Can't find a job anywhere... Help?

Thej693

Alright so I'm 23 and currently looking for a job in bartending or office/call centre work. I've been applying online constantly and most of the time, my applications just get ignored. Its so frustrating. I'm broke as hell and I want to get my own place and money. But there's not many jobs in Dundalk, unfortunately.

I've been offered jobs in Dublin but I can't take them cause I have no accommodation and they're bar jobs so I'll be working really late.

I've been considering working abroad in a call centre or something like that. Does anyone know how I'd go about doing this?

And what would you do in my situation? College is not an option this year as I haven't got the qualifications and the signup dates was February. I'm enrolled in a Security Guard course in the next few weeks so I should have my certificate by May. Is this a good start or am I wasting my time?

Thanks.

eeguy

Thej693 wrote: »

Alright so I'm 23 and currently looking for a job in bartending or office/call centre work. I've been applying online constantly and most of the time, my applications just get ignored. Its so frustrating. I'm broke as hell and I want to get my own place and money. But there's not many jobs in Dundalk, unfortunately.

I've been offered jobs in Dublin but I can't take them cause I have no accommodation and they're bar jobs so I'll be working really late.

I've been considering working abroad in a call centre or something like that. Does anyone know how I'd go about doing this?
And what would you do in my situation? College is not an option this year as I haven't got the qualifications and the signup dates was February. I'm enrolled in a Security Guard course in the next few weeks so I should have my certificate by May. Is this a good start or am I wasting my time?

Thanks.

What have you been up to since your leaving cert?
Also have a look at Springboard courses. Probably not many up this time of year, but it's a college course, free for jobseekers and sign up is usually in August

Thej693

eeguy wrote: »

What have you been up to since your leaving cert?
Also have a look at Springboard courses. Probably not many up this time of year, but it's a college course, free for jobseekers and sign up is usually in August

I need money now. I can't really afford to wait.

Plus I find those courses don't do anything. I completed a Call Centre one and was promised work placement in SalesSense and we didn't get it. I had to go out and get the work placement myself and that was in a local bar.

I also wasn't getting paid for this course. So overall a complete waste of time. I also didn't do my leaving cert although my CV states otherwise.

jcd5971

Thej693 wrote:

I also wasn't getting paid for this course. So overall a complete waste of time. I also didn't do my leaving cert although my CV states otherwise.

I get how hard it is to get something 8 really do its tough right now, but I don't recommend this, in the end it will only come back to bite you.

gavindublin

Would you work nights in Dublin and travel back home during the day? Travel home in the morning and back in the evening

eeguy

Thej693 wrote: »

I need money now. I can't really afford to wait.

Plus I find those courses don't do anything. I completed a Call Centre one and was promised work placement in SalesSense and we didn't get it. I had to go out and get the work placement myself and that was in a local bar.

I also wasn't getting paid for this course. So overall a complete waste of time. I also didn't do my leaving cert although my CV states otherwise.

Unfortunately you're on the back foot. If you've no formal qualification and little work experience then you're going to be outclassed by a lot of people based on CV alone. Added to that, Summer is coming, so there'll be thousands of students looking for work in the next few months too.

Short term, I can't help you with finding a job. Only luck or knowing someone will get you there.

My long term advice would be to think hard about what you want to do with your life. You're 23, so you're a mature student. Which means the usual CAO application may not apply to you. Which means you may be able to get BTEA. So you MAY be able to get into a course by interviewing.

Education may not appeal to you when you're 23 and working minimum wage, but when you're 28, or 32 and all your friends have good jobs, are going on holidays and your boss is 10 years younger than you, you'll really regret it.

Look at BTEA.
Look at the courses offered in Dundalk.
See if one appeals and call the office and ask to speak to the course co-ordinator. Plead your case and see what happens.

Thej693

eeguy wrote: »

Unfortunately you're on the back foot. If you've no formal qualification and little work experience then you're going to be outclassed by a lot of people based on CV alone. Added to that, Summer is coming, so there'll be thousands of students looking for work in the next few months too.

Short term, I can't help you with finding a job. Only luck or knowing someone will get you there.

My long term advice would be to think hard about what you want to do with your life. You're 23, so you're a mature student. Which means the usual CAO application may not apply to you. Which means you may be able to get BTEA. So you MAY be able to get into a course by interviewing.

Education may not appeal to you when you're 23 and working minimum wage, but when you're 28, or 32 and all your friends have good jobs, are going on holidays and your boss is 10 years younger than you, you'll really regret it.

Look at BTEA.
Look at the courses offered in Dundalk.
See if one appeals and call the office and ask to speak to the course co-ordinator. Plead your case and see what happens.

My CV is entirely lies so that's not why I'm not getting calls. I have had tons of interviews with no success.

Back to Education is not an option for me right now. Maybe down the line. Like I said, I can't afford to not be getting paid for another 2-3 years. I need money now.

I am extremely skilled with computers. I can type on average 82 words per minute and know if I get the chance to work in an office, I'll nail it.

Thej693

gavindublin wrote: »

Would you work nights in Dublin and travel back home during the day? Travel home in the morning and back in the evening

Where would I go during the AM? I can't drive and roaming around the streets of Dublin at crazy hours in the morning is risky. Unless anyone has a good idea of where I could go, like a hotel lobby or something.

Thej693

jcd5971 wrote: »

I get how hard it is to get something 8 really do its tough right now, but I don't recommend this, in the end it will only come back to bite you.

That might be the case but its my only option right now. I have an "honest" CV and it gets me nowhere. My false CV gets me interviews the odd time.

eeguy

Thej693 wrote: »

My CV is entirely lies so that's not why I'm not getting calls. I have had tons of interviews with no success.

Back to Education is not an option for me right now. Maybe down the line. Like I said, I can't afford to not be getting paid for another 2-3 years. I need money now.

I am extremely skilled with computers. I can type on average 82 words per minute and know if I get the chance to work in an office, I'll nail it.

If you're not getting the jobs then you may as well be not getting interviews.

You'll get the usual 188 per week or whatever that is on BTEA and as you live in a college town that could definitely work for you. You won't come out better if you get a job you need to travel to, especially in Dublin. I'd see it as an investment where you'll earn much more in a professional job in 3/4 years than working in a bar or on the door.

If you're good with computers then maybe you could go for certs to get an IT job? I've never seen an office job with high WPM as a main requirement.

Loveinapril

Thej693 wrote: »

Where would I go during the AM? I can't drive and roaming around the streets of Dublin at crazy hours in the morning is risky. Unless anyone has a good idea of where I could go, like a hotel lobby or something.

If you worked full nights (ie 7pm-7am) you could go home for the day. The security course might open doors for you here.
You will forever be on the back foot with no formal qualifications though, so you should really consider going to college. My husband left school at 16 and is now in college as a mature student receiving BTEA. It was such a hard thing to do but it was harder going from sh!t job to sh!t job with no real chance of a raise or professional growth.
What have you been doing with your time since you left school? Are you in any clubs or have you vounteered at all? All of this shows passion ad motivation and is so important, even if it's "I am a member of the local GAA and play matches once a week".

jimmycrackcorm

Thej693 wrote:

I've been offered jobs in Dublin but I can't take them cause I have no accommodation and they're bar jobs so I'll be working really late.

Look to room share. You seen to be in a bit of a chicken and egg situation, need money to move but need to move to Dublin to get money. Would family not help you? Are you not entitled to anything from the DSP?

Thej693

eeguy wrote: »

If you're not getting the jobs then you may as well be not getting interviews.

You'll get the usual 188 per week or whatever that is on BTEA and as you live in a college town that could definitely work for you. You won't come out better if you get a job you need to travel to, especially in Dublin. I'd see it as an investment where you'll earn much more in a professional job in 3/4 years than working in a bar or on the door.

If you're good with computers then maybe you could go for certs to get an IT job? I've never seen an office job with high WPM as a main requirement.

I'll be 26 in 3 years. I need more than 188 per week.

I don't really care much about professional growth or whatever. I just want a reasonably good job that pays at least 300-400 per week.

Thej693

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Look to room share. You seen to be in a bit of a chicken and egg situation, need money to move but need to move to Dublin to get money. Would family not help you? Are you not entitled to anything from the DSP?

I've been heavily considering that. But how would I go about doing it? I only get paid 100 per week. That's why I'm so desperate to get a job.

fleet

Good at computers?

Get a Cisco CCNA cert. in a FETAC college.
This will take you from Sept - May.

Put the work in, get the certs. and nobody will look twice at your lack of Leaving Cert. You'll start at 23k and be on 40k inside of 5 years if you keep your head down.

Tell me how

Thej693 wrote:

I also didn't do my leaving cert although my CV states otherwise.

Thej693 wrote:

My CV is entirely lies so that's not why I'm not getting calls.

Thej693 wrote:

My false CV gets me interviews the odd time.

Seriously. What do you expect? What is going to change if you've gotten to 23 and don't have a formal education or a cc shows that you're willing to work.

Thej693 wrote:

I don't really care much about professional growth or whatever. I just want a reasonably good job that pays at least 300-400 per week.

40 hrs a week in McDonald's will get you 300 to 400 a week.

_Brian

Thej693 wrote: »

My CV is entirely lies so that's not why I'm not getting calls. I have had tons of interviews with no success.

Back to Education is not an option for me right now. Maybe down the line. Like I said, I can't afford to not be getting paid for another 2-3 years. I need money now.

I am extremely skilled with computers. I can type on average 82 words per minute and know if I get the chance to work in an office, I'll nail it.

I'm sorry but you mews to listen to the advice being given above.

The days of someone with no qualifications getting work are essentially over unless you know someone which I get the feeling you don't.

I interview a lot and I expect that when you start the interview it quickly becomes obvious that your cv is a load of lies and so your automatically dead in the water. People don't like being lied to and are very weary of hiring liars, they don't make good employees.

Training is your key to getting a job, you need to be able to demonstrate that you can complete something that someone has tested you on.

You can keep blindly going on lieing if you wish but your only wasting your time and that of those seeing you.

eeguy

Thej693 wrote: »

I'll be 26 in 3 years. I need more than 188 per week.

I don't really care much about professional growth or whatever. I just want a reasonably good job that pays at least 300-400 per week.

300-400 a week is grand when you're single, no kids, no car and living at home.

Trust me, if any of those things change you'll be lost.

My last word on this is that I was in your position. 22, no meaningful qualification and working minimum wage. 330 a week goes quickly when you're commuting and running a car.
I got on a Springboard course, did 2 years of college, and by age 27 I was just shy of 50k a year and I love my job.
It was a sh*t three years of poverty and stress, but I'm so happy I did it, because I'd still be working in that f*cking shop earning my 330 a week.

It's up to you to make the best of your life, put in the effort while you have the time.

Sleeper12

Sky TV are always hiring for their Dublin call centre.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Thej693 wrote: »

My CV is entirely lies so that's not why I'm not getting calls. I have had tons of interviews with no success.

Back to Education is not an option for me right now. Maybe down the line. Like I said, I can't afford to not be getting paid for another 2-3 years. I need money now.

I am extremely skilled with computers. I can type on average 82 words per minute and know if I get the chance to work in an office, I'll nail it.

If you are extremely skilled at computers then definitely look into doing a course.

Check out the Comptia A+ course for a start. It's been updated recently and with some study, you should be fine I found the second exam a little harder than the first, I don't work with computers in that manner but I really wanted to get certified in something I enjoy doing.

fleet wrote: »

Good at computers?

Get a Cisco CCNA cert. in a FETAC college.
This will take you from Sept - May.

Put the work in, get the certs. and nobody will look twice at your lack of Leaving Cert. You'll start at 23k and be on 40k inside of 5 years if you keep your head down.

Cisco CCNA is also fantastic, but they have changed their exams over the past years, I think it's quite difficult now and probably not the best starting point? I am not 100% sure about that though.

If you are analytical then advanced EXCEL courses would be great. Companies are cracked for data and macros and all the fancy stuff you can do with EXCEL. In my previous roll there was a "reporting specialist" role open for the guts of a year, pay was pretty awesome too and only entry level.

You could also check out Microsofts certificates or windows servers if that tickles your fancy.

A lot of companies do background checks, so lying on your CV may not be the wises thing to do. If your CV doesn't check out, they won't take you on.

fleet

Sullivan Thundering Voyage wrote: »

If you are extremely skilled at computers then definitely look into doing a course.

Check out the Comptia A+ course for a start. It's been updated recently and with some study, you should be fine I found the second exam a little harder than the first, I don't work with computers in that manner but I really wanted to get certified in something I enjoy doing.



Cisco CCNA is also fantastic, but they have changed their exams over the past years, I think it's quite difficult now and probably not the best starting point? I am not 100% sure about that though.

If you are analytical then advanced EXCEL courses would be great. Companies are cracked for data and macros and all the fancy stuff you can do with EXCEL. In my previous roll there was a "reporting specialist" role open for the guts of a year, pay was pretty awesome too and only entry level.

You could also check out Microsofts certificates or windows servers if that tickles your fancy.

A lot of companies do background checks, so lying on your CV may not be the wises thing to do. If your CV doesn't check out, they won't take you on.

Comptia A+ is grand as a foundation, I have it, Network+ and Security+.

The CCNA (and later CCNP) are what had the offers rolling in though.

My present employer would kill for a CCNA that had been through a Cisco Academy (like many FETAC colleges are)

Thej693

Tell me how wrote: »

Seriously. What do you expect? What is going to change if you've gotten to 23 and don't have a formal education or a cc shows that you're willing to work.



40 hrs a week in McDonald's will get you 300 to 400 a week.

They THINK I have the qualifications and I still don't get hired. So what difference will it make if I go back and get a leaving cert for real? I'll still be looking for work when the 2 years is up!

Hollister11

Stop moaning that you don't have qualifications and get some.

I'm going to be brutally honest here. Unless you start a business or get a job through nepotism, with a leaving cert or college qualifications you in their going to spend the rest of your life working in a unforfilling, **** paying job, or on the dole.

How your life pans out is in your hands. So go to college and get a qualification. Or learn a trade such as plumbing, electrician ect. Do something proactive and stop moaning on boards ffs.

Thej693

Thej693 wrote: »

They THINK I have the qualifications and I still don't get hired. So what difference will it make if I go back and get a leaving cert for a real? I'll still be looking for work when the 2 years is up!

Has someone ever given feedback on your cv?
Do you have a good cover letter?
I had been working in the same place for 7 years, wanted a change, sent loads of cvs off, no replies. My cv was really good, but my gf had a look and asked why I had no cover letter. I made one up, next job I applied for got a response straight away.

You just need to get your foot in the door. Call centre is a good idea as you won't need good qualifications, but can be a good gateway to other office jobs if you are a good employee. I know lots of people on amazing money who started in call centre or similar jobs, and have no 3rd level qualifications. And I know a lot of people with 3rd level education who have not made any use of it

Good solid experience with good references has served me very well

Whatever job you get, just be amazing at it. I know that sounds corny, but have any other attitude and you are just wasting your time.

get someone to have a look at your cv
Do a cover letter, and slightly amend it for each job you apply for to show how suited you would be to the role

Good luck

kirving

Lying on your CV will get you absolutely nowhere, and will be clear as day to the interviewer within 5 minutes.

I'm a couple of years older than you, and at 22 I probably would have been quite happy to work for 300-400 per week. The problem is that once you need to pay rent, save for a mortgage deposit, run a car, food, health insurance, tax, have kids, or want to go on a holiday, you're really going to find it extremely difficult.

You're only 22 and have plenty of time to study. Remember, the employer to an extent doesn't care what the study is, what you're doing is proving that you can be responsible for your own work, and have a desire to do it properly. Unfortunately, the days of getting a job out of school are over, and you need to prove yourself.

The best thing you can do right now is a level 5, 6 or 7 course in an area you're interested in, with a view to getting up to level 7 eventually.

In the meantime, work in a shop in the evenings, a bar at weekends, clean windows, whatever you can to get some money in to keep you going.

Good luck!

CIARAN_BOYLE

Thej693 wrote: »

They THINK I have the qualifications and I still don't get hired. So what difference will it make if I go back and get a leaving cert for real? I'll still be looking for work when the 2 years is up!

No they don't think that you have qualifications. They think you are a lie in sack of ****e. they may believe you about the leaving but other than that?

Honestly get qualifications.

if you want to go without qualifications go down the recruitment agency route. There's always a chance someone needs a job for a bit above minimum wage and they just don't know where to get someone. unfortunately for many of these jobs knowing someone on the inside is important.

Jurgen Klopp

fleet wrote: »

Comptia A+ is grand as a foundation, I have it, Network+ and Security+.

The CCNA (and later CCNP) are what had the offers rolling in though.

My present employer would kill for a CCNA that had been through a Cisco Academy (like many FETAC colleges are)

I'm curious lad, did you just do the CISCO exams or did you have a IT degree from a college to go with it?

I always heard a lot of companies didn't give a toss over you lack of degree once you done the CISCO exams

erpmeis

Thej693 wrote: »

That might be the case but its my only option right now. I have an "honest" CV and it gets me nowhere. My false CV gets me interviews the odd time.

Any tips for this false CV making mate?

I've two degrees in Science and have even offered to work on unpaid internships only to be ignored completely.

*Sorry for hijacking thread*

I have no advice for the OP as with qualification to Level 9 I still can't find work.

_Brian

Thej693 wrote: »

They THINK I have the qualifications and I still don't get hired. So what difference will it make if I go back and get a leaving cert for real? I'll still be looking for work when the 2 years is up!

There's no point coming on asking for advice from people and then banging on the same tune over and over..
Its pretty obvious at this stage that the combination of a CV full of lies and your lack of any qualifications is shining through when you go to interview, or maybe its the same attitude your showing here that's coming through at interview..
Unless you've connections your not going to walk into a job without doing proper qualifications, if you believe that's possible then your deluding yourself and wasting the time of everyone who is responding here giving reasonable advice..

Choose a field you think your strongest in and get some qualifications, thinking your going to succeed doing anything else is just madness.

People have given great advice above on what IT type qualifications may yield good results, ignore it at your peril.

Jim2007

Thej693 wrote: »

They THINK I have the qualifications and I still don't get hired. So what difference will it make if I go back and get a leaving cert for real? I'll still be looking for work when the 2 years is up!

Most likely they see through you and are too polite to call you out on it. Put you in a room with a couple of educated young people and you'll stand out like a sore thumb! The only one you are fooling is yourself!

BTW working abroad is not an option if you have no savings. You need at least enough money to live on while you are searching for a job, pay a deposit on a flat and possibly buy some furniture as well depending on the country. On top of that the Europeans you will be competing against will have the equivalent of the leaving cert or completed trade school and speak a couple languages, so it is not going to be any easier than Ireland.

You saw you are good at computers but all you mention is typing speed. So what do you mean by being good at computers?

You have time on your hands, so you have time for education! If you are good with computers then look at freecodecamp.com, work your way through the training material, build the portfolio site, do the charity project and come away with something to show that you are good at computers. Depending on how well you do one of the project managers there might even be willing to offer you a remote job.

FizzleSticks

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Jim2007

FizzleSticks wrote: »

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The difference between you and the  OP:

I don't really care much about professional growth or whatever. I just want a reasonably good job that pays at least 300-400 per week.

boobycharlton

Apply for BTEA or find a VTOS course in computers if they interest you so much. I did Comptia A+, CCNA and Level 6 advanced cert in systems & networks through VTOS in 2 years a few years back. You were allowed work through the summer and keep payment as well. Not many country's in the world who will pay for and pay you to get educated. You may as well take advantage of it.

FIT (fastrack to IT, a non profit training company) also have an apprenticeship type thing up and running in software development or networking. They link you in with a company (Accenture, IBM etc) and the company pay you (starts around 350 up to 400 odd in last year) to go to college 3 days a week and work with them for the other 2. You get certified by QQI and City & Guilds and are very likely to be offered a permanent position at the end of the apprenticeship. Link here:

http://fit.ie/courses/fit-ictap/

Plenty of options for you, but you seriously need to lose the idea of being able to get by in life with no formal qualifications. The world has moved on from that, and you have to adapt or face a life of misery on the dole.

LollipopJimmy

I am a recruiter, if you want to send me your real CV (without name/contact details) I'll review it and suggest edits to gear it towards what you're looking for.

As for job hunting, take ANYTHING you can get, if it means getting night buses or imposing on family for lifts just do it. The likes of Pinergy, Airtricity, FMI (Virgin Media/Electric Ireland) etc. will take you on and pay you a salary to do D2D sales once you can walk, talk and dress yourself. Some people look down on this kind of work but it'll give you a good grounding and a lot of good call centre agents started in D2D sales. I am currently recruiting for a call centre role in Dublin and the standard I'm getting is pretty high.

event

Ebay in Dublin are constantly hiring new people, €26500 p/a starting wage

doc22

boobycharlton wrote: »

Apply for BTEA or find a VTOS course in computers if they interest you so much. I did Comptia A+, CCNA and Level 6 advanced cert in systems & networks through VTOS in 2 years a few years back. You were allowed work through the summer and keep payment as well. Not many country's in the world who will pay for and pay you to get educated. You may as well take advantage of it.

FIT (fastrack to IT, a non profit training company) also have an apprenticeship type thing up and running in software development or networking. They link you in with a company (Accenture, IBM etc) and the company pay you (starts around 350 up to 400 odd in last year) to go to college 3 days a week and work with them for the other 2. You get certified by QQI and City & Guilds and are very likely to be offered a permanent position at the end of the apprenticeship. Link here:

http://fit.ie/courses/fit-ictap/

Plenty of options for you, but you seriously need to lose the idea of being able to get by in life with no formal qualifications. The world has moved on from that, and you have to adapt or face a life of misery on the dole.

Did you get an IT job out of it though.

boobycharlton

Yeah, a few short term contracts upgrading ATM's. To be honest with you I didn't enjoy the work though, so I now work in a completely unrelated field. Helped me get a start and experience on the CV though.

FizzleSticks

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Moonbeam

Stop lying in your CV .
Apply for all and any jobs Shops,pubs,fast food places ,Civil Service ,call centres .
When you get one do it as well as you can and move up.the ladder or do a part time course and move on .
If you want to work with computers decide in which area then Coursera and EdX offer free courses .

in the year 2017 someone who has not done the leaving cert despite having the ability to do so has some issue going on and perhaps that is what is preventing them getting a job.

doc22

Moonbeam wrote: »

Stop lying in your CV .
Apply for all and any jobs Shops,pubs,fast food places ,Civil Service ,call centres .
When you get one do it as well as you can and move up.the ladder or do a part time course and move on .
If you want to work with computers decide in which area then Coursera and EdX offer free courses .

Some good course but without some certification they're useless

ros260

I think the op is the perfect example of a person the dsp should be targeting with there activation policy. Put them in a tus office based job for a year and get some experience.

retro:electro

Take any job, and be applying for other jobs while you're working. You're always more favourable when you're employed. You can't go from nothing and no qualifications to €400 a week just because you say so. Stop lying and get working. I see signs up on windows constantly looking for people. Would you work in a bar? One week and you'd be trained. Most employers love hiring people who've worked in bars because if you can deal with drunks you can deal with anyone.

Meeoow

Have you tried Newry?
Plenty of jobs there. Teleperformance call centre are usually looking people.
Bus eireann and halpennys bus have regular services.
Loads of Dundalkers are working in Newry now.