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Milan-Sanremo 2017 *includes spoilers*

  • 16-03-2017 1:32pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,469 ✭✭✭


    "La Primavera,” the season’s first monument classic takes place on Saturday on the familiar route - south from Milan across the plains before climbing the Turchino pass and onto the coast with the three small 'capi' climbs awaiting them before the peloton reaches the famed Cipressa and Poggio climbs then dropping down to the finish at the outskirts of San Remo.

    Despite talk in previous years of introducing a new climb - La Pompeiana between Cipressa and the Poggio (which would favour climbing all rounders such as Nibali) - it seems destined to remain the Sprinters Classic but can be, and is occasionally, won by a late break (a-la, Kelly, Cancellara, Goss). So, even with lots of control being exerted by sprinters teams over the Cipressa and Poggio, the main man still has to have it in his legs (after nearly 300km) to do the business as the line beckons and there have been a number of extremely close calls with the race won by barely a few CMs. The road always tells......

    For these reason, and unlike other monuments, the list of potential winners is long and its difficult to pick a winner with any certainty.

    My picks for a winner is for either Van Avermaet or Gaviria - he was fifth last year at his first attempt - both have already shown good form this year. Demare is reigning the champion after a somewhat controversial finish last year and has already being going well in Paris-Nice and Sagan as ever has to be a hot tip. It would be great to see Sam Bennett lead out Sagan for the win, but it will be challenge for him not to be marked out of the race and pipped at the line.

    Apart from Sam, another Irishman on the startlist is Stephen Clancy (of this parish, I think?) for Team Novo Nordisk.


    Race starts at 9:10am
    Finish at around 3:50pm
    Live video from 1:00pm

    PROFILE:

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    The weather is often a factor and can be lovely...
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    ...or not so
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    The forecast for the finish is good and looks to be consistent even at the start:
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    There are very few lesser known riders who have won this race.....

    1986 Republic of Ireland Sean Kelly (IRL) Skil-Sem Kas
    1987 Switzerland Erich Maechler (SUI) Carrera Jeans–Vagabond
    1988 France Laurent Fignon (FRA) Système U – Gitane
    1989 France Laurent Fignon (FRA) Super U-Raleigh-Fiat
    1990 Italy Gianni Bugno (ITA) Chateau d'Ax–Salotti
    1991 Italy Claudio Chiappucci (ITA) Carrera Jeans–Tassoni
    1992 Republic of Ireland Sean Kelly (IRL) Lotus–Festina
    1993 Italy Maurizio Fondriest (ITA) Lampre–Polti
    1994 Italy Giorgio Furlan (ITA) Gewiss–Ballan
    1995 France Laurent Jalabert (FRA) ONCE
    1996 Italy Gabriele Colombo (ITA) Gewiss Playbus
    1997 Germany Erik Zabel (GER) Team Telekom
    1998 Germany Erik Zabel (GER) Team Telekom
    1999 Belgium Andrei Tchmil (BEL) Lotto–Mobistar
    2000 Germany Erik Zabel (GER) Team Telekom
    2001 Germany Erik Zabel (GER) Team Telekom
    2002 Italy Mario Cipollini (ITA) Acqua & Sapone-Cantina Tollo
    2003 Italy Paolo Bettini (ITA) Quick-Step–Davitamon
    2004 Spain Óscar Freire (ESP) Rabobank
    2005 Italy Alessandro Petacchi (ITA) Fassa Bortolo
    2006 Italy Filippo Pozzato (ITA) Quick-Step–Innergetic
    2007 Spain Óscar Freire (ESP) Rabobank
    2008 Switzerland Fabian Cancellara (SUI) Team CSC
    2009 United Kingdom Mark Cavendish (GBR) Team Columbia–High Road
    2010 Spain Óscar Freire (ESP) Rabobank
    2011 Australia Matthew Goss (AUS) HTC–Highroad
    2012 Australia Simon Gerrans (AUS) GreenEDGE
    2013 Germany Gerald Ciolek (GER) MTN–Qhubeka
    2014 Norway Alexander Kristoff (NOR) Team Katusha
    2015 Germany John Degenkolb (GER) Team Giant–Alpecin
    2016 France Arnaud Démare (FRA) FDJ

    Some good previews here:

    http://www.velonews.com/2017/03/news/milano-sanremo-three-potential-scenarios_432813
    http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/milan-san-remo-2017/
    http://inrng.com/2017/03/sanremo-paradox/


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭Somedude9


    Sam ftw ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    Should Sagan save everything on the sprint or try to cull some of the likely lads like Cavendish & Gaviria by attacking on the Poggio? Also wondering is GVA enough of a sprinter to win unless there's been a very small selection at the death?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,469 ✭✭✭TheBlaaMan


    If Sagan is there or thereabouts on the Poggio, I reckon it is destined to end in a mass sprint. Sagan has a mellowing effect on races and no other rider wants him in tow when it comes to the line so it will possibly all back up behind him. In that scenario, Degenkolb, Kristoff, Gaviria etc etc are going to mug him...............I think. He needs to be away and gone early maybe - What are the chances of that? Maybe that's Sam's chance - if Bora are prepared to have a clear plan B?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭DKmac


    Decent odds on Ben Swift who has got great form in MSR @ 33/1 ew and Elia Viviani @ 50/1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Good work TheBlaaMan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    If Sam doesn't manage to win his first monument (;)), I'll be happy with a win for Sagan. An attack just on the crest of the Poggio and holding the chase group at bay until the finish line would be class.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭mp31


    Cavendish ftw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭marvin80


    Degenkolb for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭carltonleon


    Is it defo on Saturday, isn't it always on a Sunday or am I losing my marbles altogether?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Sonny cobrelli as an outsider


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Is it defo on Saturday, isn't it always on a Sunday or am I losing my marbles altogether?

    Always on Saturday afaik.

    A sprinter will win. ;)

    Probably Sagan.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭carltonleon


    Brian? wrote: »
    Always on Saturday afaik.

    A sprinter will win. ;)

    Probably Sagan.

    Jaysus, I have watched so many of these and for some reason I still thought it was a Sunday, **** I am losing my marbles...����������������

    Come on Sam Bennett


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    Brian? wrote: »
    Always on Saturday afaik.

    A sprinter will win. ;)

    Probably Sagan.

    Was on Sunday for a few years there. Reverted to Saturday last year, I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭carltonleon


    Raam wrote: »
    Was on Sunday for a few years there. Reverted to Saturday last year, I think.

    Thanks be to ****, I really did think I was losing it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 985 ✭✭✭Miklos


    It would be nice to see Gaviria come back to win after making such a pigs arse of it last year.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Sam Bennett at 66/1 ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭carltonleon


    RobFowl wrote: »
    Sam Bennett at 66/1 ...
    Only 40/1 with Ladbrokes and 50/1 with Boyles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭sy


    Kwiatkowski to attack and get away on the Poggia....or Sagan to emulate the great Kelly descent of the Poggio and win on his own.....Sam Bennett to beat Gaviria, Sagan, Degenkolb, Kristoff, Boonen, Gilbert and Demare in a bunch sprint!! :) ..decisions ..decisions... this is going to be a great race and so many potential winners. My pick, Demare again with Colbrelli as outside bet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    The weather is looking pretty good:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    I'm busy for much of the afternoon. Any idea of the projected finishing time of the race?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Anyone know of a continental TV station that this is on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭Melodeon


    pelevin wrote: »
    I'm busy for much of the afternoon. Any idea of the projected finishing time of the race?

    The official race programme (http://static2.milanosanremo.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Garibaldi_MISA_2017.pdf) says between 4:45 and 5:30 local time depending on how fast they go, so 3:45-4:30 here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,763 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Anyone know of a continental TV station that this is on?

    It's on RAI 2 in Italy (Italian) and La Une in Belgium (French)

    https://www.firstonetv.eu/Live/Belgium/La-Une-17


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Jaysus could watch that ad for telaviv/jeruselam all day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    neris wrote: »
    Jaysus could watch that ad for telaviv/jeruselam all day

    It's peachy, isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Just tuning in now. I'm presuming absolutely nothing of note has happened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,318 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    Just tuning in now. I'm presuming absolutely nothing of note has happened?

    Correct.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,763 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Cav out the back, might get back on. 1.5km left to go to the top.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,763 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Most importantly Bennett in the front group! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Interesting attacks from Gallopin and Gilbert


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Wow, Sky still have 7 riders left in the peloton. That's some going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Sagan seems to have no team mates left now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Impossible to call who will win this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    GO GO GO SAGAN!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Some go from sagan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    It's between the three lads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,763 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Kwait wins it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Gutted for Sagan :(

    Couldn't have a tighter finish for 1, 2 and 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭pelevin


    Fekk.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    Sorry for Sagan. He does a lot of work. Maybe he shouldn't


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭wanderer 22


    Ah, have to feel for Sagan there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭neris


    That was brilliant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,861 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Ahh agony !!!
    The man is some rider! While others sit and wait, he jumps !!! Chapeau

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭f1000


    Savage finish. Feel bad for Sagan after all the effort he put in to pull away


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Ahh agony !!!
    The man is some rider! While others sit and wait, he jumps !!! Chapeau

    He needs to work on his tactics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,763 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus




  • Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some finish!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,861 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    godtabh wrote: »
    He needs to work on his tactics

    Worked alright for him in plenty of races .....
    Tactics are a bit overrated, he saw an opportunity. So did Kwai , and it worked for him. The opposite happened in Strade Bianche a few years back , where Sagan pipped Kwai on the line.... Luck helps

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Worked alright for him in plenty of races .....
    Tactics are a bit overrated, he saw an opportunity. So did Kwai , and it worked for him. The opposite happened in Strade Bianche a few years back , where Sagan pipped Kwai on the line.... Luck helps


    True and this sums him up

    Sagan to Rai: "Results don't matter. The important thing is to put on a show."

    But still every now and again have a think


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