Comparative ranges for NEW 30kWh Leafs vs 28 kWh Ioniqs

Calahonda52

Now that we have enough buyers in both camps to have a split or schism amongst the converts:D
Lets post some numbers

This has been posted by thelikelylad

Based on my initial findings in terms of efficiency and my driving style I would conservatively use the following estimates when planning a journey in the Ioniq. These allow for having ~20km left in the tank to hopefully get me out of any potential trouble if depending on a public CP or FCP at my destination.

1. Motorway (~120km/h): 150km
2. National routes (~100km/h): ~200km
3. Suburban/rural (~50-60km/h): ~220km

I don't have similar yet for the Leaf but the Leaf cd is , I believe 0.29 vs 0.24 for the Ioniq so is it all down to the lower drag at higher speeds?
I suspect at No 3 its all pretty much the same.

They have also listed their true believers, as at 18/04/2017

1. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
2. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
3. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Polar White - 171
4. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV - polar White - 171 WH
5. thelikelylad Ioniq BEV - 171

So lets hear it for The Leaves:
Calahonda52 171 D

cros13

Calahonda52 - 30kWh - 171 D
cros13 - 30kWh - 161 T ( along with my i3 )

goz83

cros13 wrote: »

Calahonda52 - 30kWh - 171 D
cros13 - 30kWh - 161 T ( along with my i3 )

Calahonda52 - 30kWh - 171 D
cros13 - 30kWh - 161 T ( along with my i3 )
goz83 - 24kWh - 141 D (tekna) Grey

macnab

In my opinion the Leaf and Ioniq both have 28kw usable battery. The Ioniq might actually have 28.5kw available. I base this on my experience with the 30kw Leaf and comments made by Bjorn Nyland while testing the Ioniq.

Gumbo

Can i post here, i only have the baby battery

Mope

Tell me how does one calculate the range I am getting?
tbh at the moment I just drive the car and Love every KM of it...
What to look at to report to you guys what is my range? What Prior or Post actions I should take to save or set, or reset something?

Shefwedfan

What is wrong with poor Sparky the e-Golf?

He is always left out :eek:

Evd-Burner

Mope wrote:

Tell me how does one calculate the range I am getting? tbh at the moment I just drive the car and Love every KM of it... What to look at to report to you guys what is my range? What Prior or Post actions I should take to save or set, or reset something?

I'm hoping that on my way down to lusk some day I bump into you at Turvey charging and I get a sneaky look 😂

Mope

Evd-Burner wrote: »

I'm hoping that on my way down to lusk some day I bump into you at Turvey charging and I get a sneaky look 😂

You can do not so much sneaky look but an arranged look if you are interested this evening. Leaving work 5 PM (Tallaght to Lusk) with 61km left of range definitely will stop in there for top up. I'd say I will be there in around 5.45 to 6.15 or so. See PlugShare app I always Check-In when charging.

Evd-Burner

Balmed Out wrote:

Been saving for a house for a very long time so the Leafs 21k price tag after scrappage and grants will still leave me just under the 70% Loan to Value for a mortgage when we find the right house. Anyone know whether banks prefer a bigger savings amount vs a car loan.

Mope wrote:

You can do not so much sneaky look but an arranged look if you are interested this evening. Leaving work 5 PM (Tallaght to Lusk) with 61km left of range definitely will stop in there for top up. I'd say I will be there in around 5.45 to 6.15 or so. See PlugShare app I always Check-In when charging.

LOL I'll be going past at 5.45 anyway! I'll stop in and wait there for a bit. I'll be in black leaf.

cros13

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What is wrong with poor Sparky the e-Golf?

He is always left out :eek:

Sparky is special and unique

ELM327

Sparky has his own corner.
They charge you more for your ticket compared to everyone else, but that's ok because it's a german and not japanese ticket.

Mope

Evd-Burner wrote: »

LOL I'll be going past at 5.45 anyway! I'll stop in and wait there for a bit. I'll be in black leaf.

Was nice meeting first Board'er in flesh. Did one more test on charging both cars at FCP - cannot happen. It's one at a time, either CCS or Chademo. However, if you really stuck and you have Ioniq you can use 42kW AC there (only take 7kw anyway) while waiting on CCS to become available.

Any word from observations​ Evd?

Evd-Burner

Mope wrote:

Any word from observations​ Evd?

An absolutely beautiful car. I am extremely jealous. If I didn't have the kids I definitely would have annoyed you for a test drive 😂

cros13

Mope wrote: »

However, if you really stuck and you have Ioniq you can use 42kW AC there (only take 7kw anyway) while waiting on CCS to become available.

It's worth doing that anyway while waiting...with the exception of course of when a Zoe shows up. Because it will cut down the charge time of the CCS vehicle and get you back on the road quicker.

peposhi

cros13 wrote: »

Calahonda52 - 30kWh - 171 D
cros13 - 30kWh - 161 T ( along with my i3 )

peposhi - 30kWh - 161 LS

Calahonda52

kceire wrote: »

Can i post here, i only have the baby battery

Of course, Just need someone now with three solar thermal panels, two electric showers and partridge in a pear tree.....:D

Back to my original idea for the thread:
I bought the Leaf because it was way more comfortable for my elder lemon lower back anatomy as well as the head room, adjustable height in the seat etc.

Just wonder is the range on the Ioniq down to better coefficient of drag only.

Gumbo

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Just wonder is the range on the Ioniq down to better coefficient of drag only.

Better Cd figure but it is also 6 years ahead in tech terms.
The Leaf was launched in 2011, which means its at least 2010 tech.

I would be comparing the Ioniq to the new Leaf in September.

KCross

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Of course,

Back to my original idea for the thread:
I bought the Leaf because it was way more comfortable for my elder lemon lower back anatomy as well as the head room, adjustable height in the seat etc.

Just wonder is the range on the Ioniq down to better coefficient of drag only.

kceire wrote: »

Better Cd figure but it is also 6 years ahead in tech terms.
The Leaf was launched in 2011, which means its at least 2010 tech.

I would be comparing the Ioniq to the new Leaf in September.

The Cd figure is thrown out a bit as the reason but I dont think thats the main reason.

The Ioniq is 100kg lighter. Thats an extra 1-2 passengers that the Leaf is carrying all the time.

The Ioniq also, I believe, has a slightly larger usable battery which will add another few km's.


Take those AND the Cd figure and you get the extra 15-20% or so that the Ioniq has over the 30kWh Leaf.


I'm not convinced of the new vs old tech argument either when it comes to range. The Leaf has gone through a few iterations of development in the 7 years so its not really running 2010 tech anymore apart from the body shape which hasnt, unfortunately, changed.

cros13

The motors on both the i3 and Ioniq are a few percent more efficient... but the main reason is the aerodynamics.

unkel

KCross wrote: »

I'm not convinced of the new vs old tech argument either when it comes to range.

I largely agree with your post. And the Cd figure is only really important at speeds higher than the typical Leaf cruising speed anyway :pac:

If you want to drive at 150km/h real speed, there's no doubt in my mind that the range of the Ioniq is close enough to double that of the Leaf 30kWh...

ewj1978

Ewj1978 161D 30kw leaf.

As for range comparison: just drove Youghal to Carlow. 150.7km. 2hrs. 20% left on battery. Mixture of all road types. Motorway, national, B roads.

sgalvin

Adding a bit more maths to it the Cd is only part of the drag calculation.

The Cd is then multiplied by the entire area A of the car looking from the front.
The leaf is quite a bit taller.

Leaf 7.7 ft2 CdA
Ioniq 6.81ft2 CdA

Which is 13% difference.
Big diameter wheels helps lots too.
Lots of care with all big elec users.

Not sure there's much left to be gained in motor technology at this point, were 180 years into motor history at this point.
Industrial motors run for 8,000 hours/year for 10 years and cost €100k s in energy over its life. If there was 1% for the taking it would be taken!

unkel wrote: »

I largely agree with your post. And the Cd figure is only really important at speeds higher than the typical Leaf cruising speed anyway :pac:

If you want to drive at 150km/h real speed, there's no doubt in my mind that the range of the Ioniq is close enough to double that of the Leaf 30kWh...

unkel

unkel wrote: »

If you want to drive at 150km/h real speed, there's no doubt in my mind that the range of the Ioniq is close enough to double that of the Leaf 30kWh...

Bollocks !

Mope

Let's arrange real life testing. Stretch of N3 up until toll and back to Blanch 150 both ways same time, following each other with big enough distance to not create any wind bags and etc but close enough to not get slowed down too much while overtaking and etc

Unkel you up for it? I'm afraid I don't know as much as you about the car, but if I could Id maybe join just to follow​u both for more data

n97 mini

Deleted User wrote: »

Bollocks !

+1

I'd even go so far as to say unkel is trolling!

n97 mini

n97 mini wrote: »

+1

I'd even go so far as to say unkel is trolling!

haha yeah beginning to look like that

goz83

@ Unkel & Mope

You need to get rid of the Ioniq. There is a seriously dangerous flaw with them. Seriously!




I just got back from watching fast and furious 8 :pac:

unkel

Looks like I was talking bollocks. The Leaf can't even do 150km/h

ewj1978

unkel wrote: »

Looks like I was talking bollocks. The Leaf can't even do 150km/h

😂 Might have had mine doing 163 one day, while 5 people sat inside. Might have dreamt it..

cros13

The Leaf's limiter kicks in at 160km/h, the i3's at 152km/h.

Of course if you are going downhill you can exceed the limiter.

unkel

cros13 wrote: »

The Leaf's limiter kicks in at 160km/h

Source?

I had a quick review last night and all the sites I checked stated it was 89mph / 144km/h. Same for all versions for all years.

Parkers linky

ELM327

I have a photo of my leaf doing 155 km/h.
I can assure you it is not limited to 89, as the cruise control on my initially when it was imported went up to 98 miles per hour.

KCross

I think its 160kmh indicated so its actually less than that in reality. I had it in my head that its max speed was 94mph/150kmh but I cant remember where I got that from.

Thats the same as the Ioniq EV, isnt it?

DrPhilG

I personally have never broken the speed limit.

In a purely theoretical situation however, I reckon my Leaf would hit 92 on the main Letterkenny road when overtaking a lorry.

164 Clock speed I've seen on my Leaf.

BoatMad

Based on 54,000km in a 161 Leaf 30 Kwh

120 Kmh ( indicated speedo ) , range 130-140 ( hills have a huge effect at this speed )
105 Kmh ( indicated speedo ) , range 150km with 10-15% remaining
N & B roads ( average speeds < 100kmh) , 180Km , 10 % remaining

summer temps, no adverse winds , dry road , B ECO mode , careful driving

personally I tend to plan on 140Km as an average

unkel

Indicated is meaningless, lads. The spec for the Leaf are 89 or 90 mph (depending where you look) / 144km/h

Spec for Ioniq is 165km/h. I GPS checked mine with lights on / aircon on / 5 people on board / on straight road and it was indicated 172km/h, GPS real speed 167km/h

From many other measurements (all above 90km/h), Ioniq reads 4km/h over up to about 120km/h and above that reads 5km/h over the real speed.

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

Indicated is meaningless, lads. The spec for the Leaf are 89 or 90 mph (depending where you look) / 144km/h

Spec for Ioniq is 165km/h. I GPS checked mine with lights on / aircon on / 5 people on board / on straight road and it was indicated 172km/h, GPS real speed 167km/h

From many other measurements (all above 90km/h), Ioniq reads 4km/h over up to about 120km/h and above that reads 5km/h over the real speed.

top speed is of course a ridiculous metric

I would agree with you assessment on speedo, Ioniq is around 5% which is typical of most ICE , my Nissan Navara is approx 5%

The Leaf is in excess of 10% and there is no doubt in my view , an error of that magnitude is deliberate engineering

unkel

BoatMad wrote: »

top speed is of course a ridiculous metric

To you maybe, but to me it isn't. And you can imagine it being a very important issue for German Ioniq EV owners.

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

To you maybe, but to me it isn't. And you can imagine it being a very important issue for German Ioniq EV owners.

your location is given as Lucan, I was referring to the situation as pertains here

The fact is that the Leaf will quite happily break the speed limit on any road, after that its rather irrelevant

unkel

BoatMad wrote: »

your location is given as Lucan, I was referring to the situation as pertains here

The fact is that the Leaf will quite happily break the speed limit on any road, after that its rather irrelevant

You are presuming no one in Ireland would ever want to drive faster than 120km/h. I have a bit of news for you. Your are wrong.

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

You are presuming no one in Ireland would ever want to drive faster than 120km/h. I have a bit of news for you. Your are wrong.

the leaf will take you over 120Km quite happy , and upto close on 150- ish kmph

However I would contend ( as do the Gardai!) that any sustained excursion over 120 kmph in the context of a road speed that most users are abiding by is dangerous and irresponsible.

( and believe you me , I have owned sh!t fast cars in the past )

unkel

BoatMad wrote: »

any sustained excursion over 120 kmph in the context of a road speed that most users are abiding by is dangerous and irresponsible

[snip]. It's perfectly safe to drive well over 120km/h on an empty motorway.

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

Bollocks. It's perfectly safe to drive well over 120km/h on an empty motorway.

I do not intend to debate this issue, ( and you a rude man to boot ), take that assertion up with a judge

to me acceleration is far more useful then claimed top speeds

unkel

BoatMad wrote: »

you a rude man to boot

The splinter in someone else's eye, much? You are far from always right and not everyone else is exactly like you. Perhaps if you realised that, and became a touch less arrogant, I'd be less rude

BoatMad

unkel wrote: »

The splinter in someone else's eye, much? You are far from always right and not everyone else is exactly like you. Perhaps if you realised that, and became a touch less arrogant, I'd be less rude

I made a factual comment based on the law of the land .

you persist in adhominien attacks and I report such posts

I have no problem with someone retorting with an argued and intelligent/erudite response . I have a lot of problems with your response however

liamog

BoatMad wrote: »

top speed is of course a ridiculous metric

I would agree with you assessment on speedo, Ioniq is around 5% which is typical of most ICE , my Nissan Navara is approx 5%

The Leaf is in excess of 10% and there is no doubt in my view , an error of that magnitude is deliberate engineering

Probably better to say the Ioniq is 0% with a 4km offset.
It will read 34km/h at 30 and 104km/h at 100.

The leaf being consistently so far off certainly seems like a deliberate decision.

unkel

liamog wrote: »

Probably better to say the Ioniq is 0% with a 4km offset.
It will read 34km/h at 30 and 104km/h at 100.

The leaf being consistently so far off certainly seems like a deliberate decision.

My findings are consistent with that. And to add to it, the reading goes up to 5km/h over real speed above 120km/h and stays like that all the way to Vmax

Mope

Not sure if you saw the posts in IONIQ thread about THE Test which I might be able to perform tomorrow from Carrickmines to Gorey and back on a set Cruise Speed of 105 KM/h (or actually maybe I should not use CC for the test duration)?

What you think?

n97 mini

All the vids I've seen on YouTube show the Leaf topping out with 159 km/h on the clock.

https://youtu.be/bC1Carbaca0