Car keeps rolling when in gear

DULLAHAN2

Hey so about 3 weeks ago i noticed that the handbrake in the car 05 Toyota Corolla was very loose but it still kept the car stationary. Today however when at the petrol pumps which is on a slant the car wouldn't stay stationary even when it was in gear.

How big a problem is this to fix?

Atlantic Dawn

I'd say handbrake just needs to be tightened, small fix.

mickdw

What gear did you park it in?

DULLAHAN2

mickdw wrote: »

What gear did you park it in?

First

biko

There are two issues here yeah?

1 Car moves when handbrake is on
As said, probably just a slack cable.

2 Car moves when in gear
This is more serious if the gears don't engage. Can you even drive car?

Jack the Stripper

No manual car in the world is designed to hold itself stationary in gear.

biko

biko wrote: »

............ Can you even drive car?

I think it's obvious he can drive the car

OP, how much did it move when in gear?

DULLAHAN2

Augeo wrote: »

I think it's obvious he can drive the car

OP, how much did it move when in gear?

It slowly keeps moving when parked at the petrol pumps which is on a slight slant

mickdw

Put it in reverse if facing down the slope

emeldc

DULLAHAN2 wrote: »

It slowly keeps moving when parked at the petrol pumps which is on a slight slant

That doesn't make sense TBH. It might roll if you were in 3rd or 5th but not 1st on just a slight slant.

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

No manual car in the world is designed to hold itself stationary in gear.

Maybe not, but any car I've ever had could hold itself in 1st or reverse. I never tried it on the side of a mountain though.

DULLAHAN2

emeldc wrote: »

That doesn't make sense TBH. It might roll if you were in 3rd or 5th but not 1st on just a slight slant.
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Yeah ill bring it to the mechanic's and see whats up

biko

If car just rolls an inch or two and then stops it's normal.
It's just gears settling.

If car, when in first, could actually roll away then there is a serious issue, as this mean gears are not engaging properly.

CiniO

biko wrote: »

If car just rolls an inch or two and then stops it's normal.
It's just gears settling.

If car, when in first, could actually roll away then there is a serious issue, as this mean gears are not engaging properly.

If gears were not engaging properly, then car would be hardly driveable.

Could it not be issue with an engine not having enough compression (f.e. damaged valves)?
Or incredibly small engine for the weight of the car?

Jack the Stripper

Biko you are incorrect on what you say above.

It's a corolla it's a low compression engine, think about it.

CiniO

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

No manual car in the world is designed to hold itself stationary in gear.

They all do.
I nearly always leave cars in gear, and only engage handbrake when necessary - f.e. parked on slope, or expecting wind.

Normally having it in gear is enough.

BlinkingLights

This is why cars have parking brakes (handbrakes)

If your car rolls because you failed to apply the handbrake and damages property or injures someone, you could easily be sued for negligence.

emeldc

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Biko you are incorrect on what you say above.

It's a corolla it's a low compression engine, think about it.

So how will the engine generate enough compression to get moving with the engine running.

biko

Can't wait to hear back from OP on what the conclusion is.

selectamatic

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Biko you are incorrect on what you say above.

It's a corolla it's a low compression engine, think about it.

It's not a "low compression engine" a 4zzfe corolla has a compression ratio of around 10.5:1

A 1.4L or 1400cc engine in an e12 corolla is also plenty big enough to hold the weight of the car while parked in gear.

fancy pigeon

selectamatic wrote: »

It's not a "low compression engine" a 4zzfe corolla has a compression ratio of around 10.5:1

A 1.4L or 1400cc engine in an e12 corolla is also plenty big enough to hold the weight of the car while parked in fear.

The fear of rolling away is strong in this case...

selectamatic

fancy pigeon wrote: »

The fear of rolling away is strong in this case...

What was that old saying?

The early pigeon catches the worm :P

Pete67

Most manual transmissions cannot be depended on to hold a car stationary on a slope for any length of time as the slope applies a torque to the engine via the gearbox. This torque will turn the engine slowly until compression in one cylinder temporarily stops it. Over time very slight leakage past the rings or valve seats will result in the cylinder pressure dropping until the car lurchs forward slightly until the next cylinder starts a compression cycle, and the process repeats.
Not true with auto boxes in Park, which positively lock the transmission so that it cannot rotate. With a manual gearbox you should always apply the handbrake when parked.

colm_mcm

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Biko you are incorrect on what you say above.

It's a corolla it's a low compression engine, think about it.

Do you claim to be a mechanic?

Jack the Stripper

colm_mcm wrote: »

Do you claim to be a mechanic?

I don't claim anything, they are your words, do you?

Cee-Jay-Cee

There is something amiss if the car rolls forward on a gentle slope while in 1st gear. I'd imagine the clutch is very worn but then that would be noticeable when driving because if there is enough wear to allow slippage when in 1st gear then there would be virtually no drive at all in higher gears. Strange one but I suspect that the OP isn't describing the problem accurately, ie, every car will roll a few inches until the gears engage and stop it so maybe he/she feels the car move slightly and applies the hand brake more or foot barke thinking its not holding at all whereas the car would stop itself within a few inches if they just left it.

colm_mcm

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

I don't claim anything, they are your words, do you?

I'm not a mechanic and don't claim to be. For some reason I thought you were a mechanic based on some previous posts.

And you?

bear1

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Biko you are incorrect on what you say above.

It's a corolla it's a low compression engine, think about it.

What's there to think about? All cars will move forward slightly when in gear and parked.
Engine compression has **** all to do with that.

Jack the Stripper

bear1 wrote: »

What's there to think about? All cars will move forward slightly when in gear and parked.
Engine compression has **** all to do with that.

Here is an experiment to try, petrol car remove spark plugs. Put in gear on hill/slope and have your phone on record.

bear1

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Here is an experiment to try, petrol car remove spark plugs. Put in gear on hill/slope and have your phone on record.

Why would you do that?
And if it's a diesel car? Do i remove the engine and see happens then?

Isambard

i thought you shouldn't leave a diesel in gear or is that ancient history?

Jack the Stripper

bear1 wrote: »

Why would you do that?
And if it's a diesel car? Do i remove the engine and see happens then?

You are saying compression has nothing to do with it, stick by your post now. If it's a diesel remove the glow plugs and injectors.

bear1

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

You are saying compression has nothing to do with it, stick by your post now. If it's a diesel remove the glow plugs and injectors.

I am sticking with it, have I hinted at otherwise.
Again, I park my car on a hill. Leave in first, apply the handbrake and then turn the wheels in towards the footpath so it doesn't roll down.
Why, would any compression within the engine be factor here?
No one is going to try your experiment tbh.

Edit. After checking it out it seems you may be correct.
However, it would have to be a very steep hill for this to apply and simply putting it in reverse would stop it happening.

colm_mcm

bear1 wrote: »

I am sticking with it, have I hinted at otherwise.
Again, I park my car on a hill. Leave in first, apply the handbrake and then turn the wheels in towards the footpath so it doesn't roll down.
Why, would any compression within the engine be factor here?
No one is going to try your experiment tbh

The compression in the engine makes it harder to turn when there's no combustion happening. Take the glow pugs or spark plugs out and there's no compression in the cylinder.

Putting it in reverse would make no difference in this case. The gearing may be different than in first, that's about it.

bear1

colm_mcm wrote: »

The compression in the engine makes it harder to turn when there's no combustion happening. Take the glow pugs or spark plugs out and there's no compression in the cylinder.

Putting it in reverse would make no difference in this case.

Fair cop I was wrong.

colm_mcm

Isambard wrote: »

i thought you shouldn't leave a diesel in gear or is that ancient history?

Yeah, these days you can't really push start a diesel that hasn't got the ignition turned on.

Back in the day when everything was mechanical you could.

Isambard

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yeah, these days you can't really push start a diesel that hasn't got the ignition turned on.

Back in the day when everything was mechanical you could.

just as well as I've had a diesel for two years and only just remembered that nugget!

frozenfrozen

compression is all you need

Pete67

You also need fuel, with modern electronically controlled injectors no fuel will be injected unless the ECU is active, which means the 'ignition' must be turned on.

emeldc

Pete67 wrote: »

You also need fuel, with modern electronically controlled injectors no fuel will be injected unless the ECU is active, which means the 'ignition' must be turned on.

You're way over thinking this

ba_barabus

Maybe it was parked on one of those magic slopes where everything goes mad?

Jack the Stripper

emeldc wrote: »

So how will the engine generate enough compression to get moving with the engine running.

Add fuel obviously.

emeldc

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Add fuel obviously.

I'm not a mechanic but that is absolute utter rubbish. You know what they say, when you're in a hole ................

Jack the Stripper

emeldc wrote: »

I'm not a mechanic but that is absolute utter rubbish. You know what they say, when you're in a hole ................

You are dismissing adding fuel for an engine to go, riiight. :cool:

emeldc

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

You are dismissing adding fuel for an engine to go, riiight. :cool:

Go ahead, add as much as you like. If you've no compression you won't get very far.
How come it took you so long with the 'adding fuel' answer. Google not working right today.

Jack the Stripper

emeldc wrote: »

Go ahead, add as much as you like. If you've no compression you won't get very far.
How come it took you so long with the 'adding fuel' answer. Google not working right today.

I proved my posts along time ago in this thread, don't believe me read Colms one.

selectamatic

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

I proved my posts along time ago in this thread, don't believe me read Colms one.

I must have missed the post where you proved Toyota were using "low compression" small n/a petrol engines in 2005

Jack the Stripper

It's a low compression engine on par to others in 2005. Is this turning into a court case or What?

emeldc

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

I proved my posts along time ago in this thread, don't believe me read Colms one.

Ah we could be here all night. I haven't the interest TBH. As the man says in the film Toodaloo Mothafcukaaaaaaaa

Jack the Stripper

I'm the same, I must face some real world problems tomorrow

selectamatic

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

It's a low compression engine on par to others in 2005. Is this turning into a court case or What?

No Jack it's actually a higher compression engine than most other economy designed 1.4's from the mid noughties.

Plenty high enough to hold a corolla on slightly slanted ground at a petrol station, most likely designed as such to prevent standing water.

But yes I agree this isn't a court case and I apologise for rising ya.

You do often dabble in a bit of the aul rising yourself though in other threads

Jack the Stripper

Where has op in this thread said it's a 1.4 petrol? Could be right in front of my eyes.