Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Chiparus

mr spuckler wrote: »

jesus that's brutal. have you reported it?

I emailed the bus company and await their response.

schemingbohemia

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Now waiting since last Wednesday since my call to Trafficwatch for a call from a Garda. Is this typical?

I waited for weeks before I received a call back.

Type 17

Deedsie wrote: »

Nutley lane to Nutley Park Southbound is without a doubt the worst section of cycle track in Dublin City Council area if not in the entire country. It is shamefully bad.

The N11 "cycle-drain" :rolleyes:

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

What the...*sigh* Such a silly manoeuvre on your part. You put yourself in that dangerous situation.

Chiparus wrote: »

This morning I had a driver that tried to overtake me coming to a roundabout. then swerved in front of me, then got upset when I still managed to be in front of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0KcXKKVQrU

Chiparus

Emmet Chubby Memory wrote: »

What the...*sigh* Such a silly manoeuvre on your part. You put yourself in that dangerous situation.

I was coming to the junction , the driver tried to overtake me, could not complete the overtake, but cut across me all the same then got upset when i continued on my way.
They would not have tried that manoeuvre if I as driving one of my cars.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

I agree the driver was at fault for not trying to over take you so close to a roundabout. However you must have seen what the driver was doing/going to do and yet you continued to squeeze along the left side of the car. A silly move IMHO.

Chiparus wrote: »

I was coming to the junction , the driver tried to overtake me, could not complete the overtake, but cut across me all the same then got upset when i continued on my way.
They would not have tried that manoeuvre if I as driving one of my cars.

Chiparus

Emmet Chubby Memory wrote: »

I agree the driver was at fault for not trying to over take you so close to a roundabout. However you must have seen what the driver was doing/going to do and yet you continued to squeeze along the left side of the car. A silly move IMHO.

I suppose you are right , when I am a cyclist, I should not get in the way.

The driver was annoyed as they could not completely cut me off. Hence the beep.

LpPepper

I was out earlier for a shortish spin given that the weather was staying pretty decent. For the most part drivers of all kinds were being patient and giving me decent space when overtaking...then came along this guy...

He made no attempt to overtake safely and it felt like he swerved back in quite swiftly towards me - the video does seem to show this. Pissed me off. Going to send it to the company and see what they think of their driver's expert skills.

CramCycle

On a more positive note, and therefore off topic. I rolled upto a white van man with his windows down in stalled traffic. I just wanted to check was I heading the right way. He was not from around here but we chatted for a few minutes, which ended in him regaling me with a classic Wexford song as gaeilge. Just really lifted my spirits, how nice we can be in heavy traffic with such little effort.

plodder

Also on a positive note, kudos to the Dublin bus driver on Griffith Ave this morning who slowed down and waited to let me pass a car parked in the cycle lane. He had just let a couple of cars exit the school, so was obviously feeling well disposed towards fellow man. Either way, it was appreciated.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

plodder wrote: »

Also on a positive note, kudos to the Dublin bus driver on Griffith Ave this morning who slowed down and waited to let me pass a car parked in the cycle lane. He had just let a couple of cars exit the school, so was obviously feeling well disposed towards fellow man. Either way, it was appreciated.

It's gotten to a stage were we thank behavior from motorists which should be the norm. That's really upsetting.

plodder

Charli Loose Snowball wrote: »

It's gotten to a stage were we thank behavior from motorists which should be the norm. That's really upsetting.

In this case, he would have been within his rights to keep going because I was along side him/undertaking and I would have waited until he passed the car. Probably should have made that more clear.

BoardsMember

Charli Loose Snowball wrote: »

It's gotten to a stage were we thank behavior from motorists which should be the norm. That's really upsetting.

That's one way of looking at it. Another is that the thread is mostly negative reports of bad driver behaviour towards cyclists, so posting an occasional positive report is welcome.

It doesn't mean that these are the only positive acts towards cyclists every day, nor does is mean that the norm is that drivers generally behave badly towards cyclists. Statistically, this could very well be a record of the exception rather than the norm.

Put it this way, if you listened to Joe Duffy all your life you might form the opinion that the world is a dark and miserable place where all people do is moan and have bad experiences. That's not my experience of the world.

Annie get your Run

Charli Loose Snowball wrote: »

It's gotten to a stage were we thank behavior from motorists which should be the norm. That's really upsetting.

Positive reinforcement!
Reinforcers: Responses from the environment that increase the probability of a behavior being repeated. Reinforcers can be either positive or negative.

cjt156

Annie get your Run wrote: »

Positive reinforcement!
Reinforcers: Responses from the environment that increase the probability of a behavior being repeated. Reinforcers can be either positive or negative.

I don't commute by bike, I spend my time in the saddle in the hills of Dublin and Wicklow. I try to make a point of giving a little wave when someone holds back to overtake safely.
Meant as a 'Sorry I kept you, thanks for waiting' to the driver.

I suppose I'm hoping to create a little bubble of good karma around me as I search in vain for a lower gear..

BoardsMember

cjt156 wrote: »

I don't commute by bike, I spend my time in the saddle in the hills of Dublin and Wicklow. I try to make a point of giving a little wave when someone holds back to overtake safely.
Meant as a 'Sorry I kept you, thanks for waiting' to the driver.

I suppose I'm hoping to create a little bubble of good karma around me as I search in vain for a lower gear..

I do the same, both in the hills and around the city. It makes everyone feel better, and I feel that it helps break down the stereotype of Us v's Them, and helps drivers see cyclists as decent human beings, rather than the enemy.

Annie get your Run

cjt156 wrote: »

I don't commute by bike, I spend my time in the saddle in the hills of Dublin and Wicklow. I try to make a point of giving a little wave when someone holds back to overtake safely.
Meant as a 'Sorry I kept you, thanks for waiting' to the driver.

I suppose I'm hoping to create a little bubble of good karma around me as I search in vain for a lower gear..

BoardsMember wrote: »

I do the same, both in the hills and around the city. It makes everyone feel better, and I feel that it helps break down the stereotype of Us v's Them, and helps drivers see cyclists as decent human beings, rather than the enemy.

Yep likewise, this morning a driver stayed behind me on the r149 until we reached the roundabout - unheard of (even though it's a blind bend with solid white line). I turned around and saluted him as we came onto a two lane roundabout and he was finally able to pass me in safety (I did speed up on the road so as not to delay him too long). And again a woman driver stayed behind me on the ramps coming through Rosedale until we all got to the lights, I waved her past at that point and thanked her. Actually, thinking about it, I had a lovely cycle in this morning!

Alanstrainor

BoardsMember wrote: »

I do the same, both in the hills and around the city. It makes everyone feel better, and I feel that it helps break down the stereotype of Us v's Them, and helps drivers see cyclists as decent human beings, rather than the enemy.

Yes absolutely, I try and thank people for being patient with a thumbs up when they pass if I can. Obviously not always, but I do think it is a good way to reinforce good practise.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

cjt156 wrote: »

'Sorry I kept you, thanks for waiting' to the driver.

This is the part I don't agree with, and it reinforces the incorrect view motorists have of cyclists, we are doing something wrong and we apologize. I do thank other road users, but only when they do something extraordinary.

We are not holding anybody up, everybody else is just using the wrong mode of transport :pac:

marvin80

cjt156 wrote: »

I don't commute by bike, I spend my time in the saddle in the hills of Dublin and Wicklow. I try to make a point of giving a little wave when someone holds back to overtake safely.
Meant as a 'Sorry I kept you, thanks for waiting' to the driver.

I suppose I'm hoping to create a little bubble of good karma around me as I search in vain for a lower gear..

I do the same but when going through small villages - as you enter some villages there's traffic islands for 200m or so - some cars like to come into the village at speed and attempt to squeeze past.
I'm very appreciative when motorists hold back and then overtake safely so I give a quick salute.
I find truck drivers tend to appreciate the gesture a lot.

homer911

cjt156 wrote: »

I don't commute by bike, I spend my time in the saddle in the hills of Dublin and Wicklow. I try to make a point of giving a little wave when someone holds back to overtake safely.
Meant as a 'Sorry I kept you, thanks for waiting' to the driver.

I suppose I'm hoping to create a little bubble of good karma around me as I search in vain for a lower gear..

I've done the same when I'm coming to a left turn and a car has passed me and is turning left, but gives me time to go on through ahead of them

Chuchote

I mostly wave thanks, but the drivers don't seem to see; they go on staring bleakly ahead.

I could count on the fingers of a one-armed man how many times drivers have given me the standard flish-flash of thanks from their hazards that they would to another driver.

Danbo!

Charli Loose Snowball wrote: »

It's gotten to a stage were we thank behavior from motorists which should be the norm. That's really upsetting.

True - but one thing I've noticed is that a lot of drivers wouldn't consider passing a cyclist as an actual overtaking manoeuvre. They just see it as passing by a cyclist, like they would a parked car or anything else. So when a cyclist needs to go around a parked car, it's a narrow road, or are taking a lane, to some motorists they're just an obstruction in the road, not another road user. I've noticed this in traffic when I'm matching the speed of the car in front, maybe even riding the brakes a little, cars behind still try and nose around. It's not necessarily malicious or anything, stupid yes, they just don't consider cyclists as part of the traffic.

So yes, thanking people for how they should behave is a pain in the bollox, and to be honest I'm not sure how good it is in the long run. Admittedly, I do it frequently, because maybe it'll help them be a little more patient in the future. But they shouldn't need patience, they should just understand we're another road user, like the hundreds of cars also in front of them. Alas, that may be too idyllic unfortunately.

Chuchote

Danbo! wrote: »

So yes, thanking people for how they should behave is a pain in the bollox, and to be honest I'm not sure how good it is in the long run.

I think it's good, because it reminds them that people on bikes are people, not bits of infrastructure. Every time a driver's and a cyclist's eyes meet a wee angel is born

CramCycle

Danbo! wrote: »

I've noticed this in traffic when I'm matching the speed of the car in front, maybe even riding the brakes a little, cars behind still try and nose around. It's not necessarily malicious or anything, stupid yes, they just don't consider cyclists as part of the traffic.

This gets my goat. I am matching traffic speed. The space in front of me is for braking, like a good driver would leave, it is not for an overtake maneuver you silly twunt.

De Bhál

CramCycle wrote: »

This gets my goat. I am matching traffic speed. The space in front of me is for braking, like a good driver would leave, it is not for an overtake maneuver you silly twunt.

Same as when your driving on a motorway, you leave a gap for braking between you and the car in front. Person behind you thinks 'what's this slow twat at'. Next thing you know is they're overtaking you to get into that gap. You then move back to leave a gap from then and the next person behind jumps in there.
Due to this happening you may never actually reach your destination and end up back where you started

Arcade_Tryer

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Didn't think of that. It's a good idea.

I always flash when there is a potential hazardous situation facing oncoming drivers, for example a slow moving vehicle such as a tractor, or an obstacle in the road like a rock or rubbish.

It probably comes from the process of flashing drivers about speed vans which many will disagree with. But for the situations outlined above I think it's good practice.

Kaisr Sose

De Bhál wrote: »

Due to this happening you may never actually reach your destination and end up back where you started

As I was reading, that's exactly what I was thinking!

Fully agree with you, and then there are those that won't join the exit lane early and try and duck into your safe buffer zone at full gas rather than go behind like everybody else.0

cython

One this morning that I seriously wish I had a camera for. Heading towards the park along here when a car decides to overtake me and the car behind me with a car coming against us. He had already beeped from where he was so half expected it, but giving him the benefit of the doubt that he hadn't seen the oncoming car, I put a hand out to suggest backing off. Zero f*cks given, and continued on against the car, that I'm reasonably sure had to brake.

Of course he got very far out of his dodgy manoeuvre - I caught up with him at the next lights :rolleyes: Kinda gave him a quizzical shrug/WTF look as I rolled by only for him to roll down the window shouting and roaring about not being able to wait behind me all day. He did not take kindly to my pointing out he was still/once again behind me in spite of the overtake......

Danjamin1

cython wrote: »

One this morning that I seriously wish I had a camera for. Heading towards the park along here when a car decides to overtake me and the car behind me with a car coming against us. He had already beeped from where he was so half expected it, but giving him the benefit of the doubt that he hadn't seen the oncoming car, I put a hand out to suggest backing off. Zero f*cks given, and continued on against the car, that I'm reasonably sure had to brake.

Of course he got very far out of his dodgy manoeuvre - I caught up with him at the next lights :rolleyes: Kinda gave him a quizzical shrug/WTF look as I rolled by only for him to roll down the window shouting and roaring about not being able to wait behind me all day. He did not take kindly to my pointing out he was still/once again behind me in spite of the overtake......

A*sholes like that will never see sense, had someone honk at me coming through Kimmage for having the cheek to indicate that I was pulling out to the right to avoid a puddle in plenty of time. There was ample room and I swear they sped up once I pulled out. Passed them out at the next lights. I was tempted to go over to them but thought what's the point, a prick like that can't be reasoned with.