Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

magicbastarder

Where in booterstown? Rock road?

Yeah, at the junction with the DART station, heading towards town.

Annie get your Run

One yesterday and one today, in the exact same spot on the quays (below). I'm in the bike lane and am going straight, the cars want to go left at the lights ahead. Yesterday a woman cut right across me and had I not braked I was toast, of course the lights were red and there was a long line of cars and her window was open so we had a 'chat'. Same conversation as yer man last week 'I had my indicator on' she whined, I reiterated that her indicator does not give her the right of way, she then said 'I didn't know you were going to move out' I said I didn't move out, I stayed in the bike lane which as you can see goes straight on, eventually she apologised and I asked her to be more careful in future. This morning it was a guy, I was on my guard but he came from behind me and as he drew level he started to move over on top of me, I let a roar and another cyclist said something to him as well but he wouldn't roll down his window and he just gesticulated at me to go away.

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Time to remind drivers that their indicators are not some sort of super power that allows them to go where the hell they want never mind who's already in the road :mad: This morning's one really gave me a fright, even though I was watching for it there was a split second where I thought OMG it's gonna happen.

CramCycle

Forgot last night about an audi 4x4/car hybrid pulled out in front of me and another guy. We had been tipping along nicely together coming past the cemetery in Shankhill. He went ahead to take a turn, and we are cruising along without much effort at about 40kmph+. I checked my shoulder and moved out to overtake when the car pulled out. He slowed and swerved left, I hauled on and skidded upto the rear of the car. I let a roar and she just gave this condescending wave of "f*ck of plebs". This actually wound me up more than the stupid maneuver (poor priorities) but I just could not be arsed, no good would have come from the conversation.

check_six

CramCycle wrote: »

I let a roar and she just gave this condescending wave of "f*ck of plebs". This actually wound me up more than the stupid maneuver (poor priorities) but I just could not be arsed, no good would have come from the conversation.

I've had this very same wave accompanied by a facepull that you might expect from a schoolchild saying "duhhh!" from a couple of people taking shockingly inconsiderate right hooks across my path in the last couple of weeks.

(The crushing predictability of these awful manoeuvres prevents me from categorising them as 'near misses', as I was jamming on in advance of the stupidity and had probably a full metre between me and their front bumper when we were both ended up stopped staring at each other in the junction.)

Curiously, they were both Audi driving ladies. Some stats whizz will put my mind at rest regarding correlation, causation, and just plain coincidence, I'm sure.

shootermacg

Just witnessed my first muppet on a bike today. Some pedestrian was walking on the yellow lines in a world of his own. Muppet on a fixie was not going all that fast, decided to cal out dude 3 times before deciding to cycle straight into him. Bit of a shouting match, before muppet on bike headed off.

There were no cars around, so he could have easily just cycled around him.
He could easily have stopped, he had plenty, plenty of time.

The pedestrian got a nice enough little bang absolutely no need for it. I myself often shout at pedestrians who are stuck in their phones etc when crossing the road, but I wouldn't ever cycle into them to prove a point.

So the ratio of muppets on foot, bikes and cars is more or less the same.
The only difference really is in the potential to do damage. It would be nice if we could stop this whole them vs us narrative and just focus on the duty of care.

ED E

Cycle courier perhaps? A few have significant attitude issues.



We all see this stirring up controversy?

amcalester

Are those cyclists are all in a left turning lane but traveling straight on, up the inside of an artic lorry?

Seems a bit dangerous.

Danbo!

ED E wrote: »

Cycle courier perhaps? A few have significant attitude issues.

We all see this stirring up controversy?

Saw it posted on reddit a few days back, most comments in support of the driver which I'd be inclined to agree with. The counter argument was basically "This is the way things work in London". You can see the driver hesitates and doesn't accelerate until he sees what he thinks is the last cyclist to clear the cab. Must be stressful driving one of those yokes around with the volume of cyclists in London.

Aside from the argument of who is to blame, that cyclist is unbelievably lucky to have stayed upright the way he did. Could have very easily ended up under the wheels.

Pinch Flat

Annie get your Run wrote: »

One yesterday and one today, in the exact same spot on the quays (below). I'm in the bike lane and am going straight, the cars want to go left at the lights ahead. Yesterday a woman cut right across me and had I not braked I was toast, of course the lights were red and there was a long line of cars and her window was open so we had a 'chat'. Same conversation as yer man last week 'I had my indicator on' she whined, I reiterated that her indicator does not give her the right of way, she then said 'I didn't know you were going to move out' I said I didn't move out, I stayed in the bike lane which as you can see goes straight on, eventually she apologised and I asked her to be more careful in future. This morning it was a guy, I was on my guard but he came from behind me and as he drew level he started to move over on top of me, I let a roar and another cyclist said something to him as well but he wouldn't roll down his window and he just gesticulated at me to go away.


Time to remind drivers that their indicators are not some sort of super power that allows them to go where the hell they want never mind who's already in the road :mad: This morning's one really gave me a fright, even though I was watching for it there was a split second where I thought OMG it's gonna happen.

That's on my daily commute - I stay center lane there and ignore the cycle lane ever since some ignoramus overtook me, then cut in left nearly taking me off the bike to get to the red light heading to Blackhall place. Apparently, it's up to me to look out for my safety (according to him), so I have. Annoyed a few drivers mind, but feck them.

Lemming

I'm of two minds on that video. Cyclists shouldn't have done that. I assume most did that because it looks like there was either no ASL or the truck was so far over that the cyclists couldn't get in front, on top of there being so many of them. Or they were all just cheeky muppets. Still not right in any case.

Now, that said and done .... a) the truck driver looked on a mission to accelerate to cut them off as quick as he could, so he knew there were cyclists there, and b) several of them passed in front of him before the road narrowed so again he would have been aware of what was going on. So he did what he did to make a point and was acting the b*llocks himself. Legally right, but from both a moral & road-safety point of view he was so out of line as to be circular.

mr spuckler

Lemming wrote: »

I'm of two minds on that video. Cyclists shouldn't have done that. I assume most did that because it looks like there was either no ASL or the truck was so far over that the cyclists couldn't get in front, on top of there being so many of them. Or they were all just cheeky muppets. Still not right in any case.

Now, that said and done .... a) the truck driver looked on a mission to accelerate to cut them off as quick as he could, so he knew there were cyclists there, and b) several of them passed in front of him before the road narrowed so again he would have been aware of what was going on. So he did what he did to make a point and was acting the b*llocks himself. Legally right, but from both a moral & road-safety point of view he was so out of line as to be circular.

it's really hard to say though, we've no idea how bad the blind spots are on the truck...which leads on to why are trucks with such massive blind spots allowed on city streets but that of course is a separate issue.

there was no ASL according to the video. the cyclists were all cycling up the inside of a truck in a lane that no longer existed. he seemed to really hesitate at first before then accelerating, to me it looks like he just couldn't see the dude in red, which brings us back to my first point!

Tomred13

"Cycle courier perhaps? A few have significant attitude issues."

Ahh ED....
why not spend all day in dublin traffic and then you will see what we have to contend with...
As a former fultime bike courier for 5 years, you would lose count of how many times you almost get taken out of it by trucks, taxis, peds, n other cyclists in an average day. Your out on your bike from 8.30 am to 6.30 pm all day in wind rain sleet or snow under time constraints to get to your next pickup or drop off. thats 10hours continous cycling in traffic. You end up getting pretty assertive with foolish behavour on the parts of others. ive had work colleagues killed by dangerous drivers over the years. Its one of the toughest and dangerous jobs you could do.

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papu

ED E wrote: »

Cycle courier perhaps? A few have significant attitude issues.



We all see this stirring up controversy?

That is silly from the cyclists, the truck driver is right, cycling up the inside of an Arctic like that is asking for a darwin award.

ED E

papu wrote: »

That is silly from the cyclists, the truck driver is right, cycling up the inside of an Arctic like that is asking for a darwin award.

I dont agree at all.

He wasn't undertaking the truck, he was parallel and when the truck hit him he was ahead. Probably poor road craft but if I was holding the gavel Id be puttin 100% blame on the trucker.

Remember its SOP for cyclists to have straight through rights along with buses and taxis on left only lanes. Thats how our cycle infrastructure is designed. London is full of CSs that do that but usually with a "head start" light for the cyclists.

The fact that there were enough cyclists to block access to the ASZ screams add more infrastructure.

Daroxtar

shootermacg wrote: »

Just witnessed my first muppet on a bike today. Some pedestrian was walking on the yellow lines in a world of his own. Muppet on a fixie was not going all that fast, decided to cal out dude 3 times before deciding to cycle straight into him. Bit of a shouting match, before muppet on bike headed off.

There were no cars around, so he could have easily just cycled around him.
He could easily have stopped, he had plenty, plenty of time.

The pedestrian got a nice enough little bang absolutely no need for it. I myself often shout at pedestrians who are stuck in their phones etc when crossing the road, but I wouldn't ever cycle into them to prove a point.

So the ratio of muppets on foot, bikes and cars is more or less the same.
The only difference really is in the potential to do damage. It would be nice if we could stop this whole them vs us narrative and just focus on the duty of care.

That's assault, plain and simple. If he was walking up the street and called someone then just shouldered them out of the way he'd be lucky not to end up in court. Absolute scumbag tbh

amcalester

ED E wrote: »

I dont agree at all.

He wasn't undertaking the truck, he was parallel and when the truck hit him he was ahead. Probably poor road craft but if I was holding the gavel Id be puttin 100% blame on the trucker.

Remember its SOP for cyclists to have straight through rights along with buses and taxis on left only lanes. Thats how our cycle infrastructure is designed. London is full of CSs that do that but usually with a "head start" light for the cyclists.

The fact that there were enough cyclists to block access to the ASZ screams add more infrastructure.

It was a left turn only lane not a left turn except cycles and buses. The cyclist was 100% in the wrong.

seamus

mr spuckler wrote: »

i say that because it worries me that if it took me so long to reach this conclusion then what hope do we have for people who pretty much see driving as a civil right?

Automated vehicles are going to absolutely annihilate this way of thinking.

Within a generation, private vehicle ownership will plummet to a minority and people living in urban and suburban zones will realise it makes no sense to own a vehicle so that it can sit outside waiting for them 95% of the time.

RayCun

papu wrote: »

That is silly from the cyclists, the truck driver is right, cycling up the inside of an Arctic like that is asking for a darwin award.

You'd hope a truck driver might realise that if there were some cyclists he could see in the lane beside him, there might be some more he couldn't see.

But betting your life on what a truck driver might realise :rolleyes:

seamus

RayCun wrote: »

You'd hope a truck driver might realise that if there were some cyclists he could see in the lane beside him, there might be some more he couldn't see.

But betting your life on what a truck driver might realise :rolleyes:

Clearly everyone there was hoping that everyone else was paying attention. The cyclist who got hit made no attempt to check if it was safe to move right before moving right. Even though he knew a truck was there. The truck driver knew the bikes were there but presumed none of them were dumb enough to go up his inside.

The reason they're all shouting is because they all just got scared sh1tless. I have the most sympathy for the truck driver. For a brief second there he thought he just killed someone. In his position I'd be shouting too.

Camera guy defence of their behaviour is terrifying though. Apparently going up the left-hand side of a truck is OK because "This is London". If you cycle under the assumption that others are watching out for you, you're going to come a cropper sooner rather than later.

shootermacg

Looks to me like the driver actually meant that. Regardless, it was a bad move by the cyclist, but that driver must have been aware of it.

RayCun

seamus wrote: »

If you cycle under the assumption that others are watching out for you, you're going to come a cropper sooner rather than later.

I remember an Australian driving ad with the implicit message that people get away with bad driving because other people are paying attention and compensate.
But inevitably two bad/inattentive drivers will meet, and you get an accident.

It's scary how many cyclists you see relying on other people to pay attention...

ThisRegard

I'm tending to agree with the artic driver in this.

axer

Annie get your Run wrote: »

One yesterday and one today, in the exact same spot on the quays (below). I'm in the bike lane and am going straight, the cars want to go left at the lights ahead. Yesterday a woman cut right across me and had I not braked I was toast, of course the lights were red and there was a long line of cars and her window was open so we had a 'chat'. Same conversation as yer man last week 'I had my indicator on' she whined, I reiterated that her indicator does not give her the right of way, she then said 'I didn't know you were going to move out' I said I didn't move out, I stayed in the bike lane which as you can see goes straight on, eventually she apologised and I asked her to be more careful in future. This morning it was a guy, I was on my guard but he came from behind me and as he drew level he started to move over on top of me, I let a roar and another cyclist said something to him as well but he wouldn't roll down his window and he just gesticulated at me to go away.

Time to remind drivers that their indicators are not some sort of super power that allows them to go where the hell they want never mind who's already in the road :mad: This morning's one really gave me a fright, even though I was watching for it there was a split second where I thought OMG it's gonna happen.

I cycle that road everyday. Never assume you will be given right of way by continuing on straight on that cycle track. It is a very dangerous design. I look at the traffic beside me and indicate right with my arm to show I am staying on the cycle track part going forward and never pass the part where the track splits while at the side of a motor vehicle - slow down and or speed up before hand to so that you are ahead of vehicles or can see their left indicator or that they are starting to move left. Assuming that cars will know you are going straight on and that you won't be sticking to the edge of the road will get you injured or result in plenty of near misses.

Roadhawk

RayCun wrote: »

It's scary how many cyclists you see relying on other people to pay attention...

I completely agree. You need to have your eyes open no matter what your mode of transport is.

Pinch Flat

Cyclists 100% incorrect. Cycling up the inside of the blind spot of a 40 tonne truck from the left only lane to trying to outrun him and nearly getting crushed is not the brightest of moves. Still see so many cyclists doing this daily.

Annie get your Run

axer wrote: »

I cycle that road everyday. Never assume you will be given right of way by continuing on straight on that cycle track. It is a very dangerous design. I look at the traffic beside me and indicate right with my arm to show I am staying on the cycle track part going forward and never pass the part where the track splits while at the side of a motor vehicle - slow down and or speed up before hand to so that you are ahead of vehicles or can see their left indicator or that they are starting to move left. Assuming that cars will know you are going straight on and that you won't be sticking to the edge of the road will get you injured or result in plenty of near misses.

I wasn't assuming anything, hence I wasn't hit. I always pay attention there (and everywhere) I hate that part of the road, just pissed me off that two days in a row the 'reason' given by the drivers was that they were indicating and therefore had full rights to pull across my path.

I remember an Australian driving ad with the implicit message that people get away with bad driving because other people are paying attention and compensate.
But inevitably two bad/inattentive drivers will meet, and you get an accident.

Totally agree with this. Always assume everyone on the road around you will not do the right thing.

AndrewJRenko

shootermacg wrote: »

Looks to me like the driver actually meant that. Regardless, it was a bad move by the cyclist, but that driver must have been aware of it.

I agree - based on his reaction afterwards, it looked to me like the driver knew exactly what he was doing.

buffalo

seamus wrote: »

The reason they're all shouting is because they all just got scared sh1tless. I have the most sympathy for the truck driver. For a brief second there he thought he just killed someone. In his position I'd be shouting too.

I'm not sure I have sympathy for any of them, but least of all the truck driver*. The cyclist was a complete idiot to go up the inside of a truck, but he was only going to get himself killed. The truck driver ploughed on and was lucky not to kill someone else. It's obvious he was aware there were cyclists on his inside, but didn't do much to avoid running one over. That doesn't deserve any sympathy.

*maybe the guy with the camera? Comes in swinging for a cyclists vs motorists fight no matter what the nuance.

I love Sean nos

check_six wrote: »

I got a taxi recently where the driver didn't move his head from a laser gaze out the front windscreen for the whole journey. :eek:

Professional driver...LOL. :pac: