bars that cater to that kind of clientele so why should children be excluded from society in such a way? Also, We would have a whole generation of people with no idea how to behave in an actual restaurant once they turn 18.

They are already banned from pubs after a certain time aren't they? Seems to be working fine

eoinzy2000

Anyhoo Andy, I think you are finding peoples opinions pretty one-sided here, which should give a good indication of the general consensus. You asked if your idea is excessive or extreme. I think its extremely excessive. Bordering on insane. I dont want a nanny state. The fact that you think a government ban is a good way of changing peoples attitudes or a fine way of developing good parenting skills is quite worrying. Quite simply, its not. Its a bad idea. Educate, not ban.

Andy From Sligo

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Do you not take your kids out for pub grub/restaurants Andy, maybe after a day on the beach? Instead of cooking?
Im pretty sure the loss of trade would be damaging, and im pretty sure nanny state is not the way to change attitudes to drink.

have done in the past yeah, they are grown up now - they were well behaved, never run up and down aisle or anything, stayed in their seats so they did ... I know that makes me sound like I am blowing my/our own trumpet but thats just how it was.

Thinking/looking back now they would have witnessed drunks and people drinking and things getting a bit on the wild side and really if i had a chance to do things again it would have been better to go to a family friendly burger place or something or family restaurant where alcohol wasnt served. - had this been a law, it would have been taken out of my hands and there wouldnt have been a choice.

What one place looses as trade another place will pick up by pushing a 'family friendly restaurant' not serving alcohol ... or why dont someone 'try' a pub without alcohol, .. why not think out of the box - a family friendly 'pub' looking place but without alcohol, just alcohol free drinks and pop and cordials etc .. - I suppose someone has already thought of that though..

howiya

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

well I'm toying with the thought - just want to get others opinions.

Why not get it banned across the board so everyone knows where they stand?

If you want a family restaurant environment take your children to Mc D's or burger king ... if you want adult meal (where drink is served) go to a restaurant that sells alcohol? - I cannot see a problem .. is there one?

Really stretching the definition of restaurant by including McDonald's and Burger King

Atlantic Dawn

I think if the establishment serves food children should be allowed on the premises, if no food is served they should be banned. After 6pm they should be banned either way.

Andy From Sligo

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Under your proposal the only restaurants you could probably bring kids to would be the likes of McDonalds and BurgerKing etc...

Sure what could go wrong !!!

What about drinking at home ? Ban them from the family home ?
"Sorry kids, we're having wine with the Christmas dinner..... out to the shed with ye....."

ah well you see youve touched on the 'its not perfect' a bit like, lets ban cigarette advertising on TV but its OK to have children around people that smoke - or why is alcohol legal but some recreational drugs not, but thats extensive subject that needs to be discussed fully, but at least it goes a way maybe to 'steer' children in the right direction that you dont need drink to enjoy yourself or have a good time.

You didnt mention Weddings there and communions/confirmations

nullzero

You should move to England, they're all for that no kids in pubs stuff over there, that and absolutely poisonous pints of bitter.

s4uv3

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

.. or why dont someone 'try' a pub without alcohol, .. why not think out of the box - a family friendly 'pub' looking place but without alcohol, just alcohol free drinks and pop and cordials etc .. - I suppose someone has already thought of that though..

Why not give it a go yourself? An alcohol free pub, I can see that making a solid fortune...

pangbang

Liquify the kids out back in an economy size blender from argos.....more drink to go around, more food from the pulpy bits, less noise, still get to bring them with you, don't have to take them home, no danger of the little ones getting the wrong idea about drink. Sorted.

Thelomen Toblackai

They (and their parents) should be banned if they aren't kept under control.

Nothing more annoying when you're having a few drinks or a meal than young lads running around the place off their heads on lucozade.

Andy From Sligo

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Anyhoo Andy, I think you are finding peoples opinions pretty one-sided here, which should give a good indication of the general consensus. You asked if your idea is excessive or extreme. I think its extremely excessive. Bordering on insane. I dont want a nanny state. The fact that you think a government ban is a good way of changing peoples attitudes or a fine way of developing good parenting skills is quite worrying. Quite simply, its not. Its a bad idea. Educate, not ban.

by educate do you mean "you see that nasty nasty man over there bumping into tables and using very bad language? - he is a very, very naughty man! and that's not the right way to behave!"

Andy From Sligo

s4uv3 wrote: »

Why not give it a go yourself? An alcohol free pub, I can see that making a solid fortune...

I dunno LOL - it could bomb as well .. if I go to bank and tell them I want money to open up a pub in town ... but not sell any alcohol in it will they laugh at me? ... or call the men in white coats?

KERSPLAT!

I just knew this was one of yours.

Andy From Sligo

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

They (and their parents) should be banned if they aren't kept under control.

Nothing more annoying when you're having a few drinks or a meal than young lads running around the place off their heads on lucozade.

yep, I have been in that situation a couple of times, trying to have a relaxing meal and kids are running around straight into waiter/waitresses, nearly having hot food poured onto them - the staff or managers never seems to attempt to stop them. I suppose they are frightened of getting a mouthfull from their parents!

Andy From Sligo

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I just knew this was one of yours.

always have these weird ideas late at night .. when I should probably be tucked up in bed

Andy From Sligo

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

Anyhoo Andy, I think you are finding peoples opinions pretty one-sided here, which should give a good indication of the general consensus. ....

yep your right, I asked the question , looks like I got the answer then. ah well its good to see what other people think about things, even if they dont agree - it was only a thought, i am not gonna press for it to be law LOL

Ubbquittious

Who is going to pour my pints if the children are gone?

Hotblack Desiato

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think if the establishment serves food children should be allowed on the premises, if no food is served they should be banned. After 6pm they should be banned either way.

Great. No more holidaying in Ireland for us then! 6pm is too early for many kids to be finished their evening meal never mind their parents. Would we even be allowed into the hotel dining room? And then after that confined to barracks because we're parents?

Bad enough holidaying/taking a break with kids in Ireland as it is. Hotels and most restaurants are fine but there are lots of pubs which do nice food but are basically lunch options only due to the stupid rules here. Then after your meal there's nowhere to go so you have to go back to the hotel.

Baron Kurtz

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think if the establishment serves food children should be allowed on the premises, if no food is served they should be banned. After 6pm they should be banned either way.

:eek:

JupiterKid

It's fine for small children in daylight hours until about 6 p m. After that. It's adults only. A pub is really for adults only.

Nothing worse than seeing pissed adults and bored kids in a pub.

gitzy16v

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

where will we get our future children growing up and thinking drink is the norm and that you tie in alcohol with having a good time? ...

I never mentioned "drink".....feck,arse,girls.

So kids pretty much banned from every restaurant except fast food joints. Or else restaurants forced to decide do they want to serve families and give up the wine licence? Oh and parents never being allowed to have a glass of wine with a meal once a child is present.

The title should really read "do we want to stop to stop all tourists, except those who want to get drunk at 2pm in a pub in silence, travelling here".

Andy From Sligo

Deleted User wrote: »

So kids pretty much banned from every restaurant except fast food joints. Or else restaurants forced to decide do they want to serve families and give up the wine licence? Oh and parents never being allowed to have a glass of wine with a meal once a child is present.

The title should really read "do we want to stop to stop all tourists, except those who want to get drunk at 2pm in a pub in silence, travelling here".

I'm pretty sure in most respects tourists dinrt come here just to go eat in our restaurants and that there is more to ireland than restaurants and pubs? .. If not, god help us!

It should be simple if you got young kids all go out to a burger place or ice cream parlour or somewhere or a cafe or somewhere like that. If you got kids but can leave them with a childminder or parent, then by all means go out to your fancy restaurant and drink your wine and relax in piece. If you haven't got the kids go out to a pub and relax with adult company around you (whatever time of day/night)

Pubs should not be a place for children to be in, they should not be subject to what goes on in a pub at any time. As far as I know children aren't allowed into betting shops (even if they are not betting)

I'm not saying this is what happens but say if the kids look at the adults drinking pints and shots in a pub (at any time of the day) and think " ooh that looks grown up, I want to do that" or say if someone orders them an alcoholic drink for them? - if you bar them by law from setting foot in there in the first place, then there is not a problem or no risks. On the plus side the adults can have a proper relaxing, or rowdy drink without the risk of screaming / crying/ bored little hooligans running around ..

CelticRambler

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

If you want a family restaurant environment take your children to Mc D's or burger king ... if you want adult meal (where drink is served) go to a restaurant that sells alcohol? - I cannot see a problem .. is there one?

Yeah - their summer holidays will be ruined when they realise McDs & BK on the continent serve beer, and children there grow up pretty normal. :P

JupiterKid wrote: »

Nothing worse than seeing pissed adults ...

Totally agree with you there. When the "screaming / crying/ bored little hooligans" start running around, that's when I go and hang out with the children.

'Round here (not part of Anglo-Saxon puritania), children and alcohol are allowed in the same room regardless of the hour or the day, and we don't have anything like the adult stupidity you get in Ireland. Nothing better than seeing children still up at one in the morning, having a great time just because they're having a great time, and not the least bit interested in downing pints of beer, cider or wine.

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I'm pretty sure in most respects tourists dinrt come here just to go eat in our restaurants and that there is more to ireland than restaurants and pubs? .. If not, god help us ..

Oh I fully agree. But what you are saying is that for those who holiday with kids, they can't ever go into any pub or pretty much any restaurant except cafés and fast food restaurants. Or they have to arrange a babysitter during lunch time, and arrange a separate meal for the children.

I fully agree that children should not be exposed to fellows guzzling pints...but tbh I don't see a lot of that in licensed restaurants.

Not allowing families eat in hotel restaurants because hotels serve alcohol? Where do they send the kids?

Samaris

Many people bring their children (who are often well-behaved, quiet and not running around like lunatics as well) to restaurants for special occasions or eating out. It would be just plain odd to ban them from restaurants because there's wine and beer on the premises. Besides, there are plenty of kids who don't really like McDonalds or Burger King and will prefer to have a small adult meal. And really, banning 14, 15, 16 year olds from restaurants out of fear of the alcohol biting them is ill-conceived.

The pub vs restaurant elements of it aren't really comparable, bar at lunchtime, and I don't see the point of banning kids and teenagers up to seventeen from having a publunch. Also, that is a right pain if you're travelling. "Sorry kids, I know you're all hungry, but the only places that serve food out here are pubs, we'll have to wait until we get to a large town in rural Connemara/Kerry/Donegal/actually, most of the country before we can stop." Just let them stop and have some food!

I think the current laws are fine.

Shenshen

Interesting thought. I would actually take the polar opposite view - not only should children be allowed in pubs and restaurants, pubs and restaurants should become more child-friendly. Have decent kid's meal options (not just small portions of deep-fried everything), provide some bits of entertainment (crayons and paper for indoors, a little playground next to the beer garden, for example), etc. Make it normal for families to go and enjoy time together outside their own four walls.

This notion that if you go to a pub, you have to return from it off your face is frankly not healthy, and turning pubs in particular into places that are not exclusively about booze would go a long way to address that.

Barry Badrinath

'Andy - Giving Sligo a bad name since 2013.'

I can hear the tshirts being printed right now!

Anyway, silly idea tbh. The Vintners are always complaining about lost revenue, this would damage the industry. Let alone the family and social aspect.

Stupid idea.

Winterlong

I can think of a few better things/people to ban to be honest Andy.

andekwarhola

Most places serving alchol prefer their daytime  trade to be families rather than Sky Sports/Bookies pissheads.
Kids should be off any pub premises by early evening (7 or 8 PM) imo though.

Tombo2001

Shenshen wrote: »

Interesting thought. I would actually take the polar opposite view - not only should children be allowed in pubs and restaurants, pubs and restaurants should become more child-friendly. Have decent kid's meal options (not just small portions of deep-fried everything), provide some bits of entertainment (crayons and paper for indoors, a little playground next to the beer garden, for example), etc. Make it normal for families to go and enjoy time together outside their own four walls.

This notion that if you go to a pub, you have to return from it off your face is frankly not healthy, and turning pubs in particular into places that are not exclusively about booze would go a long way to address that.

Making pubs child friendly is not just about crayons and paper on the table - its also about not having them look at big drunk lads roaring their heads off and swilling pints....

There are certain types of pub that are suitable for kids - the type where people go in, have lunch, leave.

There are certain types of pub that are not suitable for kids, the type where people go in, have lunch, and stay there drinking for 8 hours.

But the issue above is really not about the pubs.

Shenshen

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Making pubs child friendly is not just about crayons and paper on the table - its also about not having them look at big drunk lads roaring their heads off and swilling pints....

There are certain types of pub that are suitable for kids - the type where people go in, have lunch, leave.

There are certain types of pub that are not suitable for kids, the type where people go in, have lunch, and stay there drinking for 8 hours.

But the issue above is really not about the pubs.

My hope would be that as more pubs are becoming family-friendly, there would be less of the second type around.