Thanks Cork City Council

Dbu

What a narrow minded bunch
Had this from a worker there, new parking regime in and around the Mercy Hosp area initially, but will be almost certainly be introduced city wide within a few months
They are extending the parking for an extra 2 hours until 8.30pm for 6 days a week to 'catch' the following eventually.
1.Students attending night classes in various colleges in and around the city
2.Friday/ Saturday evening night shoppers
3.People that come in to town for meals in restaurants
4 Hospital visitors (especially Mercy and SIVUH)

They are also reducing 2hr zones to 1 hour.

Congrats on trying to kill the city:mad:

gimmick

But why are the city traders not kicking up more of a fuss about this? People should be encouraged to go into the city not penalised for it. If public transport was better I might understand so people would be more inclined to use a bus, but you cannot exactly set your watch by a bus. FFS, I live about 4kms outside the city and have no bus service to the city unless I walk for 15 minutes to the closest bus stop.

Why does no business come forward and suggest validated parking ie, spent €10 or whatever in any Merchants Quay shop you get your parking free?

No wonder people prefer go to MP or Wilton or where ever :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

whisky_galore

gimmick wrote: »

No wonder people prefer go to MP or Wilton or where ever :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Even then, only so many cars can get in and out of those places without getting totally clogged with traffic.

gimmick

whisky_galore wrote: »

Even then, only so many cars can get in and out of those places without getting totally clogged with traffic.

Ya, mahon is a disaster. At least Wilton has 2 exits.

shnaek

We've started to head out to Middleton to shop and eat with the kids, which is ludicrous but the council are intent on closing down the city. Sher they have free parking themselves so feck the rest of us.

GavRedKing

Thats absurd really.

They might as well go the whole hog and start charging on Sunday too.

walsh08

Oh but the businesses Did kick up a stink and submitted objections last July.The council went directly against what the businesses asked for.

Remember This facebook post from the Cornstore:
https://www.facebook.com/cornstore.cork/photos/pcb.794593273976560/794591240643430/?type=3 (or just google Cornstore city council parking).

KCAccidental

Aren't they also extending the opening hours of North Main Street Multistory to 9:30pm MON-SUN as well though?

surely easier for most to use that and leave the on street parking for the residents of the area.

namloc1980

KCAccidental wrote: »

Aren't they also extending the opening hours of North Main Street Multistory to 9:30pm MON-SUN as well though?

surely easier for most to use that and leave the on street parking for the residents of the area.

Reading between the lines it would seem the measures are being put in place for residents similar to when parking times were extended by the Bons.

cc

Just park in a car park, more cars same roads, something has to give. I'm surprised Patrick Street was ever redeveloped given the loss of on a street Parking mentality that rears its head by each time somthing is proposed to make the city a bit more livable.

mikeym

Is it the councilors that come up with these Bull**** ideas?

j8wk2feszrnpao

cc wrote: »

Just park in a car park, more cars same roads, something has to give. I'm surprised Patrick Street was ever redeveloped given the loss of on a street Parking mentality that rears its head by each time somthing is proposed to make the city a bit more livable.

It's designed to make more money for the council. Livable...give me a break; if the same number of cars just pay for longer parking, what does that achieve for living in the city? It's a money making exercise, which may backfire if it turns people away from the city center.

KCAccidental

Simeon Shrilling Toothpaste wrote: »

It's designed to make more money for the council. Livable...give me a break; if the same number of cars just pay for longer parking, what does that achieve for living in the city? It's a money making exercise, which may backfire if it turns people away from the city center.

well yes more livable for residents of the middle parish, so they don't have to fight for parking when they get home from work.

cc

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's designed to make more money for the council. Livable...give me a break; if the same number of cars just pay for longer parking, what does that achieve for living in the city? It's a money making exercise, which may backfire if it turns people away from the city center.

It's very easy to paint as money making without any context, it increases the turnover of spaces and brings pricing in line with the city owned car parks that charge per hour. God forbid it might also encourage other forms transport which might ease conjestion which is only going to increase each year.

pwurple

KCAccidental wrote: »

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's designed to make more money for the council. Livable...give me a break; if the same number of cars just pay for longer parking, what does that achieve for living in the city? It's a money making exercise, which may backfire if it turns people away from the city center.

well yes more livable for residents of the middle parish, so they don't have to fight for parking when they get home from work.

Won't they still have to fight for it? And pay extra and move their car every hour I assume, if they finish before 8:30pm. The parking permits only function outside the hours for paid parking, don't they?

namloc1980

pwurple wrote: »

Won't they still have to fight for it? And pay extra and move their car every hour I assume, if they finish before 8:30pm. The parking permits only function outside the hours for paid parking, don't they?

No the permit allows parking in the pay zone without time limits etc. It would be madness to have to move your car every hour if you lived inside the city parking zones.

j8wk2feszrnpao

KCAccidental wrote: »

well yes more livable for residents of the middle parish, so they don't have to fight for parking when they get home from work.

So encourage more car use for those living in the city center? Ok.

j8wk2feszrnpao

cc wrote: »

It's very easy to paint as money making without any context, it increases the turnover of spaces and brings pricing in line with the city owned car parks that charge per hour. God forbid it might also encourage other forms transport which might ease conjestion which is only going to increase each year.

Yes, very easy, cause it is a money making exercise.

gimmick

KCAccidental wrote: »

Aren't they also extending the opening hours of North Main Street Multistory to 9:30pm MON-SUN as well though?

surely easier for most to use that and leave the on street parking for the residents of the area.

Walking down NMS at 9pm on a dark Wednesday night into a pretty deserted building isn't exactly the safest option around. Cannot imagine too may would be too keen, especially women. And rightly so.

cc wrote: »

It's very easy to paint as money making without any context, it increases the turnover of spaces and brings pricing in line with the city owned car parks that charge per hour. God forbid it might also encourage other forms transport which might ease conjestion which is only going to increase each year.

What other forms to you suggest then? As I already have said the bus services into and out of the City are abject (when the poor darlings are not on strike)

Lia_lia

KCAccidental wrote: »

well yes more livable for residents of the middle parish, so they don't have to fight for parking when they get home from work.

I live on the North Mall and it will make it harder for me to find parking I reckon! My zone would be North Mall, Popes Quay, Shandon area. So I can see people that are going to the Mercy etc park around my area as the new rules don't apply to the zone I'm in.

It's already a nightmare to find parking most of the time anyway. Most days I'd be home by around 5, luckily.

Stupid idea really. Especially for restaurants around the area.

Rhinohippo

Frustrating.

Pitcairn

The residents living near the Mercy want these parking changes.
They have parking permits but most of the spaces are always taken up.

A similar thing happened around UCC because residents could not get parking. The students attending evening classes would take all the spaces after 6.30pm because it was free so they extended the hours to 8.30pm.

pwurple

I think people living in the city centre should not need a car. I never had one living in boston, new york or london. Can we not even aspire to some public transport for urban living?

mik_da_man

pwurple wrote: »

I think people living in the city centre should not need a car. I never had one living in boston, new york or london. Can we not even aspire to some public transport for urban living?

LOL - Are you actually comparing Cork to those cities?

You might get away without a car in Dublin, not a hope in Cork IMO.

opus

pwurple wrote: »

I think people living in the city centre should not need a car. I never had one living in boston, new york or london. Can we not even aspire to some public transport for urban living?

I live in the city centre & own a car, it's not used for getting around town rather visiting my aunt in West Cork, travelling to visit friends in a small town in Wicklow for the long w/end, going to Connemara for a race next weekend, the list goes on. There is no other way to get to these places other than by driving.

Not sure why you would think living in the centre as opposed to the 'burbs should mean you don't need a car

whisky_galore

pwurple wrote: »

Can we not even aspire to some public transport for urban living?

No.
Welcome to Ireland.

KCAccidental

gimmick wrote: »

Walking down NMS at 9pm on a dark Wednesday night into a pretty deserted building isn't exactly the safest option around. Cannot imagine too may would be too keen, especially women. And rightly so.

parking down dark back streets like Peters Street, Coach Street and and devonshire st is the alternative. I don't think that that are much safer than North Main Street. at least there you will have a secure parking space!

pwurple

mik_da_man wrote: »

pwurple wrote: »

I think people living in the city centre should not need a car. I never had one living in boston, new york or london. Can we not even aspire to some public transport for urban living?

LOL - Are you actually comparing Cork to those cities?

You might get away without a car in Dublin, not a hope in Cork IMO.

I used the word "aspire". As in, wouldn't it be nice in the future...

namloc1980

pwurple wrote: »

I used the word "aspire". As in, wouldn't it be nice in the future...

It would but setting unreasonable aspirations such as saying we should aspire to have public transport systems like London and New York is an unrealistic place to begin.

Lia_lia

opus wrote: »

I live in the city centre & own a car, it's not used for getting around town rather visiting my aunt in West Cork, travelling to visit friends in a small town in Wicklow for the long w/end, going to Connemara for a race next weekend, the list goes on. There is no other way to get to these places other than by driving.

Not sure why you would think living in the centre as opposed to the 'burbs should mean you don't need a car

I'd be the same. Never use it to get around the city but would use it to visit home (in Kerry) and visit my partners family that live in North Cork. It's nice to have one car between us, would be no need to have two cars as we are both on bus routes to work.

It would also be nice to have a driveway though

whisky_galore

pwurple wrote: »

I used the word "aspire". As in, wouldn't it be nice in the future...

Public transport is not a sexy vote-getter. People here are only interested on how much will be in their pockets, what their property is worth and water charges. Hard to get people worked up about it, they would rather grin and bear it and get up earlier to get into work on time.

pwurple

namloc1980 wrote: »

It would but setting unreasonable aspirations such as saying we should aspire to have public transport systems like London and New York is an unrealistic place to begin.

Maybe we could "aspire" to our own past? We had trams and light rail in the city going out to blackrock and passage only a few decades ago. Car ownership should not be required in a place of Cork city population density.

Here's a map of the tram system Cork city had in the 1930's.


And here is douglas with a tram.


Not one of my tenants in the city owns a car. If they want to go for a drive to west cork or something they hire a car for the weekend, or use the go cars. Owning and maintaining a private car is one of the most expensive things I do. It's third on my list of yearly expenses, after childcare and my mortgage. I'd love to get rid of it. I want that dosh in my pocket.

Surely living in the city should come with those advantages. Not having to dig a well or have a septic tank, decent broadband, and reliable transport options.

If this strike has shown us anything, it's that Cork is far too dependent on the whims of bus drivers.

pwurple

Here's a video of Cork from 1910. Note the transport system.

https://www.facebook.com/irisharound/videos/1584897248490544/

Also remember, in the 1800's Cork had the same population and a similar city profile to Edinburgh. It was 37th in terms of population size in all of Europe. It was bigger than any German city at the time, or dutch city. Berlin has a metro, tram, underground and buses now. Don't get me started on amsterdam. Water taxi's, where are they here?

There is no reason Cork can't be a city with decent transport. You'd swear I was talking about moving us all to the moon... it's been done before, the infrastructure is still under the tarmac.

whisky_galore

The infrastructure, where it remains, is of no use now and not suited to modern re use.
Everything will have to be built from scratch.

namloc1980

It's simply not a political priority. Any politician in Cork who campaigns on massively upgrading public transport won't be elected. People just don't care enough about it. The politician who campaigns on lower taxes, getting rid of water charges etc. will be elected. We saw that in the most recent election. Rural politicians also won't have any interest in public transport in Cork city. The​ recent launch of the Cork 2050 document saw rural county councillors moaning that it didn't do anything for them. I'd love a world class transport system in Cork but the general public couldn't care less.

boardsuser1

I read somewhere recently from Corbett's tyres over to the main entrance of the Mercy by the quay wall is being made into a plaza. More cars being forced into rat runs.

whisky_galore

The city will have to grind to a complete halt before the penny finally drops. Irish people can't see beyond the ends of their noses.

boardsuser1

whisky_galore wrote: »

The city will have to grind to a complete halt before the penny finally drops. Irish people can't see beyond the ends of their noses.

With all the pedestrianisation going on it'll be too late when the penny drops.

Patrick Street,Grand Parade, Parnell place, have all been transformed for the worse. Then when you think of the state of Washington street and the cycle lanes.

They want to turn Ireland into Beijing.

All this started in 1999 with the main drainage program.

Ludo

KC161 wrote: »

With all the pedestrianisation going on it'll be too late when the penny drops.

Patrick Street,Grand Parade, Parnell place, have all been transformed for the worse. Then when you think of the state of Washington street and the cycle lanes.

Worse for cars...yes.
Worse in terms of a nice city centre experience...no way.
I would have no problem with them banning all cars from Grand Parade, Oliver Plunkett Street and Patrick Street to be honest.

boardsuser1

Ludo wrote: »

Worse for cars...yes.
Worse in terms of a nice city centre experience...no way.
I would have no problem with them banning all cars from Grand Parade, Oliver Plunkett Street and Patrick Street to be honest.

The public transport system here isn't good enough for that.

Imagine the car ban during a 3 week bus strike.

boardsuser1

https://www.google.ie/amp/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/expansion-plans-for-corks-mercy-hospital-unveiled-440616.html

Ludo

KC161 wrote: »

The public transport system here isn't good enough for that.

Imagine the car ban during a 3 week bus strike.

Of course it is....in fact what i mean is it is irrelevant to it. No need to drive on those streets public transport or not. Park and walk.

namloc1980

KC161 wrote: »

With all the pedestrianisation going on it'll be too late when the penny drops.

Patrick Street,Grand Parade, Parnell place, have all been transformed for the worse.

This from the early 80s is enough for me to know the changes have been very good for the city. Cars and vehicles everywhere in a city is horrendous.

namloc1980

Give me this:




over this any day of the week:

boardsuser1

namloc1980 wrote: »

Give me this:




over this any day of the week:

I'm the reverse

namloc1980

KC161 wrote: »

I'm the reverse

You want to see city streets clogged with cars with pedestrians relegated to narrow little footpaths on the sides? Cities are ultimately about people, not so you can park your car outside Debenhams on Pana.

j8wk2feszrnpao

namloc1980 wrote: »

You want to see city streets clogged with cars with pedestrians relegated to narrow little footpaths on the sides? Cities are ultimately about people, not so you can park your car outside Debenhams on Pana.

Will you get over yourself. The city isn't what you define it as.

boardsuser1

namloc1980 wrote: »

You want to see city streets clogged with cars with pedestrians relegated to narrow little footpaths on the sides? Cities are ultimately about people, not so you can park your car outside Debenhams on Pana.

It's not all about cars. Look at the old photos of Cork Facebook page. People still had plenty of space.

I just don't like the look of the central island over the last 15 years.

Ludo

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Will you get over yourself. The city isn't what you define it as.

No need for that in fairness. We are having a calm discussion so no need to get antagonistic.

Cities everywhere are getting less car friendly...this is life now and IMHO correct. Some people wont like that unfortunately but will have to adjust or in the long term be proven right and wait for it all to come round to the old way.

boardsuser1

Ludo wrote: »

No need for that in fairness. We are having a calm discussion so no need to get antagonistic.

Cities everywhere are getting less car friendly...this is life now and IMHO correct. Some people wont like that unfortunately but will have to adjust or in the long term be proven right and wait for it all to come round to the old way.

I was raised the old fashioned way. Original is best. That is how I see it.

Ludo

KC161 wrote: »

I was raised the old fashioned way. Original is best. That is how I see it.

eh but but but...the way before that was trams and NO cars at all. How far back is the best :-)