Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Tombo2001

The good old 'I'm a cyclist myself' disclaimer out of the way early.......

site_owner

jesus, we're now online vigilantes and need to be looked at seriously

Tombo2001

Vigilantism - wow......that's fairly strong.

Tombo2001

has this argument ever been applied to any other individual that makes an offence public......

site_owner

no one ever cared about this at all. gardai have done a great job of changing the conversation totally.

magicbastarder

let's say that the legal eagle was correct - for the person uploading the content to be taken to task over it, does the person depicted have to be the one to do so? or can another agency make a complaint about it?

TheJak01

The media law woman hit the nail on the head there at one point though. Completely regardless of the rights and wrongs of posting the images on social media, the simple fact is that if the Gardai showed even a smidgen of interest in reports made to them, and people had confidence that reports would be followed up, we'd never have this issue. If there was some enforcement nobody would ever feel the need to put these videos online in the first place.

Tombo2001

magicbastarder wrote: »

let's say that the legal eagle was correct - for the person uploading the content to be taken to task over it, does the person depicted have to be the one to do so? or can another agency make a complaint about it?

Did she ever say it was illegal?

The words she used was the cyclist 'ought to'......go directly to the Gardaí with it.....

Type 17

TheJak01 wrote: »

...the simple fact is that if the Gardai showed even a smidgen of interest in reports made to them, and people had confidence that reports would be followed up, we'd never have this issue. If there was some enforcement nobody would ever feel the need to put these videos online in the first place.

...and if there was any decent enforcement of all road-users' behaviour in general (never mind enforcement/follow-up of cyclists' videos), these videos would never be generated in the first place, as people would be in the habit of driving properly.

Enforcement is key to overall driver behaviour - I lived and drove extensively in the UK in the 90's, and driving standards were mostly very good - people were patient and obeyed the rules, even if mistakes were still noticeable (in conversation, people's biggest gripe was actually the trivial matter of not being thanked after they let someone out). Given the hollowing out of the Police services around the UK in the last decade, and the drop in enforcement, there is, (apart from the usual mistakes and inattention) a whole new layer of arrogance, impatience and selfishness that wasn't there before. Anyone who has driven in the UK in decades past should look at a few "UK bad driving" YouTube channels, and you'll commonly see people skipping queues by driving up the footpath, overtaking on the hard shoulder of the motorway, brake-checking HGV's and other madness which just didn't happen before.
In Ireland, as enforcement (and behavioural standards) dropped similarly with cutbacks, we now see the results with MGIF* driver behaviour everywhere.

*Must Get In Front

schemingbohemia

Type 17 wrote: »

...and if there was any decent enforcement of all road-users' behaviour in general (never mind enforcement/follow-up of cyclists' videos), these videos would never be generated in the first place, as people would be in the habit of driving properly.

Enforcement is key to overall driver behaviour - I lived and drove extensively in the UK in the 90's, and driving standards were mostly very good - people were patient and obeyed the rules, even if mistakes were still noticeable (in conversation, people's biggest gripe was actually the trivial matter of not being thanked after they let someone out). Given the hollowing out of the Police services around the UK in the last decade, and the drop in enforcement, there is, (apart from the usual mistakes and inattention) a whole new layer of arrogance, impatience and selfishness that wasn't there before. Anyone who has driven in the UK in decades past should look at a few "UK bad driving" YouTube channels, and you'll commonly see people skipping queues by driving up the footpath, overtaking on the hard shoulder of the motorway, brake-checking HGV's and other madness which just didn't happen before.
In Ireland, as enforcement (and behavioural standards) dropped similarly with cutbacks, we now see the results with MGIF* driver behaviour everywhere.

*Must Get In Front

At least the UK have a decent number of red light traffic cameras and a more widespread use of speed cameras. I ended up laughing yesterday at the number of red-light breakers in motor vehicles yesterday, a Sunday with no real levels of traffic saw over a dozen of them in a 20 minute drive, and some of these were really really late, like green light for pedestrians or other direction.

Type 17

We don't need red light cameras - only cyclists break red lights here :pac:

Seth Brundle

Type 17 wrote: »

We don't need red light cameras - only cyclists break red lights here :pac:

We therefore need registration plates for bicycles!

Corca Baiscinn

Type 17 wrote: »

We don't need red light cameras - only cyclists break red lights here :pac:

But could they be a win for Shane Ross in that surely Mattie,Danny, Michael et al couldn't describe them as "an attack on rural Ireland"? Or could they?

CramCycle

Not a near miss today unfortunately. Car turned across me after someone waved them across. Thankfully I seen it happening and was not going fast when I hit. Front wheel exploded on impact, poor kid at the side of the road burst into tears on seeing it.

Driver was nice, apologised and was more concerned for me than I was. Paid for the wheel and swapped details. My first question to him was the same one he asked me. Are you okay? As accidents go, it was relatively pleasant.

AndrewJRenko

CramCycle wrote: »

Not a near miss today unfortunately. Car turned across me after someone waved them across. Thankfully I seen it happening and was not going fast when I hit. Front wheel exploded on impact, poor kid at the side of the road burst into tears on seeing it.

Driver was nice, apologised and was more concerned for me than I was. Paid for the wheel and swapped details. My first question to him was the same one he asked me. Are you okay? As accidents go, it was relatively pleasant.

Wheel or tyre busted? Good to hear that everyone is OK, and that he's paying up.

CramCycle

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Wheel or tyre busted? Good to hear that everyone is OK, and that he's paying up.

Tyre and tube were fine, wheel has a few spokes ripped from the rim and is as bent as an honest politician.

Dr_Colossus

CramCycle wrote: »

Tyre and tube were fine, wheel has a few spokes ripped from the rim and is as bent as an honest politician.

Nasty but could have been worse. Did they pay you cash on the spot for the wheel and was it a valuable one, always wondered what would happen in such a situation where driver thinks a new wheel might be 30-40 euro when you could be talking 10 times that just as easily. With such an impact check the fork is ok also.
How did you manage the rest of the commute and what's the plans for the commute home and until wheel is replaced. Presume you had to bundle everything into a taxi or did driver offer you a lift.

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Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Nasty but could have been worse. Did they pay you cash on the spot for the wheel and was it a valuable one, always wondered what would happen in such a situation where driver thinks a new wheel might be 30-40 euro when you could be talking 10 times that just as easily. With such an impact check the fork is ok also.
How did you manage the rest of the commute and what's the plans for the commute home and until wheel is replaced. Presume you had to bundle everything into a taxi or did driver offer you a lift.

Had a mavic askium destroyed when hit by a van which ran over it. The guy's reaction to the price was "sure you could buy a whole bike for that much" and then tried bartering with me because I'd be getting a "brand new wheel for nothing". :rolleyes: It's not even that expensive as some wheelsets go.

Glad you're not injured CramCycle!

CramCycle

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Nasty but could have been worse. Did they pay you cash on the spot for the wheel and was it a valuable one, always wondered what would happen in such a situation where driver thinks a new wheel might be 30-40 euro when you could be talking 10 times that just as easily. With such an impact check the fork is ok also.
How did you manage the rest of the commute and what's the plans for the commute home and until wheel is replaced. Presume you had to bundle everything into a taxi or did driver offer you a lift.

Driver offered me a lift, just had to wait for his partner. I was only 15minutes away from home walking so I said thanks and we shook hands

Happy enough that the impact was so mild that the fork is OK, although he did ask. Kinda worried that the wheel went so easily, I think it may not have been as strong as I thought.

I have a good wheel at home, so not worried on that front. It did occur to me that he may not have been so friendly had I been riding my 250euro front wheel, but to be fair, we googled the wheel at the side of the road. I had guessed 100euro, it was €97.50 on the first google hit so he was happy I wasn't BSing him. This said if it was my good wheel, I would have been askgin for the price of a set as you cannot get them individually.

Idleater

CramCycle wrote: »

Kinda worried that the wheel went so easily, I think it may not have been as strong as I thought.

Wheels are quite strong in compression (vertical plane), less so in torsion or horizontal plane. Once there's an imbalance in tension across the wheel, it is easier to completely collapse it. See that sky wheel failure from the giro (?)

Jeff2

There was a section on the news tonight about the Gardai saying don't post videos.

I think the David who tweeted about the wine Toyota parked in the cycle lane was on it.

ED E

Jeff2 wrote: »

There was a section on the news tonight about the Gardai saying don't post videos.

I think the David who tweeted about the wine Toyota parked in the cycle lane was on it.

6 or 9?

Jeff2

ED E wrote: »

6 or 9?

9 RTE.

mr spuckler

Jeff2 wrote: »

There was a section on the news tonight about the Gardai saying don't post videos.

I think the David who tweeted about the wine Toyota parked in the cycle lane was on it.

it was on the 6:01 news on Tuesday evening also.

Hurrache

mr spuckler wrote: »

it was on the 6:01 news on Tuesday evening also.

Was it the same piece? I saw it on Tuesday and flicking through the telly last night I came across a bit of it again and was wondering what happened.

Chiparus

https://twitter.com/linef4ult/status/1090013794477182983

mr spuckler

Hurrache wrote: »

Was it the same piece? I saw it on Tuesday and flicking through the telly last night I came across a bit of it again and was wondering what happened.

I'd say so yeah, as it seems David Ó Laigeanáin was on both.

Lambay island

I was nearly a statistic this morning and was a bit shook for remainder of my journey.
I was coming down Harolds cross road from Terenure direction. I was in the bike lane approaching Junction of Mount Tallant Avenue. I noticed a car just came out of Mount Tallant Avenue to got left. They probably should have waited but no big deal as wouldnt have required changing pace as such. I was more concerned to see if the 2nd car driver was going to do the same as they stuck their nose out forcing me out further on the road.
As I was forced out a car coming from other direction decided to turn right in front of me without indication. There was no way I was going to be able to stop despite me not going fast. It just seemed to happen so quick and in slow motion at the same time. They just kept coming and I let out a massive roar and somehow managed to manoeuvre in a way that i wasnt touched at all. It must have been centimetres, The only reason I stayed up or wasn't hit I believe was down to my experience on bikes.
I looked back a second or two later and car had tore away up Mount Tallant avenue. Ive no idea what type of car or even if driver was male or female. I just went into survival mode.
I kept free wheeling away for a little but in shock just stopped to gather myself. The woman in the car that had nose sticking out then drove past me slowly and saw she had winded down window- I was naively waiting for her to ask me if I was ok but instead just eyeballed me then drove off. The whole thing was surreal. P.s. I had four lights on my bike

Pinch Flat

Red light jumpers in cars everywhere this morning. Mostly the usual suspects for rampant red light breaking - Castleknock Village at Myos pub, then through the lights at Park Gate Street / Bus Garage junction.

Was stopped at the Courts of Justice, usually take center lane. Noticed a black car nosing up my left - drew up along side of me. Guy in an audi just nudges through a group of cyclists, taking the left hand turn through a red light....cool as a breeze....

Ray Bloody Purchase

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Red light jumpers in cars everywhere this morning. Mostly the usual suspects for rampant red light breaking - Castleknock Village at Myos pub, then through the lights at Park Gate Street / Bus Garage junction.

Was stopped at the Courts of Justice, usually take center lane. Noticed a black car nosing up my left - drew up along side of me. Guy in an audi just nudges through a group of cyclists, taking the left hand turn through a red light....cool as a breeze....

It's really prevalent at junctions where there's usually a filter light for going left. This spot here for example, is always being abused when it's red. I've seen some people go through it and i firmly believe they don't even realise the light has gone red.