Irish flag on schools?

OU812

I've just picked up the kids & noticed neither my kids school nor the one I pass to get there fly the Irish flag outside.

They have their green & blue flags flying - green is for recycling, not sure about the blue, it's not the Euro flag.

Do any schools fly the tricolour?

redcup342

OU812 wrote: »

I've just picked up the kids & noticed neither my kids school nor the one I pass to get there fly the Irish flag outside.

They have their green & blue flags flying - green is for recycling, not sure about the blue, it's not the Euro flag.

Do jobschools fly the tricolour?

They all got one last year, even got a talk on how to use a flag real good

http://www.military.ie/info-centre/defence-forces-2016/flags-for-schools-initiative/

Gatling

Tricolors​ were sent to every school for the 1916 celebrations last year , suprised schools aren't​ flying them

endacl

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Tricolors​ were sent to every school for the 1916 celebrations last year , suprised schools aren't​ flying them

There's a protocol attached to flying the flag. Who needs that hassle...

OU812

I knew the schools got them, just surprised that they weren't in use. As for the protocol, it's part & parcel, they should be flown proudly.

Parchment

Its always outside our local primary school. I think the blue is for something environment related too.

conorhal

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There's a protocol attached to flying the flag. Who needs that hassle...

And that right there ladies and gentlemen is the perfect example of the state of national pride in this country....

Glenster

conorhal wrote: »

And that right there ladies and gentlemen is the perfect example of the state of national pride in this country....

Not flying a flag = Not proud of your country.

Nice, how many do you have flying at the moment?

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daveharnett

conorhal wrote: »

And that right there ladies and gentlemen is the perfect example of the state of national pride in this country....

I imagine the favorites for an international flag-waving championship would be North Korea and USA, and our state-funded schools are a lot better than theirs.

I've got some "national pride" that we focus on what matters and stuff the symbolism.

This. Isn't. Sparta.

So every school got a flag. Did every school get a flag pole to put it on?

I think having dogeared irish flags that are out in all weathers and after dark would be a bigger affront to national pride and respect for the flag then not flying them.

uck51js9zml2yt

My school got a flag but no flagpole.
the cost of getting one was beyond our budget and the hassle wasnt worth the effort.

endacl

conorhal wrote: »

And that right there ladies and gentlemen is the perfect example of the state of national pride in this country....

Ask me arse. It's a piece of cloth. Not a country.

Oafley Jones

conorhal wrote: »

And that right there ladies and gentlemen is the perfect example of the state of national pride in this country....

You're right. We should stand up and pledge allegiance to the flag every morning. Our politicians should go around with tiny little tricolours to remind everyone and themselves of how much they love Ireland. And why aren't our armed forces sticking flags of Ivory Coast FFS. Outrage.

For Forks Sake

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Ask me arse. It's a piece of cloth. Not a country.

Tell that to Willie Frazer, a man so daft, he doesn't know which countries fleg he's getting offended by any more

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/school-demands-direct-apology-for-frazers-flag-slur-28750993.html

fatknacker

Do we need flags on schools here? I mean, we already know where we are.

Chips Lovell

More abortions and less flags. What's the world coming to?

TheDoc

Oafley Jones wrote: »

You're right. We should stand up and pledge allegiance to the flag every morning. Our politicians should go around with tiny little tricolours to remind everyone and themselves of how much they love Ireland. And why aren't our armed forces sticking flags of Ivory Coast FFS. Outrage.

In parts of the country in decades gone by, the morning would start with facing the flag and singing the national anthem.

In primary school every Friday my class stood and sang the national anthem. Think all the classes did, a bell would go off to signal it. That's only about 16-17 years ago and was in Dublin.

Don't see it being a bad thing or weird. Some people obviously love to take the offence in everything, or get afraid it might call offence. Might not be a bad thing for some forced national pride for our children and them learning the national anthem.

Not much generally goes on that makes me feel proud to be Irish, in general terms, when I look back at the last 5 years or so, I sometimes feel incredibly embarrassed to be an Irish person.

topper75

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Is Cuba, China, or the Guardian newspaper beardstrokers paying for these schools?

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andekwarhola

My kids' primary school does fly a tricolour but I think they got it for the 1916 centenary.

Not particularly nationalist in a political sense but I quite like the flag being there.

I think somebody born in another country and raised here (as I was) would have to have pretty little to occupy them if they had a serious issue with it.

infogiver

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So every school got a flag. Did every school get a flag pole to put it on?

I think having dogeared irish flags that are out in all weathers and after dark would be a bigger affront to national pride and respect for the flag then not flying them.

I hate to see the tatty ones too.

nice_guy80

lot of hassle running it up and down everyday

schools have far more important stuff to do

Gatling

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But the majority are irish or Irish born ,

Seen it last year in my youngest preschool parents of polish kids and Egyptians complained after coming up to paddys day every child had a tricolor and shamrock painted on their faces​ all except 2 polish and 2 Egyptians who had their respective flags painted on because staff didn't want to offend anyone only for both sets of parents to make complaints about​ racism because they were Irish but got got foreign flags painted on their kids ,

In my opinion every school should fly​ out tricolor and county flag , first and foremost

Help!!!!

OU812 wrote: »

I've just picked up the kids & noticed neither my kids school nor the one I pass to get there fly the Irish flag outside.

They have their green & blue flags flying - green is for recycling, not sure about the blue, it's not the Euro flag.

Do any schools fly the tricolour?

Probably so they dont offend the offended

tupenny

I think the blue 1 represents an "active school".
They have it , the Green 1 and the tricolour at my kids school. Plenty of non irish kids and no issue with it

Help!!!!

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Well they are in Ireland. We are told bring in refugees, there will be no problems, they will integrate into the community. Then some leftie like you comes up with statements like this.

Glenster

Gatling wrote: »

But the majority are irish or Irish born ,

Seen it last year in my youngest preschool parents of polish kids and Egyptians complained after coming up to paddys day every child had a tricolor and shamrock painted on their faces​ all except 2 polish and 2 Egyptians who had their respective flags painted on because staff didn't want to offend anyone only for both sets of parents to make complaints about​ racism because they were Irish but got got foreign flags painted on their kids ,

That is racist as sh*t though.

NufcNavan

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Oh come on ffs it's a flag.

"indoctrinate" has become without doubt the most overused and misused word on any online debate to do with schools/nationalism/religion etc.

LordSutch

Our kids school was given the flag last year during all the 1916 stuff, but they only flew the flag on the day it was delivered.

It hasn't been seen since . . .

James Bond Junior

Our school got one last year along with a military presentation and chat about the flag. The rules were as follows:

Only to be flown between sundown and sunset.
Cannot touch the ground.
Must be folded and stored sympathetically.

If I was the principal I wouldn't bother bar for special occasions.

Galwayguy35

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Posts like this annoy me, if they don't like it let them go back home.

The_Valeyard

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Forces national pride????


Nothing wrong with having national pride. And also nothing wrong with Irish schools displaying pride in Irish culture or heritage just because some children are not Irish.

OU812

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Our school got one last year along with a military presentation and chat about the flag. The rules were as follows:

Only to be flown between sundown and sunset.
Cannot touch the ground.
Must be folded and stored sympathetically.

If I was the principal I wouldn't bother bar for special occasions.

*Sun up & sun down

That's the protocol of flying your national flag (there's also "can only be flown at night when lit" and many more as can be read here: http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Historical_Information/The_National_Flag/The_National_Flag.pdf).

There's absolutely no reason this shouldn't be done in every school in the country. We should also have the learning & singing of the national anthem (as mentioned above).

If religion is a mainstay of the educational system, vertically national pride should be.

This isn't "I swear allegiance to the flag of...". It's straightforward national identity & pride.

freshpopcorn

I think they made a big issue of flying the flags when the schools were presented them and they almost turned schools off of flying them.

I don't have a nationalist bone in my body, I don't care about flegs, but some of the sh1te posted here is good material for Waterford Whispers. Forced national indoctrination for foreign-born children! It's hardly a Nuremburg rally.

It can be a nice gesture. Imagine the French or the Americans getting some postcolonial knickers in a knot about flying their own flag. Bizarre.
If it does anything to improve the self confidence of those who seem to cringe at everything Irish, I say fly it.

Junkyard Tom

Civic nationalism is a force for good.

Are Am Eye

OU812 wrote: »

not sure about the blue, it's not the Euro flag.

It's safe to swim.

Junkyard Tom

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't have a nationalist bone in my body.

You didn't feel proud for your nation when Katie Taylor won a gold medal at the Olympics? Or when Ireland's national teams defeat the teams of other countries?

Nothing at all?

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You didn't feel proud for your nation when Katie Taylor won a gold medal at the Olympics? Or when Ireland's national teams defeat the teams of other countries?

Nothing at all?

It probably sounds like I'm being facetious but no actually...even in the six nations I don't care how Ireland does. I watch horseracing without an iota of preference for the Irish trainers, and Irish-bred horses.

I love our society and the kind of place this is, but I don't think that's nationalism. I genuinely don't think I have that sense of things. It's not that I'm anti Irish, my country gave me endless opportunity. I just don't associate myself as being part of others' athletic success or with flags.

I do hate when people talk down the place for no reason, but I think that's because they're talking down the people.

byhookorbycrook

Flags get tatty when flown outside really, really quickly. We left our green schools' flag and active flag up over the Easter holidays and they are faded and ragged already.
Schools don't have people to raise and lower flags every morning and evening, so the tri-colour tends to be flown only on special occasions in most schools.

Jimoslimos

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PB a leftie! Well, I've heard it all now :pac:

Don't think it's a bad thing for kids to learn about flag etiquette as part of a wider course on vexillology. No need, however, to take it to almost fascist, uber-patriotic levels seen every day in schools in the US. Once or twice a year is fine.

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John_Rambo

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Educating children to respect the national flag of the country they are growing up in doesn't indoctrinate a nationalistic ideology.

Scouts have been raising and striking the flag for years. They learn to respect it, fold it, treat it properly, most Scouts turn out to be very successful adults that don't have nationalistic ideologies.

Zebra3

This isn't the north.

People who desperately go on about waving flags tend to be deeply insecure losers.

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m5ex9oqjawdg2i

conorhal wrote: »

And that right there ladies and gentlemen is the perfect example of the state of national pride in this country....

National pride... what a joke...

Alun

John_Rambo wrote: »

Scouts have been raising and striking the flag for years. They learn to respect it, fold it, treat it properly, most Scouts turn out to be very successful adults that don't have nationalistic ideologies.

Unlike their founder.

John_Rambo

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Teaching people to respect the flag of the nation they are growing up in has nothing to do with indoctrination and there's nothing religious about it.

People ARE free to make up their own minds about the Irish Flag and the Irish nation. Having it flown outside schools won't make any difference to that.

If you're going to live in a country, that countries going to have a national flag. If you can find a country that doesn't have one, move there.

Let me know how you get on with that.

Shenshen

What purpose would having an Irish flag outside a school serve?

Fratton Fred

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Civic nationalism is a force for good.

do you need to wave a flag to foster that though? As Zebra3 said, excessive flag waving just seems insecure.