What the? Thread looking to discuss moderators is deleted?

CINCLANTFLT

An interesting thread started a few minutes ago... I think from Max737 that asked about moderators on boards... I thought it was an interesting opening and took the time to write the below post... just before I submitted, I thought "surely this post won't be deleted straight away by the mods, but just in case I'll copy my text"... I hit submit and got a message that the thread no longer exists! I wonder if this one will be deleted as well?

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The 3% measure is an interesting starting point... now to try and establish some credibility, when I'm not giving out about unions and cyclists on boards, I am quite senior in my profession and one of expert areas is regulation and compliance... you'll just have to believe me!

Now, having a supervisor / regulator that is removed or separated from the domain they are policing is a basic and important principle... look at how chummy things were between banks and the financial regulator and where that ended up.

Next if you are a supervisor / regulator, you have to be really careful about any statement you make... you are making policy when you speak...

Lastly, you have to be professional and assertive...

So when a moderator makes any post in a forum and thus takes some position, then they are breaching these simple principles...

A simple answer may be that you can no longer post where you moderate...

Nody

You mean this thread?

CINCLANTFLT

Nody wrote: »

You mean this thread?

Try posting in it... even try posting the word test... you'll get an error message...

Sully

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Try posting in it... even try posting the word test... you'll get an error message...

Fairly sure posts have always been moderated in that forum due to the nature of its purpose and setup...

Nody

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Try posting in it... even try posting the word test... you'll get an error message...

Nope; I get the message my post is premoderated (and the rest of the spiel) as it always has been in that forum which would point towards a problem at your end I'm afraid or possible could be connected with the post below.

CINCLANTFLT

Sully wrote: »

Fairly sure posts have always been moderated in that forum due to the nature of its purpose and setup...

Right... let's see if my post comes up... I guess then my feedback is that it should display a message like "your post is being reviewed" and not the attached which is what I am seeing...

CINCLANTFLT

Nody wrote: »

Nope; I get the message my post is premoderated (and the rest of the spiel) as it always has been in that forum which would point towards a problem at your end I'm afraid or possible could be connected with the post below.

PreModerated? Like yours goes straight in without a message or you get a message saying it is to be reviewed?

Nody

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Right... let's see if my post comes up... I guess then my feedback is that it should display a message like "your post is being reviewed" and not the attached which is what I am seeing...

It does as per attached.

D0NNELLY

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Right... let's see if my post comes up... I guess then my feedback is that it should display a message like "your post is being reviewed" and not the attached which is what I am seeing...

Yeah, it says that till one of the admins approves your post.

CINCLANTFLT

Nody wrote: »

It does as per attached.

Right, I'm seeing the attached

Nody

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Right, I'm seeing the attached

I think, but could be wrong, that the touch site is no longer supported. I think they are down to the normal + the mobile version or it's normal + touch I can't recall (or only normal). I always use the full site even on a mobile so I can't help on that but it'd guess it's the touch version of the site that's the issue either way.

The Hill Billy

Help Desk is pre-moderated. With the exception of the OP, a mod needs to approve posts before they appear.

CINCLANTFLT

The Hill Billy wrote: »

Help Desk is pre-moderated. With the exception of the OP, a mod needs to approve posts before they appear.

So why am I getting the attached error?

D0NNELLY

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

So why am I getting the attached error?

Because you're trying to view a post that isn't available to you.

CINCLANTFLT

D0NNELLY wrote: »

Because you're trying to view a post that isn't available to you.

So why don't I get an "access denied" error instead of a "page not found" error

BTW I have a ComSci degree so I do know a thing or two about systems failing gracefully... and I ain't seeing that here!

D0NNELLY

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

So why don't I get an "access denied" error instead of a "page not found" error

BTW I have a ComSci degree so I do know a thing or two about systems failing gracefully... and I ain't seeing that here!

It's not a failing, it's just how it's always been coded.

CINCLANTFLT

D0NNELLY wrote: »

It's not a failing, it's just how it's always been coded.

Way back when I wrote code we would never have a denied access to a resource come up with an error like that... I'm getting the feeling that whatever I saw here is going to be shot down :-(

dr.fuzzenstein

Nody wrote: »

I think, but could be wrong, that the touch site is no longer supported. I think they are down to the normal + the mobile version or it's normal + touch I can't recall (or only normal). I always use the full site even on a mobile so I can't help on that but it'd guess it's the touch version of the site that's the issue either way.

I'm posting this from the touch site.

Nody

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'm posting this from the touch site.

Posting from it does not mean it's supported; it's the same with several older skins that still work but have certain issues with for example the menu layout not being shown properly.

Anyway OP I think your original question has been answered; should we request to move the discussion to the development section instead to discuss the specific technical issue at hand?

CINCLANTFLT

Nody wrote: »

Posting from it does not mean it's supported; it's the same with several older skins that still work but have certain issues with for example the menu layout not being shown properly.

Anyway OP I think your original question has been answered; should we request to move the discussion to the development section instead to discuss the specific technical issue at hand?

Whatever keeps you guys happy... I doubt anyone so far has really cared or welcomed my input...

Zaph

I've posted about your issue in the Office thread in the admin forum so they'll see it when they're back in on Monday.

CINCLANTFLT

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Whatever keeps you guys happy... I doubt anyone so far has really cared or welcomed my input...

And the original thread already shut to new comments before anyone could reply to the final comments... I once helped design and build a very big financial supervision framework... we allowed institutions an opportunity to respond before a final set of findings were issued... I'd suggest you consider this and perhaps pass it onto Zapp or whatever was the name of the person who shut the thread down...

Btw... I really do this stuff for a living but on a vastly bigger setting!!!

Zaph

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

pass it onto Zapp or whatever was the name of the person who shut the thread down...

I posted immediately before you on this thread and you can't even get my name right? I'm disappointed.

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Btw... I really do this stuff for a living but on a vastly bigger setting!!!

What's that got to do with anything? Boards isn't a big company with reams of procedures to be followed, it's a community based discussion site that's essentially run by volunteers. We don't have a compliance department or regulators to satisfy, just a bunch of posters looking to have a chat about stuff. I explained on the Help Desk thread why your suggestion was unworkable here, and it's something we have explained many times to many people. You're not the first to suggest it and I doubt you'll be the last, and there's little point in us having to repeat ourselves ad infinitum.

Beasty

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Btw... I really do this stuff for a living but on a vastly bigger setting!!!

So what? I'm sure you're not the only one with experience in this area. "Vastly bigger setting" of course requires a very different control process. That's not appropriate for a site like Boards which is more a community than a business (I'm sure the owners would love to make a profit, but they allow the site to continue on the back of volunteers who it would be completely inappropriate to regulate in the way you seem to be suggesting)

CINCLANTFLT

I get it... I won't bother you again... I think that's the message here... would you ban me for a day while you at it just to give the full boards experience

liam7831

How do the owners pay for the domain etc ?

CINCLANTFLT

Beasty wrote: »

So what? I'm sure you're not the only one with experience in this area. "Vastly bigger setting" of course requires a very different control process. That's not appropriate for a site like Boards which is more a community than a business (I'm sure the owners would love to make a profit, but they allow the site to continue on the back of volunteers who it would be completely inappropriate to regulate in the way you seem to be suggesting)

Just trying to give some advice and establish my bona fides on the way... sorry that this offends you...

Zaph

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

I get it... I won't bother you again... I think that's the message here... would you ban me for a day while you at it just to give the full boards experience

Not unless you did something to warrant it. Sorry to disappoint you.

liam7831 wrote: »

How do the owners pay for the domain etc ?

No idea, that's something you'd have to ask them. However given that they have a number of other successful businesses, I'd imagine there's an element of Boards being subsidised by the profits being made elsewhere.

CINCLANTFLT

Zaph wrote: »

Not unless you did something to warrant it. Sorry to disappoint you.

I could try but it would spoil the evening...

Zaph

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

I could try but it would spoil the evening...

For me too, I don't like banning people unless they actually deserve it.

CINCLANTFLT

Zaph wrote: »

For me too, I don't like banning people unless they actually deserve it.

Thank you... you stay safe now.

liam7831

Zaph wrote: »

Not unless you did something to warrant it. Sorry to disappoint you.



No idea, that's something you'd have to ask them. However given that they have a number of other successful businesses, I'd imagine there's an element of Boards being subsidised by the profits being made elsewhere.

Hmmm I don't buy that, what happens to the advertising revenue? At this rate the boards owners look to be in line for sainthood

CINCLANTFLT

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

So why don't I get an "access denied" error instead of a "page not found" error

BTW I have a ComSci degree so I do know a thing or two about systems failing gracefully... and I ain't seeing that here!

Congrats...?

liam7831

liam7831 wrote: »

How do the owners pay for the domain etc ?

Domains aren't that expensive.. At least not as much as you'd think. If someone were to buy the boards.ie domain, then it would be more expensive. What would cost the most is servers/hosting.

CINCLANTFLT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Congrats...?

Sorry also for offending you... I know us elitist educated and experienced people are evil... would it make you feel better if I had no experience or education but told you want you want to hear?

On second thoughts I am not sorry, I am proud of my knowledge and experience... if yours is the same then congratulations to you as well, I think you should celebrate it. If not then try and learn... it's what I do when I realise I am the dumbest person in the room... I start with "why am I here" and then I try to learn

737max

Well I'm not happy. I asked a question. Took care to frame it so as it wasn't directed against any particular person and the Admin neither answered the question nor allowed anyone else to answer it by closing the thread...and then to top it off as a parting shot insinuated that I as the OP might be a malcontent.

Well yeah, that whistleblower; you know the problem with him...

"We're happy with the current procedure" is an answer worthy of a Central Bank Regulator or Minister of Finance in the days before the IMF roll in to town. That didn't answer the question but does speak volumes about how the operators of the forum treat those who question the impartiality of certain parts of the forum.

I'm logging off for now.

CINCLANTFLT

737max wrote: »

Well I'm not happy. I asked a question. Took care to frame it so as it wasn't directed against any particular person and the Admin neither answered the question nor allowed anyone else to answer it by closing the thread...and then to top it off as a parting shot insinuated that I as the OP might be a malcontent.

Well yeah, that whistleblower; you know the problem with him...

"We're happy with the current procedure" is an answer worthy of a Central Bank Regulator or Minister of Finance in the days before the IMF roll in to town. That didn't answer the question but does speak volumes about how the operators of the forum treat those who question the impartiality of certain parts of the forum.

I'm logging off for now.

Hear hear!

Zaph

liam7831 wrote: »

Hmmm I don't buy that, what happens to the advertising revenue? At this rate the boards owners look to be in line for sainthood

As I said, you'd have to ask them. The financial dealings of the company aren't something that the admins, as volunteers, are given any particular insight into. All I know is that Boards itself has never made a profit, but that's pretty much common knowledge.

abdulabduler

Zaph wrote: »

As I said, you'd have to ask them. The financial dealings of the company aren't something that the admins, as volunteers, are given any particular insight into. All I know is that Boards itself has never made a profit, but that's pretty much common knowledge.

Never made a profit so the advertising on the site goes to charity?

CINCLANTFLT

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Sorry also for offending you... I know us elitist educated and experienced people are evil... would it make you feel better if I had no experience or education but told you want you want to hear?

On second thoughts I am not sorry, I am proud of my knowledge and experience... if yours is the same then congratulations to you as well, I think you should celebrate it. If not then try and learn... it's what I do when I realise I am the dumbest person in the room... I start with "why am I here" and then I try to learn

Huh. I mean you've no idea how many degrees I have. In fact.. It might be more than you do. But, unlike you, I don't bring them up places it means nothing and is irrelevant to the topic at hand..

Ironically you're probably the dumbest in the room right now.

Zaph

abdulabduler wrote: »

Never made a profit so the advertising on the site goes to charity?

Not entirely sure how you make that particular leap of logic. There are staff in the office to be paid, rent, electricity, etc. If the company doesn't make a profit then clearly the advertising revenue doesn't fully cover these costs.

CINCLANTFLT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh. I mean you've no idea how many degrees I have. In fact.. It might be more than you do. But, unlike you, I don't bring them up places it means nothing and is irrelevant to the topic at hand..

Ironically you're probably the dumbest in the room right now.

Fair enough... again the agreesive tone to me hear speaks volumes... btw how many degrees do you have?

CINCLANTFLT

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

Fair enough... again the agreesive tone to me hear speaks volumes... btw how many degrees do you have?

Where did you hear an agreesive tone? I mean .. I'm not agreeing with you. Is that what you meant?

Zaph

Deleted User wrote: »

Ironically you're probably the dumbest in the room right now.

Let's try to keep things civil please.

CINCLANTFLT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where did you hear an agreesive tone? I mean .. I'm not agreeing with you. Is that what you meant?

You called me the dumbest guy in the room... that's just rude.

CINCLANTFLT

Zaph wrote: »

Let's try to keep things civil please.

Thank you

CINCLANTFLT

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

You called me the dumbest guy in the room... that's just rude.

I mean.. You're spending a lot of time and effort on a site you clearly dislike. Talking about how many degrees you have..

But Zaph's right. Civil it is.

hullaballoo

I have two cats.

Therefore I know all about how loooonnnngggg cats can be.

I can use this knowledge to make disparaging remarks about how others run their affairs.

CINCLANTFLT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I mean.. You're spending a lot of time and effort on a site you clearly dislike. Talking about how many degrees you have..

But Zaph's right. Civil it is.

I don't like a lot of things, but I work hard with them to make them work better... and again you with the degrees... this seems to be a sore point for you so I'll stop talking about it.

Civil is good, tell you what, you apologise and I will be happy to accept your apology. Fair enough?

CINCLANTFLT

hullaballoo wrote: »

I have two cats.

Therefore I know all about how loooonnnngggg cats can be.

I can use this knowledge to make disparaging remarks about how others run their affairs.

Quote: CINCLANTFLT
Sorry also for offending you... I know us elitist educated and experienced people are evil... would it make you feel better if I had no experience or education but told you want you want to hear?

On second thoughts I am not sorry, I am proud of my knowledge and experience... if yours is the same then congratulations to you as well, I think you should celebrate it. If not then try and learn...

CINCLANTFLT

hullaballoo wrote: »

I have two cats.

Therefore I know all about how loooonnnngggg cats can be.

I can use this knowledge to make disparaging remarks about how others run their affairs.

Also... are you a moderator?