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Applying for a online gambling licence

  • 30-03-2017 9:47am
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    Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭✭ Shanew14


    Hi all,

    I am applying for an online gambling license for my company set up in Ireland, I am just wondering, if approved does that give me jurisdiction to operate in other EU countries, specifically Ireland, Germany and Italy or is a license for each individual country required?

    If anyone has any knowledge on the whole licensing procedure that would be GREATLY appreciated :)


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,574 Mod ✭✭✭✭ TrueDub


    Shanew14 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I am applying for an online gambling license for my company set up in Ireland, I am just wondering, if approved does that give me jurisdiction to operate in other EU countries, specifically Ireland, Germany and Italy or is a license for each individual country required?

    If anyone has any knowledge on the whole licensing procedure that would be GREATLY appreciated :)

    Genuinely, you need to talk to a lawyer, not to a group of people in an online forum. If it's really for your company, it's simply a no-brainer to have proper legal answers that you can stand over. Anonymous opinions written here are simply conjecture.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭ 3DataModem


    TrueDub wrote: »
    Genuinely, you need to talk to a lawyer, not to a group of people in an online forum. If it's really for your company, it's simply a no-brainer to have proper legal answers that you can stand over. Anonymous opinions written here are simply conjecture.

    There isn't an Irish online gambling licence. All the operators providing services here have licences issued by other jurisdictions. Most common international licences are Isle of Man, Malta, Gibraltar.

    Source; work in the industry


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,666 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    3DataModem wrote: »
    There isn't an Irish online gambling licence. All the operators providing services here have licences issued by other jurisdictions. Most common international licences are Isle of Man, Malta, Gibraltar.

    Source; work in the industry

    Jersey


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭ 3DataModem


    listermint wrote: »
    Jersey

    Not really big on international licencees yet
    https://www.jgc.je/list-of-licensees

    Maybe you are thinking of Guernsey, who have a few operators under the Alderney licences.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,666 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    3DataModem wrote: »
    Not really big on international licencees yet
    https://www.jgc.je/list-of-licensees

    Maybe you are thinking of Guernsey, who have a few operators under the Alderney licences.

    That's the one always mix them up


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭ 3DataModem


    Shanew14 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    I am applying for an online gambling license for my company set up in Ireland, I am just wondering, if approved does that give me jurisdiction to operate in other EU countries, specifically Ireland, Germany and Italy or is a license for each individual country required?

    If anyone has any knowledge on the whole licensing procedure that would be GREATLY appreciated :)

    To answer another question; Italy requires its own license, and it's not cheap. There are operators established without licence but they find it hard to do business due to restrictions on advertisement, payments etc.

    Germany is even more complicated. One state issues some licences but there is no pan-German licence, although they don't block EU based operators.

    Ireland is pretty chill as long as you have a remote gaming licence from another jurisdiction.

    The big question is where the servers and staff have to be located.


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭✭ Shanew14


    3DataModem wrote: »
    To answer another question; Italy requires its own license, and it's not cheap. There are operators established without licence but they find it hard to do business due to restrictions on advertisement, payments etc.

    Germany is even more complicated. One state issues some licences but there is no pan-German licence, although they don't block EU based operators.

    Ireland is pretty chill as long as you have a remote gaming licence from another jurisdiction.

    The big question is where the servers and staff have to be located.

    Thats very helpful thank you. It will be setup and operated from Ireland, so if we get a license here can we operate in the other eu countries? or did I pick that up wrong


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭ 3DataModem


    Shanew14 wrote: »
    It will be setup and operated from Ireland

    In which case you need to think very carefully. There are pretty much no gaming companies with their servers here, even they might operate here. Foe example; Paddy Power has a Maltese licence and a UK licence (among others), and almost certainly does not have their servers in Ireland.
    Shanew14 wrote: »
    so if we get a license here

    Their is no Irish online gaming licence, it doesn't exist. The companies that offer services in Ireland have remote licences from other countries.
    Shanew14 wrote: »
    can we operate in the other eu countries?

    To operate in Italy, Spain, France or Portugal you need a local gaming licence. In all cases they are hard to get. In some cases they are impossible to get; for example there are no online casinos in France. To operate in other EU countries you generally only need an EU licence (UK or Malta might be enough) but the rules vary, and advertising rules vary, and tax varies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭ Division


    What services will your company offer?


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭✭ Shanew14


    3DataModem wrote: »
    In which case you need to think very carefully. There are pretty much no gaming companies with their servers here, even they might operate here. Foe example; Paddy Power has a Maltese licence and a UK licence (among others), and almost certainly does not have their servers in Ireland.



    Their is no Irish online gaming licence, it doesn't exist. The companies that offer services in Ireland have remote licences from other countries.



    To operate in Italy, Spain, France or Portugal you need a local gaming licence. In all cases they are hard to get. In some cases they are impossible to get; for example there are no online casinos in France. To operate in other EU countries you generally only need an EU licence (UK or Malta might be enough) but the rules vary, and advertising rules vary, and tax varies.

    Thank you very much for your help! Hugely appreciated. We do plan on getting proper legal advice, but I am trying to gather as much information myself as possible


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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭✭ Shanew14


    Division wrote: »
    What services will your company offer?

    Sports betting only


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Alistair Shrilling Surf


    Shanew14 wrote: »
    Sports betting only

    Couple of hundred million notes handy in reserve, for meeting any liabilities?


  • Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭ Division


    With all due respect you asked in another thread what to do about a guy in Pakistan who you gave basically your last €5k to design this website to and tried to do a runner.

    You're a recent college graduate with no business experience trying to enter one of the most competitive markets out there with no capital and no idea.

    Don't spend another euro on this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭ LionelNashe


    3DataModem wrote: »
    ..............


    To operate in Italy, Spain, France or Portugal you need a local gaming licence. In all cases they are hard to get. In some cases they are impossible to get; for example there are no online casinos in France. To operate in other EU countries you generally only need an EU licence (UK or Malta might be enough) but the rules vary, and advertising rules vary, and tax varies.

    Denmark also. And there are some countries where there's no local license and it's not advisable to operate under another EU license either: e.g. Belgium and the Netherlands. At least, I would say it's not advisable because the big operators who have legal departments and compliance professionals don't tend to do it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭✭ Shanew14


    Division wrote: »
    With all due respect you asked in another thread what to do about a guy in Pakistan who you gave basically your last €5k to design this website to and tried to do a runner.

    You're a recent college graduate with no business experience trying to enter one of the most competitive markets out there with no capital and no idea.

    Don't spend another euro on this.

    Id agree with you, if it was a standard runofthemill gambling website, however its not and I cannot discuss details at this time. I merely asked some questions, they were answered to my satisfaction, although your concern is appreciated!


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭✭ Shanew14


    Denmark also. And there are some countries where there's no local license and it's not advisable to operate under another EU license either: e.g. Belgium and the Netherlands. At least, I would say it's not advisable because the big operators who have legal departments and compliance professionals don't tend to do it.

    Thank you very much! Very helpful information indeed :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭ Division


    Shanew14 wrote: »
    Id agree with you, if it was a standard runofthemill gambling website, however its not and I cannot discuss details at this time. I merely asked some questions, they were answered to my satisfaction, although your concern is appreciated!

    If you're not trying to compete with the likes of Paddy Power and think you have found a suitable niche I wish you the best of luck. Many a successful entrepreneur was told in the early days they were mad.

    You may benefit from contacting Enterprise Ireland.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭ inforfun


    You can forget about doing business in The Netherlands.
    All gambling is state owned.
    Might change in the future but funny enough, they are not in a hurry for some reason.


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