Child Benefit Review

MountainAshIRL

Hi just wondering if many people receive child benefit review letters and how often? Personally I have a foreign surname as does my child, both myself and Dad are Irish, I receive these letters twice to once a year, sometimes even 3 times a year. After speaking to friends about it, with Irish surnames, none of them had ever received such a letter. So now im starting to think that the dept. is targeting people with foreign surnames even if your irish.

So what are your experiences? Do you receive these letters? How often? and do you have an Irish or foreign surname?

cbyrd

I got 2 last year, they send them to everyone who's registered for child benefit. I'd be very surprised if your friends haven't received them as it been used for a few years now to stop fraudulent claims.from child benefit tourists. You just fill it in and send it back. No big deal.
I'm Irish with an Irish surname.

tickingclock

cbyrd wrote: »

I got 2 last year, they send them to everyone who's registered for child benefit. I'd be very surprised if your friends haven't received them as it been used for a few years now to stop fraudulent claims.from child benefit tourists. You just fill it in and send it back. No big deal.
I'm Irish with an Irish surname.

I'm Irish with an Irish surname like my child. I got two year. It's no problem for me returning it.

EverythingGood

MountainAshIRL wrote: »

Hi just wondering if many people receive child benefit review letters and how often? Personally I have a foreign surname as does my child, both myself and Dad are Irish, I receive these letters twice to once a year, sometimes even 3 times a year. After speaking to friends about it, with Irish surnames, none of them had ever received such a letter. So now im starting to think that the dept. is targeting people with foreign surnames even if your irish.

So what are your experiences? Do you receive these letters? How often? and do you have an Irish or foreign surname?

My wife is Polish, kept her family name, we get them at least twice a year - my sisters have never, ever received one.

SusanC10

I am Irish but with a foreign surname. Husband is foreign. We get 3 letters a year. None of our friends have ever received a letter.

uck51js9zml2yt

SusanC10 wrote: »

I am Irish but with a foreign surname. Husband is foreign. We get 3 letters a year. None of my friends have ever received a letter.

Have you called them to find out why you're getting them?

SusanC10

Nancy Rancid Nail wrote: »

Have you called them to find out why you're getting them?

Yes - and they say that it is totally random :rolleyes:

nhunter100

SusanC10 wrote:

I am Irish but with a foreign surname. Husband is foreign. We get 3 letters a year. None of our friends have ever received a letter.

My wife and I are both Irish with Irish names we get these letters once a year. Couple of minutes to fill out the form no big deal. I'm glad the state is insuring that child benefit is controlled as much as possible.

kieran.

We have Irish Surnames and get these once or twice a year, got one last week.

SusanC10

I don't have a problem filling in the Form but based on the fact that none of the other people we know with kids (and Irish surnames) have had to fill this out I did start to wonder if we were picked out as our surname was not Irish.

Last year they sent out a letter which we did not receive so therefore did not reply and the Benefit was stopped. When I phoned they explained that it was cut as we did not reply. I told them that I had already filled out 2 of these Forms in 2016. It was then that I queried it. It took a number of months to be re-instated.

And it was then that we talked to our friends / other Mums at the school about it and we were the only ones getting these letters.

Call me Al

I've received 2/3 of these over the past 4 years maybe. Not a big deal, signed and returned the same day.
I would be peeved if I was getting them every few months though as the required turnaround time can be quite short, so if you happened to be away on a holiday when one arrived you could be docked your allowance the following month.

I think at this stage I'd be writing to them (not a phonecall) a firm letter asking if you're been profiled in some way, and explain how your friends and acquaintances don't appear to receive the same level of attention and scrutiny as yourself.
See how they explain it officially on paper back to you.

SteM

My wife is English and we have received about 4 or 5 over the last 4 years.

Cordell

I have a foreign surname (because I am a foreigner) and usually I get one every year, although last year I think I've got none, probably because my wife had to get that social protection card. But, even if they do profile you by name, I can't see the problem.

uck51js9zml2yt

My wife is foreign with my name. Got one every 6 months but hasn't got one in a while from what I can see!

EverythingGood

Cordell wrote: »

I have a foreign surname (because I am a foreigner) and usually I get one every year, although last year I think I've got none, probably because my wife had to get that social protection card. But, even if they do profile you by name, I can't see the problem.

Thats institutional racism.

Cordell

And high insurance cost for young drivers is institutional ageism. And so on. When you are part of a group that is more likely to abuse the system expect to be checked more often, I don't mind and I can't see a problem. If that is the case.

ForestFire

Irish Parent, All Irish surnames, received twice in the last year.

Just fill them out and send it back, and I don't particular care if they profile/target any group that is a known higher risk.

If you have nothing to hide, why try to create problems..they are trying to find people that are robing money from all of us.

Anne_cordelia

All Irish here and get 1 or 2 a year. Not a big deal

MountainAshIRL

Thanks for the replies. I know its no big deal to just complete he form and send it back, thats what I have been doing. Genuinely non of my friends with irish surnames have ever received these forms, friends with non irish names have received them several times. Thats why I just wanted to get a broader idea of what other people experienced. I dont see how these letters prevent fraud, if someone is defrauding the state, it is pretty easy to sign this letter, or have someone else do it and just send it back

dori_dormer

We get 1-2 a year. I think certain things make you more likely to get them. Like money direct to bank account rather than post office collection, having lived abroad with the kids before, not sending a letter back in time, kids born abroad, one parent not irish etc. These things make you more likely for the kids to be living in Ireland etc.
As long as they reinstate it you are ok. We had ours stopped for over a year and the pain in the arse paperwork to get it reinstated is no joke.

ForestFire

MountainAshIRL wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. I know its no big deal to just complete he form and send it back, thats what I have been doing. Genuinely non of my friends with irish surnames have ever received these forms, friends with non irish names have received them several times. Thats why I just wanted to get a broader idea of what other people experienced. I dont see how these letters prevent fraud, if someone is defrauding the state, it is pretty easy to sign this letter, or have someone else do it and just send it back

You have to add details of the Child's Creche and/or Doctor.

They then check that the child is really living in the country with either above.
Rather than gone to some foreign country and illegally claiming the benefits here still.

jimmycrackcorm

kieran. wrote:

We have Irish Surnames and get these once or twice a year, got one last week.

Exact same as that. Just sent it back a few days ago. I think it's just random.

ForestFire wrote:

They then check that the child is really living in the country with either above. Rather than gone some foreign country and illegally claiming the benefits here still.

I worked with a Polish guy who claimed and got back paid a significant benefit amount for his children living in Poland with their mother, once he discovered that indeed it is allowed.

pilly

MountainAshIRL wrote:

Thanks for the replies. I know its no big deal to just complete he form and send it back, thats what I have been doing. Genuinely non of my friends with irish surnames have ever received these forms, friends with non irish names have received them several times. Thats why I just wanted to get a broader idea of what other people experienced. I dont see how these letters prevent fraud, if someone is defrauding the state, it is pretty easy to sign this letter, or have someone else do it and just send it back

They prevent fraud because if you're not living there you wouldn't get the letter.

ForestFire

pilly wrote: »

They prevent fraud because if you're not living there you wouldn't get the letter.

It is not prevented like this, As in the quoted post, you can get a friend or family member to sign and return on you behalf, or have the letter forwarded to your new address.

They actually check with the creche and/or doctor that the child is attending these services regularly here and living here

pilly

ForestFire wrote: »

It is not prevented like this, As in the quoted post, you can get a friend or family member to sign and return on you behalf, or have the letter forwarded to your new address.

They actually check with the creche and/or doctor that the child is attending these services regularly here and living here

Children don't necessarily have to be living here for child benefit to be paid, one of the adults does.

MountainAshIRL

I'm wondering how data protection laws allow a GP or creche to give out that of info? maybe it doesn't fall under data protection? Surely there is a more effective way to find fraudulent cases? Also the child doesn't have to reside in the country, if they parent resides here and pays tax here they are entitled to claim child benefit. So how do these letters take that into account?

Big Bag of Chips

I'd be very surprised if none of your friends have ever gotten one. How many people are you talking about? I have an 'Irish' surname, my sister has a different 'Irish' surname. We have both gotten them recently and I know many of our friends have too.

I get them at least once a year. I have a child who is not yet 3 and I know I have just filled in my 3rd one for her.

ForestFire

pilly wrote: »

Children don't necessarily have to be living here for child benefit to be paid, one of the adults does.

I believe there are cases where a child not living here can still get benefit here under strict conditions (One parent living here, Child in other part of EU and not claiming benefit there). And I guess this would be something that has to be declared for this child anyway.

But this simple check narrows down the children that are in valid receipt of child benefit and those that require further investigation quite quickly, so efforts can be concentrated there.

shortstuff!

Son is 2 & I've had 2letters! Both Irish surnames

January

EverythingGood wrote: »

Thats institutional racism.

Except it's not.

I'm Irish, born and bred, never left Ireland to live elsewhere, have a very Irish surname, married an Irish man with an Irish surname and I get these at LEAST twice per year, one year I received 4.

jlm29

I only remarked last week that I've filled in lots of them (by lots, I mean maybe 4 in 5 years). I've no idea why, I've got a very Irish surname, as do my kids (although our surnames are different). i did wonder if they actually go to the effort of checking with the gp regarding attendance, but I suppose they must verify the information somehow.

mirrorwall14

Son is two and I've had three. Irish name (well not actually in Irish if you get me). Missed the last one because I moved house but I'll get the back payment. No issue with them personally

Snugglebunnies

I've filled in about of these a year, every year. I've an English surname although I'm irish. Between that and forms to confirm my lone parents status, I'm constantly filling out forms.

Cordell

I'm not trying to be insensitive (hint that I'm going to): it's just a form or two, once a year, to get about 1500 euros per child. Not a big deal. Maybe you'll appreciate more the lack of bureaucracy in Ireland if I'll tell you that there are countries in which amputees need to bring a certificate issued by their GP to certify that their limbs haven't grown back, every year, in person, not by post. And that is no joke.

orchidsrpretty

Im Irish with an Irish surname and have received the form the last two years that I have been claiming.

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cbyrd wrote: »

I got 2 last year, they send them to everyone who's registered for child benefit. I'd be very surprised if your friends haven't received them as it been used for a few years now to stop fraudulent claims.from child benefit tourists. You just fill it in and send it back. No big deal.
I'm Irish with an Irish surname.

Same here, get them regularly

contrary_mary

I have one of the most boring, common Irish names going and I get it around once a year on average.

MountainAshIRL

Thanks for all the replies I don't have an issue with them either but was just wondering as 4 friends with Irish names hadn't ever heard of them, as far as I'm aware don't collect money in the post office, and 3 other friends non Irish names get them regularly like myself. Seems from the posts here it's just a random selection.

borderlinemeath

I got one only last week. But it arrived about 10 days after I got one to verify my childs GP card. My thoughts were that I got the GP card letter because I've actually never had to use it as 18mth old has never had to go to the doctors bar vaccinations. GP card letter clearly stated that I needed to state if I had moved abroad, whereas the CB one was worded far more politely and wanted to ensure I was getting the correct entitlement rather than ask my whereabouts.

Chocolate fiend

We don't have an "Irish" surname and while we were receiving CB in Australia it was a total pain. They sent the letters to us but, they always arrived after the date they were due back. They really didn't know how to deal with us and people like us. There are plenty of people living out of Ireland who still work for Irish companies and are paid in Ireland and who are eligible for CB.

sword1

Good to see efficiency for once, obviously they have found a common trend and are concentrating their efforts where they have the highest success

Merkin

One child born abroad, English husband, moved to Ireland, really unusual surname and I've received one letter which was about a year ago. I'm delighted that they're cracking down on benefit fraud, about time too.

Moonbeam

Irish and surname as gaeilge and I still get them .

Sunny Dayz

Get this form usually one every 2 years. Irish surname but not a very usual or common one. I don't really mind and I would prefer that they do this to ensure that the correct people are claiming CB.

cutehoore

Have a two year old with one of the most popular Irish names spelled in Irish and we have gotten these 3 times since May 2015 when we got our first payment

Neyite

Irish surname parents and child here and got one a few months back.

My Irish surname colleague had a few too.

LegacyUser

I need to put stamp on the form the form send to put the child name and school address and phone number

Cordell

I feel your pain, I did mine today by hand. The horror.
Also went through the pain of searching for those damn stamps only to find out that they were 68c and now the price is 1E. Had to stick 2 of them, that is 36c off my pocket just wasted!!!
And all this for what?!!?!



Oh yeah, for 1500E a year for every child.

FurBabyMomma

I've had them a few times, although none so far this year. All of us have surnames 'as Gaeilge' too. Never actually thought to ask anyone else if they get them!

Sunny Dayz

Yeah I seem to get one every 2 years I think. They must have done a run of them, I got a letter yesterday.

MountainAshIRL

Im still getting them about 3 times a year. Ive already received 2 this year so far