Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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outta my way, I'm a bus! Note the oncoming driver forced to brake and move into bus lane. Road completely clear behind. Driver says he's a cyclist too and he thought it was loads of room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iymek_iyzZs

plodder

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

outta my way, I'm a bus! Note the oncoming driver forced to brake and move into bus lane. Road completely clear behind. Driver says he's a cyclist too and he thought it was loads of room.

Was the bus out of service? Looks like it might be. My commute passes near Harristown depot and I've had a couple of close shaves at high speed like that with buses returning to the depot.

Alanstrainor

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

outta my way, I'm a bus! Note the oncoming driver forced to brake and move into bus lane. Road completely clear behind. Driver says he's a cyclist too and he thought it was loads of room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iymek_iyzZs

Outrageous. Absolutely unforgivable that one, and I presume that was a beep from the bus too?

sy_flembeck

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

outta my way, I'm a bus! Note the oncoming driver forced to brake and move into bus lane. Road completely clear behind. Driver says he's a cyclist too and he thought it was loads of room.

I had an odd one with Dublin Bus myself earlier. After several carefree KMs around Wicklow - beautiful day and EVERYONE passing with good space and patience - I came into Newtownmountkennedy. A DB passed me very close at the south of the village, in fact it felt like he cut in deliberately on top of me. I passed him at a stop only for him to close pass me again a short time later into the path of an oncoming car. Again I passed him at the stop at Coillte and when I was doing so I signalled to him that he'd done me twice. So on the ramp back up to the N11 I took the lane big time. He got past eventually and went on his way.

But here's the rub. When I reviewed the footage later (front and rear) I noticed he'd actually indicated both times before passing me. So I'm at a complete loss to understand what he was at. No doubt he's away now giving out about the grumpy pr*ck on his bike all over the road....

I haven't put up the footage for two reasons. I'm in two minds what to do as I'm kinda thinking now he just misjudged things. But also, in general I find DB drivers in this neck of the woods to be pretty good generally so I'll probbly just give him the benefit of the doubt ultimately.

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Alanstrainor wrote: »

Outrageous. Absolutely unforgivable that one, and I presume that was a beep from the bus too?

I think that was unrelated on the other side of the road. The bus was a good bit back at that point. Just pulled the fly6 footage and he hardly hesitates in barging oncoming traffic out of their lane, certainly doesn’t slow much. Think the poor chap behind me may have copped an even closer pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4_UW8dGTt8

plodder wrote: »

Was the bus out of service? Looks like it might be. My commute passes near Harristown depot and I've had a couple of close shaves at high speed like that with buses returning to the depot.

Yep, he was absolutely hooring it up the road.

randomname2005

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I think that was unrelated on the other side of the road. The bus was a good bit back at that point. Just pulled the fly6 footage and he hardly hesitates in barging oncoming traffic out of their lane, certainly doesn’t slow much. Think the poor chap behind me may have copped an even closer pass.


Yep, he was absolutely hooring it up the road.

If you can get a reg place number from the video please send in the footage to DB. I know it will get an 'our drivers are the best trained professional drivers in the world, ever' type of response, but they need to see that.

buffalo

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

outta my way, I'm a bus! Note the oncoming driver forced to brake and move into bus lane. Road completely clear behind. Driver says he's a cyclist too and he thought it was loads of room.

If it's the stretch of road I think it it is, that was definitely a "there's a perfectly good cycle track going through that estate over there, so **** off out of my bus lane" punishment pass.

Ray Bloody Purchase

buffalo wrote: »

If it's the stretch of road I think it it is, that was definitely a "there's a perfectly good cycle track going through that estate over there, so **** off out of my bus lane" punishment pass.

That's up around Bushy Park. Other road users get really outraged if you don't use the 'cycle path.' AKA a road with speed bumps and a footpath in a park.

Duckjob

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

he hardly hesitates in barging oncoming traffic out of their lane, certainly doesn’t slow much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4_UW8dGTt8

There's a certain type of driver on Irish roads now with a certain mentality that makes it almost impossible for them to reduce their speed when they see hazards such as a bike or bikes on the road ahead. Instead they simply plough on through a crowded situation at the same speed, creating ridiculous levels of unnecessary danger.

These people are wholly unfit to hold a driving licence - if they acted this way during a driving test would fail their test in a millisecond. However, as their incompetent and dangerous driving goes unchecked, they continue on. The icing on the cake is many of them are probably the ones claiming cyclists are dangerous, a menace etc.

Hurrache

Two from the motors forum, from the same driver. Poster was heavily criticised for it with many posters pointing out issues with his driving and attitude in other posts he posted about the incident (he said the cyclist should have pulled in for him). Mods didn't like the discussion around the cyclists, it hadn't even turned into a Cyclists vs Motorists debate, and the mod deleted any post related to the vids.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107126560&postcount=1840

benjamin d

Hurrache wrote: »

Two from the motors forum, from the same driver. Poster was heavily criticised for it with many posters pointing out issues with his driving and attitude in other posts he posted about the incident (he said the cyclist should have pulled in for him). Mods didn't like the discussion around the cyclists, it hadn't even turned into a Cyclists vs Motorists debate, and the mod deleted any post related to the vids.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107126560&postcount=1840

What was the gist of the deleted stuff?

Why did your man even post those videos when he was so clearly wrong?

Internet Friend

Seen that, unfortunately it's an attitude that's endemic in some road users, there's no excuse for the "I had no choice" stance that was taken by the OP. Shocking maneuver

Andy Magic

Hurrache wrote: »

Two from the motors forum, from the same driver. Poster was heavily criticised for it with many posters pointing out issues with his driving and attitude in other posts he posted about the incident (he said the cyclist should have pulled in for him). Mods didn't like the discussion around the cyclists, it hadn't even turned into a Cyclists vs Motorists debate, and the mod deleted any post related to the vids.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107126560&postcount=1840

I was just about to post this up here, the most frightening thing is the driver thinks he was 100% correct and the cyclist was in the wrong. I hope I don't cycle anywhere near this driver :eek:

The posts that were deleted were from people criticizing the driver that he was in the wrong.

Ray Bloody Purchase

Hurrache wrote: »

Two from the motors forum, from the same driver. Poster was heavily criticised for it with many posters pointing out issues with his driving and attitude in other posts he posted about the incident (he said the cyclist should have pulled in for him). Mods didn't like the discussion around the cyclists, it hadn't even turned into a Cyclists vs Motorists debate, and the mod deleted any post related to the vids.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107126560&postcount=1840

My fooking god. He seems to be blaming the cyclist for not having eyes in the back of his head????

Andy Magic

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

My fooking god. He seems to be blaming the cyclist for not having eyes in the back of his head????

Looking at the threads this user has created on boards, it's quite clear they get a kick from confrontation and like to stir the ****..

https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=659833&threads=1&sort=newest

mr spuckler

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I think that was unrelated on the other side of the road. The bus was a good bit back at that point. Just pulled the fly6 footage and he hardly hesitates in barging oncoming traffic out of their lane, certainly doesn’t slow much. Think the poor chap behind me may have copped an even closer pass.

Yep, he was absolutely hooring it up the road.

that's really shockingly bad driving.

Hurrache

benjamin d wrote: »

What was the gist of the deleted stuff?

Why did your man even post those videos when he was so clearly wrong?

Pretty sensible in fairness. All, but one who always sides against cyclists, pointed out the poor level of driving on display from the poster, He countered that there was nothing wrong with his driving and that the cyclist in one example should have moved into the left turn junction to give him more space to pass at "considerable speed". He also said that had he clipped either of those cyclists his life would have been ruined.

I suspected trolling at that point but he continued on insisting he had done nothing wrong at all in any of those videos. Mod then deleted all posts related to that video, handed out bans, and said he doesn't want a cyclist vs motorist argument which was ridiculous as literally every poster bar the video one were critical on him.

Esho

Following this thread for a while now -
What is a 'punishment pass'?

carter10

Near misses:
I've had a few now on the new river path from Clonmel to Carrick on Suir - lovely evenings- out for a run only to be nearly pushed into the river by cyclists who think they own the path showing no regard for runners or walkers.
Ironic really seeing as how they so easily take the high moral ground with motorists. It's an ongoing problem on the Waterford greenway as well.

buffalo

Esho wrote: »

Following this thread for a while now -
What is a 'punishment pass'?

It's a deliberate close pass intended to intimidate or 'punish' the recipient for being in the way. As opposed to close passes done out of recklessness.

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but yet you let me pass you at considerable speed bearing in mind I had an oncoming car leaving me with sfa clearance and I still had to contend with you 'holding your rd'

The poor driver didn't stand a chance, can't believe the scum cyclist encroached on his right to drive at considerable speed.

Felexicon

carter10 wrote: »

Near misses:
I've had a few now on the new river path from Clonmel to Carrick on Suir - lovely evenings- out for a run only to be nearly pushed into the river by cyclists who think they own the path showing no regard for runners or walkers.
Ironic really seeing as how they so easily take the high moral ground with motorists. It's an ongoing problem on the Waterford greenway as well.

Yeah man people are c&^ts. You'll not get any argument about that here.

plodder

carter10 wrote: »

Near misses:
I've had a few now on the new river path from Clonmel to Carrick on Suir - lovely evenings- out for a run only to be nearly pushed into the river by cyclists who think they own the path showing no regard for runners or walkers.
Ironic really seeing as how they so easily take the high moral ground with motorists. It's an ongoing problem on the Waterford greenway as well.

Greenways seem to attract people who have no idea how to cycle properly unfortunately.

I was on holiday recently in Spain and saw something similar. One case in particular, was an elderly lady cycling slowly (thankfully), approached a group of pedestrians from behind and rang her bell. For whatever reason, they didn't move and she just collided with them. Didn't seem to know how to use her brakes at all. There are signs up saying pedestrians have right of way, but she looked like she hadn't been on a bike in about fifty years.

hesker

carter10 wrote: »

Near misses:
I've had a few now on the new river path from Clonmel to Carrick on Suir - lovely evenings- out for a run only to be nearly pushed into the river by cyclists who think they own the path showing no regard for runners or walkers.
Ironic really seeing as how they so easily take the high moral ground with motorists. It's an ongoing problem on the Waterford greenway as well.

Care to share some examples. Interested as I share a cycleway/walkway with other cyclists, joggers, walkers and their dogs. So far no problem except for dogs not on their leash.

VW 1

I had a trifecta this morning, punishment pass coupled with beeping and to top it off, a soaking from the driver spraying soapy water from his windshield washer bottle.

Happened as I came down the R135 headed towards town from Finglas - private bus with no company name or anything identifiable on the bus. I reckon he must have his windscreen spray adjusted in some way as there was a too much water coming away from the front of the bus to the passenger side for it to be aiming at the window. Certainly didn't appreciate the mouthful of washing up liquid at that time of the morning.

carter10

hesker wrote: »

Care to share some examples. Interested as I share a cycleway/walkway with other cyclists, joggers, walkers and their dogs. So far no problem except for dogs not on their leash.

Examples: cyclists using the middle of the path and forcing other users into the side- a very regular occurance.
Cyclists treating it as open road and cycling as such forcing other users off the path ( by a river)
Cyclists approaching from behind at speed and passing without warning- this particular one resulting in me getting the handlebar in the back and the cyclist unseated.
People with dogs and young children use such paths for leisure, in my opinion it's no place for fully cycling gear clad cyclists using it as if it's the open road.

I just find it interesting that for a group who make such a big deal out of car users- they act in the exact same manner themselves when they are the ones in the 'bigger' vehicle.

mr spuckler

carter10 wrote: »

Examples: cyclists using the middle of the path and forcing other users into the side- a very regular occurance.
Cyclists treating it as open road and cycling as such forcing other users off the path ( by a river)
Cyclists approaching from behind at speed and passing without warning- this particular one resulting in me getting the handlebar in the back and the cyclist unseated.
People with dogs and young children use such paths for leisure, in my opinion it's no place for fully cycling gear clad cyclists using it as if it's the open road.

I just find it interesting that for a group who make such a big deal out of car users- they act in the exact same manner themselves when they are the ones in the 'bigger' vehicle.

you're using 'they' to lump all people who cycle into one group and imply that this group as a whole behaves in this way. I'm pretty sure that everyone here would be horrified to hear of cyclists behaving like this, just like most motorists would be horrified to see some of the videos and accounts of dangerous behaviour on the road that are posted on this thread.

as was mentioned on the previous page, there are d1cks who cycle, d1cks who drive and indeed d1cks who walk. it sounds like you've encountered some particularly high level d1cks on bikes.

carter10

mr spuckler wrote: »

you're using 'they' to lump all people who cycle into one group and imply that this group as a whole behaves in this way. I'm pretty sure that everyone here would be horrified to hear of cyclists behaving like this, just like most motorists would be horrified to see some of the videos and accounts of dangerous behaviour on the road that are posted on this thread.

as was mentioned on the previous page, there are d1cks who cycle, d1cks who drive and indeed d1cks who walk. it sounds like you've encountered some particularly high level d1cks on bikes.

I suppose the difference is runners/walkers are not constantly moaning about it.

homer911

sy_flembeck wrote: »

Again I passed him at the stop at Coillte and when I was doing so I signalled to him that he'd done me twice. So on the ramp back up to the N11 I took the lane big time.

It wasn't with the first two fingers of your hand was it?

Duckjob

carter10 wrote: »

I suppose the difference is runners/walkers are not constantly moaning about it.

As a cyclist (as well as a motorist), I do my best to ride responsibly. However, I'm not responsible for sins of other cyclists, so I don't really give a fiddlers fart what pre-conceived attitudes might have towards me due to my "grouping" (cyclist).

Where I do get tetchy is where some of those road users, because of the attitudes they have, wilfully endanger my life for the sake of a couple of seconds instead of exercising a reasonable duty of care with the life of an extremely vunerable road user.

If you play fast and loose with my safety and my life while sitting pretty in your 2 tonnes of metal and airbag protection, then yes, you can expect to hear me "moan" about that.