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Overdoing it? Careful now [Irish Times]

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    #32
    Chivito550
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    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    I remember reading something (not sure it was a study, report or an article from an S&C coach) about triathletes and a study on the level of injuries they suffered and how a huge percentage of those could have been prevented by the right strength training. But that triathletes thought of training that wasn't swimming, running or cycling as a waste. I'd venture the same could be said of runners to some degree and in both cases not just for long term health but also short term.

    Yep. sprinters, throwers and jumpers see S&C as a key part of their training. A gym session is as important as a session on the track. Many non elite distance runners see it as "supplementary", as some kind of optional thing to do "if I can find time". The most common thing you hear is "I'm going to try make more of an effort with it going forward". Why is it such an effort in the first place? It's part of training. Is Mo Farah squatting for the pure hell of it?


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    #33
    walshb
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Yep. sprinters, throwers and jumpers see S&C as a key part of their training. A gym session is as important as a session on the track. Many non elite distance runners see it as "supplementary", as some kind of optional thing to do "if I can find time". The most common thing you hear is "I'm going to try make more of an effort with it going forward". Why is it such an effort in the first place? It's part of training. Is Mo Farah squatting for the pure hell of it?

    Well, Mo is a full time elite. Of course he will do these things. He racing for legacy. He has time. He's treated as a machine. Non elite people can only do so much. Many have full time jobs to think about.


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    #34
    ooter
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    JohnDozer wrote: »
    The part about not running more than 20
    miles per week? Agreed

    I remember reading an article with Gerard Hartmann before and he recommended only running 20 miles a week and 80% of that on grass.


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    #35
    Chivito550
    Registered Users Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    walshb wrote: »
    Well, Mo is a full time elite. Of course he will do these things. He racing for legacy. He has time. He's treated as a machine. Non elite people can only do so much. Many have full time jobs to think about.

    Of course. But honestly, how much effort is 20 minutes core work in front of the TV twice a week? If people can find time to do 20 mile runs, and run 6-7 days a week then it's fair to say they have plenty of time to do it if they were bothered.


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    #36
    DubOnHoliday
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Of course. But honestly, how much effort is 20 minutes core work in front of the TV twice a week? If people can find time to do 20 mile runs, and run 6-7 days a week then it's fair to say they have plenty of time to do it if they were bothered.

    Have to agree there. And I find the best time to fit that 20 minutes in is first thing in the morning. Get it done, and it becomes second nature after a while rather than a chore.


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    #37
    Alf Veedersane
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    walshb wrote: »
    Non elite people can only do so much. Many have full time jobs to think about.

    The problem is that they do not consider it necessary. Strength, mobility etc. are important components of many athletic pursuits but they're treated as optional extras.


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    #38
    walshb
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    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The problem is that they do not consider it necessary. Strength, mobility etc. are important components of many athletic pursuits but they're treated as optional extras.

    And for non elites maybe they should be treated as such....


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    #39
    Alf Veedersane
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    walshb wrote: »
    And for non elites maybe they should be treated as such....

    Yeah. Injury prevention is pointless when you're not elite.


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    Ayuntamiento
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    Some people have genetic abnormalities that predispose them to cardiac arrhtymias and strenuous exercise in that case is like pulling the trigger on a genetically loaded gun.
    Very difficult to know if this applies to you unless you have an obvious family history of sudden cardiac death or other structural/electrical cardiac disease.


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    #41
    Murph_D
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    See a good doctor, it says in the article. Case closed.


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    #42
    tang1
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    Murph_D wrote: »
    See a good doctor, it says in the article. Case closed.

    You just have to look in the mirror.


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    #43
    panda100
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    Unnecessary scaremongering article by The IT. It starts off the article stating our nations chronic obesity problem and then villifies one of the most effective ways to cure that epidemic.


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    #44
    Enduro
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    I wonder if the article is related to this : https://www.velopress.com/why-doctors-misdiagnose-heart-conditions-in-athletes/ That turned up this morning on a discussion list I follow. There's books to be bought! Spend your money quick!

    It strikes me as being a case of a man holding a hammer seeing a world of nails. There's a tendency amongst highly specialised medics to miss the bigger picture. Trauma surgeons advocating for mandatory bike helmet laws being a similar "can't see the wood from the trees" example. They are so engrossed in the issues appearing before them that they miss the bigger population level issues (sedentary lifestyles etc) that in reality are a much bigger cause of ill health and deaths.


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    #45
    davedanon
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    People have a ridiculous reverence for the opinions of medical professionals. People who treat certain conditions brought on by certain behaviours are automatically treated as epidemiological experts by radio hosts, when in fact you're listening to a severe case of confirmation bias. A doctor bangs on about all the cases of drug-induced psychosis he sees. Dur. Tens of thousands of contented stoners prove him/her wrong every weekend.

    A guy in my local gets drunk and tells me how his orthopaedic surgeon 'hates' people like me (marathon runners) because they're 'all he sees'. Well, no. 'All he sees' is fat bastards like you who need new hips because they drink too much, eat too much and don't exercise. But they're the wood. The marathon runners are the trees.


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    #46
    Ayuntamiento
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    Murph_D wrote: »
    See a good doctor, it says in the article. Case closed.

    Very difficult to get an appointment in the clinics that specialise in diagnosing conditions that predispose towards sudden cardiac death.
    There are only 2 such clinics operating in Ireland and they only see families who have already had a case of sudden cardiac death in a relative.
    Thanks for your input though.


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    #47
    Murph_D
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    Ayuntamiento wrote: »
    Very difficult to get an appointment in the clinics that specialise in diagnosing conditions that predispose towards sudden cardiac death.
    There are only 2 such clinics operating in Ireland and they only see families who have already had a case of sudden cardiac death in a relative.
    Thanks for your input though.

    My original comment was referring to a line in the article. I think any runner who has doubts or fears about these issues should get checked out medically, that's all. And obviously by "a good doctor" I mean one who is (a) appropriately specialised, and (b) not the kind of deluded quack described in davedanon's post above. :rolleyes:

    Hopefully you'll get to see the right person for you eventually! The cardiologist I go to has experience in this area (and afaik is attached to one of the clinics you are referring to). PM me if you'd like details about how to see her privately.


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