Would anybody support a repeal of the 34th(marriage referendum)?

freshpopcorn

Almost everyday we read threads and posts about people calling for 8th amendment to be repealed. Would you ever like to see a repeal of the marriage referendum? Just trying to get After Hours views on it!

Pherekydes

Get your fresh popcorn here! Fresh popcorn!

tomwaterford

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Almost everyday we read threads and posts about people calling for 8th amendment to be repealed. Would you ever like to see a repeal of the marriage referendum? Just trying to get After Hours views on it!

Let it go lad

vicwatson

Be nice if you gave us a link to the exact article in the constitution op so we could vigorously read it and give you our response ASAP

Poor Uncle Tom

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Almost everyday we read threads and posts about people calling for 8th amendment to be repealed. Would you ever like to see a repeal of the marriage referendum? Just trying to get After Hours views on it!

What exactly are you trying to control?

freshpopcorn

vicwatson wrote: »

Be nice if you gave us a link to the exact article in the constitution op so we could vigorously read it and give you our response ASAP

https://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/acts/2015/a34th15.pdf

freshpopcorn

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

What exactly are you trying to control?

When the 8th amendment passed. It passed fairly easily even getting more support than the marriage referendum. Now, people are calling for it to be repealed. I'm just wondering is their support now or will their be a large amount of people in 2047 calling for a Repeal of what our generation forced on them.(Like how the previous generation forced 8th amendment on us)

Maximus Alexander

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Repeal of what our generation forced on them.

I know, it's a disgrace. My forced gay marriage is coming up next month and I couldn't be angrier about it.

Mr. CooL ICE

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I know, it's a disgrace. My forced gay marriage is coming up next month and I couldn't be angrier about it.

I'm angry because once you're married, you'll be stealing healthy babies from the arms of their married straight mothers

Poor Uncle Tom

freshpopcorn wrote: »

When the 8th amendment passed. It passed fairly easily even getting more support than the marriage referendum. Now, people are calling for it to be repealed. I'm just wondering is their support now or will their be a large amount of people in 2047 calling for a Repeal of what our generation forced on them.(Like how the previous generation forced 8th amendment on us)

For Gods sake, it's there, focus on what's important....

I can't take you seriously anymore, and for that reason I'm out....

Effects

freshpopcorn wrote: »

will their be a large amount of people in 2047 calling for a Repeal of what our generation forced on them.

If you're a man who doesn't want to marry a man, then don't
If you are a woman who doesn't want to have an abortion, then don't.

Billy86

freshpopcorn wrote: »

When the 8th amendment passed. It passed fairly easily even getting more support than the marriage referendum. Now, people are calling for it to be repealed. I'm just wondering is their support now or will their be a large amount of people in 2047 calling for a Repeal of what our generation forced on them.(Like how the previous generation forced 8th amendment on us)

How about this - if tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of people are extremely unhappy with it in 30-odd years time we hold another referendum on the 15th amendment. Of course this means we hold another referendum in the next year on the 8th amendment which is from 34 years back. Sound good?

Though going by how the age demographics voted, I highly doubt there'll be a large amount of people unhappy with it in 2047. I don't think there were was a huge proportion of the US in 1997 unhappy with their parents for making interracial marriage legal in all states 30 years earlier, for example.

freshpopcorn

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

For Gods sake, it's there, focus on what's important....

I can't take you seriously anymore, and for that reason I'm out....

Thanks for the grammar advice, Mr Dragon!

By the way I supported the marriage referendum!

Poor Uncle Tom

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

I'm angry because once you're married, you'll be stealing healthy babies from the arms of their married straight mothers

And what happens the children when you grow out of this 'phase'.....

I personally want to repeal the 4th, 18th (I don't know what the Amsterdam Treaty is, but Amsterdam is full of hookers and hash, so y'know it's not a good thing), and the 26th, because I keep reading it as nice and not Nice.

Winterlong

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

And what happens the children when you grow out of this 'phase'.....

Or is cured.

Your Face

I'm taking the 5th, see.

lawred2

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Almost everyday we read threads and posts about people calling for 8th amendment to be repealed. Would you ever like to see a repeal of the marriage referendum? Just trying to get After Hours views on it!

what?

stimpson

I'd like to keep gay marriage but ban gay divorce. I'm still on the fence over gay abortions.

sullivlo

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

I'm angry because once you're married, you'll be stealing healthy babies from the arms of their married straight mothers

Yes, babies that actually belong in septic tanks.

Why would we let a homosexual adopt a baby when we could look after them ourselves?

:rolleyes:

Repeal the 34th? Nah, you're grand thanks. As Maximus said - I'm looking forward to my forced same sex marriage.

Oh and I'm, hopefully, looking forward to my forced abortion at some stage in the future.

freshpopcorn

lawred2 wrote: »

what?

What don't you understand?

The 8th amendment was strongly supported back in 1983 and people are asking for it to be repealed now.I'm just wondering would anybody here like to a repeal of the marriage referendum!

lawred2

freshpopcorn wrote: »

What don't you understand?

The 8th amendment was strongly supported back in 1983 and people are asking for it to be repealed now.I'm just wondering would anybody here like to a repeal of the marriage referendum!

I don't understand why someone would ask such a question barely two years after the original vote.

What do you think has changed in the intervening two years?

Or is it a case that you're in some way obsessed about the gheys and what they're up to?

Are you making some oblique point about repealing the 8th? If you are, I can't quite see it.

osarusan

In principle I suppose I should support the right of the electorate to campaign for the revision of any part of the constitution.

So while I wouldn't support a repeal of the amendment, I think people should have the right to campaign for it.

I would like to know, though, what people in 2034 might think the amendment 'forced on them'. Apart from simply living in a country in which same-sex marriage is legal, I can't think of anything.

freshpopcorn

lawred2 wrote: »

I don't understand why someone would ask such a question barely two years after the original vote.

What do you think has changed in the intervening two years?

Or is it a case that you're in some way obsessed about the gheys and what they're up to?

I supported the marriage referendum( you look back on my posts in 2015) and still do.
I'm not obsessed with the gheys either. I'm just wondering has anybody had a change of heart because they saw the negative effects of same sex marriage.

lawred2

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I supported the marriage referendum( you look back on my posts in 2015) and still do.
I'm not obsessed with the gheys either. I'm just wondering has anybody had a change of heart because they saw the negative effects of same sex marriage.

?

you supported a referendum that you described as having been 'forced' on the people and you also believe that there have been subsequent negative effects of same sex marriage..

Forgive me but someone who supported the referendum and still does wouldn't use such terminology..

ohnonotgmail

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I supported the marriage referendum( you look back on my posts in 2015) and still do.
I'm not obsessed with the gheys either. I'm just wondering has anybody had a change of heart because they saw the negative effects of same sex marriage.

lawred2 wrote: »

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i'm with lawred2 on this. what negative effects?

freshpopcorn

lawred2 wrote: »

?

Well I haven't seen any but other might!

freshpopcorn

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm with lawred2 on this. what negative effects?

I haven't seen any negative effects of same sex marriage. However somebody who'd like to see it repealed might have and I'm wondering what they are.
Do you understand that?

ohnonotgmail

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Well I haven't seen any but other might!

well you must have some idea of what these negative effects might be or else why mention it? Though for the life of me i cant imagine what these negative effects might be. It had no effect on non-gay people and only a possible positive effect for gay people.

freshpopcorn

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well you must have some idea of what these negative effects might be or else why mention it? Though for the life of me i cant imagine what these negative effects might be. It had no effect on non-gay people and only a possible positive effect for gay people.

Well from what I remember the No campaign made a big deal out of children not having a mother and farther. So making an educated guess.
Somebody who voted yes might have witnessed a child raised in a same sex family desperately crying out for a mammy and daddy!

Larbre34

We'll look for a fresh mandate for it in 2049.

ohnonotgmail

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Well from what I remember the No campaign made a big deal out of children not having a mother and farther. So making an educated guess.
Somebody who voted yes might have witnessed a child raised in a same sex family desperately crying out for a mammy and daddy!

The referendum had no effect on that. There was no prohibition on children being raised in same sex families. the couple were not able to marry but there was nothing stopping them from raising children.

freshpopcorn

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The referendum had no effect on that. There was no prohibition on children being raised in same sex families. the couple were not able to marry but there was nothing stopping them from raising children.

I know but that was the No campaigns biggest argument.
I think another was a heterosexual marriage would feel less if same sex couples got married maybe somebody experienced this!

ohnonotgmail

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I know but that was the No campaigns biggest argument.

and it was a totally fallacious argument. what makes you think it is any more valid now?

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think another was a heterosexual marriage would feel less if same sex couples got married maybe somebody experienced this!

if a heterosexual feels less married because the referendum was passed i would suggest that they need therapy.

freshpopcorn

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and it was a totally fallacious argument. what makes you think it is any more valid now?

I don't!

goose2005

Effects wrote: »

If you are a woman who doesn't want to have an abortion, then don't.

bit of a stupid argument, people who are antiabortion generally are so because they believe a foetus is a person or at least close to being a person

lawred2

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RobertKK

No, people are going to be fed up of the word 'repeal' soon, if not already.

freshpopcorn

lawred2 wrote: »

I don't understand why someone would ask such a question barely two years after the original vote.

What do you think has changed in the intervening two years?

Or is it a case that you're in some way obsessed about the gheys and what they're up to?

Are you making some oblique point about repealing the 8th? If you are, I can't quite see it.

That's how somebody who voted no or voted Yes and changed their mind might feel!

In a way I sort of am. If we repeal the 8th.(which we probably will.) I'm just thinking could we ever see a day of a campaign for the 34th to be repealed!

mickstupp

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm just wondering is their support now or will their be a large amount of people in 2047 calling for a Repeal of what our generation forced on them.

I'm still not understanding the forced bit

freshpopcorn

mickstupp wrote: »

I'm still not understanding the forced bit

People today say the 8th amendment was forced on them from a previous generation and they need to vote for our generation.
In 30 years time another generation could say that we forced gay marriage on them!

ScumLord

freshpopcorn wrote: »

People today say the 8th amendment was forced on them from a previous generation and they need to vote for our generation.
In 30 years time another generation could say that we forced gay marriage on them!

The problem is nobody is forced to get gay married. Allowing gays to go through the same civil ceremony and hold the same rights as hetero couples is not the same thing as being forced to carry a child you don't want because of other people's morals. There is no force involved in allowing gay marriage.

freshpopcorn

ScumLord wrote: »

The problem is nobody is forced to get gay married. Allowing gays to go through the same civil ceremony and hold the same rights as hetero couples is not the same thing as being forced to carry a child you don't want because of other people's morals. There is no force involved in allowing gay marriage.

I agree with you.
In thirty years time could people say that gay marriage ruined society effecting their lives in some way.(Which I'd have no idea) and call for it to be repealed?

ScumLord

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I agree with you.
In thirty years time could people say that gay marriage ruined society effecting their lives in some way.(Which I'd have no idea) and call for it to be repealed?

I don't see how. What could gay marriage do that would ruin society or lead other people to believe it's ruined society?

Most of the intolerance to homosexuals in this country is enforced by the catholic church. As people listen to the church less and grow up in a society where gay marriage is just a normal thing it seems less likely that people will see it as something that's wrong.

I just don't see how society would see it as a bad thing unless something goes horribly wrong and extremists make a come back.

freshpopcorn

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't see how. What could gay marriage do that would ruin society or lead other people to believe it's ruined society?

Most of the intolerance to homosexuals in this country is enforced by the catholic church. As people listen to the church less and grow up in a society where gay marriage is just a normal thing it seems less likely that people will see it as something that's wrong.

I just don't see how society would see it as a bad thing unless something goes horribly wrong and extremists make a come back.

I don't see any reason either but the world can be a scary place and anything could happen!

Widdershins

I wouldn't be interested in supporting a repeal the 34th but I'd be interested in getting behind a campaign for the rights of longer term cohabiting but unmarried couples. Although I believe the situation has improved somewhat it's still not equal to that of married couples.

ScumLord

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I don't see any reason either but the world can be a scary place and anything could happen!

It can be, but this whole thread sort of implies that there's something wrong with gay marriage and future generations will have to deal with the fallout.

Widdershins wrote: »

I wouldn't be interested in supporting a repeal the 34th but I'd be interested in getting behind a campaign for the rights of longer term cohabiting but unmarried couples. Although I believe the situation has improved somewhat it's still not equal to that of married couples.

But if cohabiting couples have the same rights as married couples what's the point of having marriage. I think plenty of people wouldn't like the idea of becoming married spending to much time in he same house with another person. If people want the rights of married couples they can get married.

freshpopcorn

ScumLord wrote: »

It can be, but this whole thread sort of implies that there's something wrong with gay marriage and future generations will have to deal with the fallout.

That wasn't my intention fot it to come across that way!

ScumLord

freshpopcorn wrote: »

That wasn't my intention fot it to come across that way!

I can see that, but it's really the only direction the debate can take once you start asking why would people want to repeal.

osarusan

freshpopcorn wrote: »

In thirty years time could people say that gay marriage ruined society effecting their lives in some way.(Which I'd have no idea) and call for it to be repealed?

Yes they could. As they could do tomorrow. Anybody can call for a repeal or revision or amendment for anything.

What number of people would be calling for a repeal, why, and how much impact they would have, is another question.

If your speculation on the kinds or issues they would raise is any way accurate, I guess they would not be taken seriously at all.

Widdershins

ScumLord wrote: »

It can be, but this whole thread sort of implies that there's something wrong with gay marriage and future generations will have to deal with the fallout.

But if cohabiting couples have the same rights as married couples what's the point of having marriage. I think plenty of people wouldn't like the idea of becoming married spending to much time in he same house with another person. If people want the rights of married couples they can get married.

Why do you have to have an official ceremony to prove your standing as a long term couple. Paying someone else who mightn't know you at all, to confirm it, when you could have met your partner only two months ago. Not everyone believes in marriage but they might believe in commitment. Plenty of unmarried pcouples with families, who don't benefit from the protection the state affords to married couples.