Dogs dirt in office

Heat_Wave

Hi all

I'm under a lot of stress lately.

I'm in the middle of an 'unpaid' internship and there is a full time position there for me at the end of it if I perform well.

I love the work and I'm brilliant at it (if I may say so myself). There are 3 other girls in the office (all full time) and the 'head girl', who is in fact both younger and less experienced than me, has given me attitude since day one.

I have had to bite my lip as I really want to be offered permanency as I'm really good at my job, but I fear this girl will jeopardise it for me.

For example, there is a dog in the office. The dog was locked in the kitchen today so that he could do his business. When he does his business, he is allowed back into the office. I went into the kitchen to wash my cup as I was about to go on my lunch break, I noticed the dog had done his business (1 & 2), so I allowed him to run back into the office. The head girl (nasty piece of work), said 'oh put him back in, he has to do his business', and I turned around and said 'I was just about to tell you, he actually did his business' and with a big smile on her face, she sarcastically replied 'oh thank you sooo much for telling us'. Speechless, I said 'ok' and I went on my lunch.

I am so stressed out. I am an unpaid intern working my ass off and I am being spoken to like that by an employee, and in reference to cleaning up dogs dirt!

My employer called me in and asked me how I was getting on and (in the nicest way possible) I explained to him that I was loving the work and the job but that this girl seems to be deliberately giving me a tough time. I told him about the dogs dirt scenario. I was very upset by his reaction. He basically said that she is his longest staff member (2 years) and that if I can't get on with her then he fears I 'may not be suited to the company'.

I was bitterly upset when I arrived home this evening. I left a really well paid job to do this internship as it's in a niche sector that I am interested in. I am working two months unpaid, and I have a girl like this giving me grief because I won't clean up after the dog.

Another thing - there are poo stains all over the carpet in the office, and I eat out every day as it turns me off my lunch. Although this should bother me, it doesn't, because I don't mind sucking it up and just eating outside on a bench or whatever, but this girls attitude is very tough to take and I'm in a position where I cannot speak up and fear I may not be offered permanacy because she doesn't like me and she seems to have some sort of hold over the MD.

Any thoughts/opinions/advice welcomed.

Thanks for reading.

HW

domrush

The dog ****s in the office? Am i reading this correctly?

Donal55

Heat_Wave wrote: »

Hi all

I'm under a lot of stress lately.

I'm in the middle of an 'unpaid' internship and there is a full time position there for me at the end of it if I perform well.

I love the work and I'm brilliant at it (if I may say so myself). There are 3 other girls in the office (all full time) and the 'head girl', who is in fact both younger and less experienced than me, has given me attitude since day one.

I have had to bite my lip as I really want to be offered permanency as I'm really good at my job, but I fear this girl will jeopardise it for me.

For example, there is a dog in the office. The dog was locked in the kitchen today so that he could do his business. When he does his business, he is allowed back into the office. I went into the kitchen to wash my cup as I was about to go on my lunch break, I noticed the dog had done his business (1 & 2), so I allowed him to run back into the office. The head girl (nasty piece of work), said 'oh put him back in, he has to do his business', and I turned around and said 'I was just about to tell you, he actually did his business' and with a big smile on her face, she sarcastically replied 'oh thank you sooo much for telling us'. Speechless, I said 'ok' and I went on my lunch.

I am so stressed out. I am an unpaid intern working my ass off and I am being spoken to like that by an employee, and in reference to cleaning up dogs dirt!

My employer called me in and asked me how I was getting on and (in the nicest way possible) I explained to him that I was loving the work and the job but that this girl seems to be deliberately giving me a tough time. I told him about the dogs dirt scenario. I was very upset by his reaction. He basically said that she is his longest staff member (2 years) and that if I can't get on with her then he fears I 'may not be suited to the company'.

I was bitterly upset when I arrived home this evening. I left a really well paid job to do this internship as it's in a niche sector that I am interested in. I am working two months unpaid, and I have a girl like this giving me grief because I won't clean up after the dog.

Another thing - there are poo stains all over the carpet in the office, and I eat out every day as it turns me off my lunch. Although this should bother me, it doesn't, because I don't mind sucking it up and just eating outside on a bench or whatever, but this girls attitude is very tough to take and I'm in a position where I cannot speak up and fear I may not be offered permanacy because she doesn't like me and she seems to have some sort of hold over the MD.

Any thoughts/opinions/advice welcomed.

Thanks for reading.

HW

What sort of person would let a dog pi$$ and $hit in a kitchen. Id be looking for a new job.

sadie1502

Why is there a dog in the office ? Is he an assistance dog ?

Well I wouldn't have said it to him personally if I really wanted to stay. Sometimes you have to suck it up as hard as it may seem.

eviltwin

These problems will still exist even if you get a job in the end. Do you really think you will be any less stressed if your an actual employee? I'd definitely look for another job.

elperello

Just don't go in tomorrow or ever.
Why would you want to be made permanent in such a dysfunctional place?

Donal55

sadie1502 wrote: »

Why is there a dog in the office ? Is he an assistance dog ?

Well I wouldn't have said it to him personally if I really wanted to stay. Sometimes you have to suck it up as hard as it may seem.

Ah no. There are somethings that really do cross the line.
Think about it.

A dog is allowed pi$$ & $hit in a kitchen. Would you tolerate it?

Heat_Wave

sadie1502 wrote: »

Why is there a dog in the office ? Is he an assistance dog ?

Well I wouldn't have said it to him personally if I really wanted to stay. Sometimes you have to suck it up as hard as it may seem.

This is what others have said to me. It has just been one thing after another with this girl and today felt like the icing on the cake. I needed to get it off my chest but fear it may have ruined my chances with permanency (even if unjustified).

Another example - I asked this girl if she knew of a coffee shop in the area, she said she did. I told her that my friend said it was meant to be lovely and she said 'I go there sometimes, it's nice'. I asked her how far it was and she told me it was near some train station. Unfamiliar with the area, I asked her if she thought I would have enough time to go on my lunch break and she snapped back 'I just told you that I often go there didn't I?' in a seriously bitchy tone.

She could have been frequenting there after work on the way home for all I knew. Such a tyrant.

And yes - the dog sh*ts in the office. He's a pup so isn't trained yet. Bizarre situation, I know.

beertons

Is the dog hers?

Cazale

Why is there a dog pissing and ****ting in an office?

Donal55

Cazale wrote: »

Why is there a dog pissing and ****ting in an office?

Because its an offence if it sh1ts on the road!

Heat_Wave

eviltwin wrote: »

These problems will still exist even if you get a job in the end. Do you really think you will be any less stressed if your an actual employee? I'd definitely look for another job.

Hi eviltwin - as I said it is a very niche industry. I will not find another job like this. If I were to be made permanent, at least then I will be able to speak up for myself, whereas atm, it's all 'yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir'.

antodeco

That sounds like a horrendous place to work!

On a separate H&S issue,what sort of environment is the place? I'm pretty sure it's against H&S to have a loose dog in an office that pisses and shots everywhere.

If you fell over the dog or slipped on its "business" you'd probably be out of work for a while, paid...

tracey turnblad

Run away as fast as you can don't look back... who brings a pup to work? Who expects employees to look after their pup in work? Who has to put up with dogs **** on a carpet in work? The place must stink... I couldn't work there no matter what...and especially for free

tracey turnblad

Double post

Heat_Wave

beertons wrote: »

Is the dog hers?

No it belongs to the MD but we've to look after it as the MD is rarely in the office.

I don't mind the dog, in fact I love the dog. But I will not take orders to clean up dog sh*t especially as an 'unpaid' intern.

Ferrari3600

Wtf. Am I the only one that is picturing The Day Today sketch when the management consultant brought a pig into the office?

antodeco

Just be aware that at the end of your internship, they may put you on a 6 month contract, so not permanent. Have they explicitly said to you there's a permanent job for you once you complete the internship?

Alf Veedersane

Heat_Wave wrote: »

Hi eviltwin - as I said it is a very niche industry. I will not find another job like this. If I were to be made permanent, at least then I will be able to speak up for myself, whereas atm, it's all 'yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir'.

In that case, if you're determined to see it through to permanency,you now know the rules of engagement. It is a retry mental set up but if you want to see the internship through to be made permanent then you just have to suck it up, as unpalatable as that is.

It's a sh*te situation and no mistake bit if you're sure this is your one route into an area you want to work in, then you work with what you have.

bmwguy

Craziest office ever. Bizarre. Must be a terrible operation nowhere I have ever worked allowed a dog in the office even a well trained one that will go outside.
As a side note, that's a terrible way to train a dog. I have a 2 year old dog and think she **** inside twice only as a pup when we were caught out, this dog will think it's normal to **** inside now

OldMrBrennan83

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beertons

The MD allows his dog relieve itself in the staff kitchen. Think about it. I'd say there's a few health violations there that would have harsh punishments.

Heat_Wave

antodeco wrote: »

Have they explicitly said to you there's a permanent job for you once you complete the internship?

I was casually told last week that I will be offered a full time position as I'm 'doing a great job', but events turned when I brought this up earlier. He was very taken aback and said that the company may not be for me if I cannot get on with the Rottweiler (and I'm not referring to the dog!).

Donal55

If your MD is on boards id say he'll recognise himself.
Cos I guarantee there is no other place in Ireland where an animal sh1ts in the kitchen.

Wouldn't even happen in Dubalin Zoo.

beechwood55

Run a mile.

This has me flipping livid for a whole host of reasons. Not least being that this gives having a dog in the office a bad name. Locking the dog in the kitchen(the kitchen of all places to add insult to injury) for he/she to do her business is fupped up to begin with.

I've worked in offices where dogs were welcome and it actually is a great stress soother, however the unwritten, unspoken, universally acknowledged rule went a long the lines of "your dogs business is your business, when nature calls you go for walkies and if accidents happen, you clean it up straightaway". It was an unwritten, unspoken rule because well, you really shouldn't need to point that out to anyone.

All that aside, OP, the country is back to full employment, unemployment is down around 6% which is about as low as it will get. Why in the hell are you an unpaid intern? I know you said its a niche area, but usually niche area workers get paid a premium, not work for free. Start job hunting. That office situation is not going to change anytime soon, especially with the MDs reaction to your comment about the girl. That smacks of unprofessional-ism. "Shes my longest serving staff member". Two years? No surprises there. I've had cartons of cereal Ive had a longer relationship with than 2 years.

Whose dog is it anyway? Is it the "head girls"? Or does it belong to the MDor whatever and its the head girls job to care for the dog and her approach is lock him/her in the kitchen?

Start job hunting. Land a salaried position. Then tip off the ISPCA and the HSA to the goings on in that office.

I know you said its a niche area, can you give us a rough idea of the area? So far all we know is you are working in an office. Maybe a boardsie can suggest a better role for you.

LegacyUser

OP, run and run fast. The company is two years old, the MD keeps a dog in the office and it ****s inside, the longest serving member of staff is younger than you and a right bitch?

This company is heading one way and that is for the rocks. Nothing even remotely professional about it. Believe me when I say that if it is ridiculous on one end, it will be throughout.

Niche or not, you are worth more than that. They won't give you a permanent job and they are taking the piss now.

For the record, if you do go back in and the puppy dirties the kitchen again, say nothing and head out for lunch. NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

robindch

Heat_Wave wrote: »

For example, there is a dog in the office.

I'm going to assume your story is true as the details read like a wind-up

Anyhow, if the office dog isn't a guide dog and if you're not working at a dogs' home, a vet or a zoo, then there should be no dogs in the office. Your employer has a duty of care towards you - under which they are required by law to provide you with a safe, clean workplace. The MD or senior staff member seemingly expecting you to scrape up dogshit off the floor is simply beyond belief.

I'd take a few photos, then resign and inform the ISPCA and the HSA as what they're doing represents a nasty health hazard to employees as well as cruelty to the dog concerned.

K.Flyer

To be honest, this is my third attempt to try to type out some suggestions as how to deal with your Horrible Bosses in order for you to hopefully get what you want from the job...
But then all I can see and smell is dog sh!t and pi$$ in the kitchen area, and its just Nnnoooooo!!

PraxisPete

robindch wrote: »

I'm going to assume your story is true as the details read like a wind-up

Anyhow, if the office dog isn't a guide dog and if you're not working at a dogs' home, a vet or a zoo, then there should be no dogs in the office. Your employer has a duty of care towards you - under which they are required by law to provide you with a safe, clean workplace. The MD or senior staff member seemingly expecting you to scrape up dogshit off the floor is simply beyond belief.

I'd take a few photos, then resign and inform the ISPCA and the HSA as what they're doing represents a nasty health hazard to employees as well as cruelty to the dog concerned.

While it's a bizarre situation if the pup is quite young it's not going to go outside so there's no cruelty involved.

PraxisPete

PraxisPete wrote: »

While it's a bizarre situation if the pup is quite young it's not going to go outside so there's no cruelty involved.

Please dont start defending this fukt up situation.

claregal1

As a matter of interest where does who ever job it is to clean up after the dog , dispose of the dogs crap ? The Kitchen bin ???

pilly

Heat_Wave wrote:

I was casually told last week that I will be offered a full time position as I'm 'doing a great job', but events turned when I brought this up earlier. He was very taken aback and said that the company may not be for me if I cannot get on with the Rottweiler (and I'm not referring to the dog!).

Leaving aside the dog issue you appear to have a problem with this girl and that's not going to work out.

Whether you like it or not she's your senior. How do you think that's going to change by you being made permanent?

Mrs OBumble

OP, even if you get a full time job at the end of the internship - there's no guarantee it will be permanent. It could just be a full-time six-month contact.

And even if it's permanent (sic) - you will still be on probation for the first year. And they can restructure and make you redundant with no compensation for another year after that.

So really it's another two years before you have any meaningful rights.

Uemployment is now below 7%. There is NO EXCUSE for unpaid interships any more.

Especially not in places that have animals ****ting in the kitchen.

Stheno

Mod:

Thread closed at OP's request

Nody

Mod:
Re-opened on request of OP.

Donal55

Any updates OP?

AidoEirE

Donal55 wrote: »

Any updates OP?

OP killed the dog, but slipped in sh*t on his way out of the kitchen.

Fries-With-That

Heat_Wave wrote: »

I was bitterly upset when I arrived home this evening. I left a really well paid job to do this internship as it's in a niche sector that I am interested in. I am working two months unpaid, and I have a girl like this giving me grief because I won't clean up after the dog.

I am not getting the real picture here, you left a well paid job 2 months ago to do an internship. How does that even happen?

After leaving the well paid job you found out that the new company have a dog in the office that ****s and pisses around the place, and the corporate solution is to lock it in the kitchen until it performs.

You do not seem to get on with the person in charge, you had a meeting with the boss and told him this.

I am afraid you appear to be extremely naive, in your attitude to work, your colleagues, your job retention prospects, and your own personal health and safety.

I'd be reporting the place to whatever organisation organised your internship, as to its unsuitability as a work environment, take pictures of the dog **** on the floor if you have to.

I hope the experience as an intern was worth it, if for nothing else other than you gained some experience on what not to say to the boss.

sadie1502

Donal55 wrote: »

Ah no. There are somethings that really do cross the line.
Think about it.

A dog is allowed pi$$ & $hit in a kitchen. Would you tolerate it?

Well without stating the obvious clearly the dog shouldn't be allowed to **** in the kitchen thats obvious.

I'm trying to figure out why there is a dog in work and are they in a massive building top floor or why can't the dog be let out.

Ann22

I know a local company here that sells dog friendly toys and safety products I've been in there and the workers can bring their dogs. They're all dog lovers and have a decking area to let them out. A friend had to call in for something once and someone's dog bit her on the arse lol!
We're involved with a dog charity and they've been good to us, hence the reasons for our visits. Lovely people but you'd have to be a dog lover. I'd think nothing of cleaning up after the dog but the girl's attitude stinks. My sister's in a similar situation. Left a job for another. Not being trained properly, ridiculous backlog to compete and a horrible girl over her. .and the boss had a similar attitude to yours when she spoke to him about it . No way would she stick it, if unpaidl!

Heat_Wave

Patww79 wrote: »

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As this poster correctly predicted, my internship was terminated, having worked for 8 weeks unpaid, and having only been told two weeks ago that I would be offered a full-time position as I’m ‘doing a great job’.

Before I go on to give my experience, I have since done the groundwork, and have gotten in contact with three past interns, and it turns out they all had their internship terminated, and it is 100% clear now that this company use interns as free labour. I do not believe there was ever a position available for me.

It is a small company (only two years old), consisting of 6 people. It is located in a small building, on the second (top) floor of another company. When the dog runs around and barks, the company downstairs can hear.

During my final two weeks, I noticed that both my manager and their partner were acting very oddly around me. They called me in, and they asked me ‘what exactly have you done in the past 14 days?’. I did a serious amount in 14 days, and they know it. This was a total contradiction to the previous week, where they told me that I was doing a great job.

Their behaviour was very off, and deep down I had a feeling that they were trying to ‘push me out’. A week later, I was called in by them and I was let go, in a horrific manner which left me crying as I walked out the door. I was informed that ultimately I was not a ‘good fit’. I was ‘too quiet’ for the office, and my work was only ‘just OK’ (despite being told it was excellent all along, and I myself know it was excellent as internal data spoke for itself). I admit, I was a very quiet employee. I was surrounded by big personalities. However this should not be a problem. I asked them ‘what is wrong with me being quiet by nature, if I put my head down and do the work?’ and they just said ‘we want a chatty, sociable office’ etc. I was then told ‘if we were to make you permanent, we wouldn’t even be offering you €25k now, you’re only worth €20k, and that’s being generous’ (having being told the salary was €25k in the interview, and in my meeting with the MD only two weeks ago). Talk about kicking someone when they are down.

I would just like to know if I have any comeback on any of this, and if there is any action whatsoever which I can take?

They are a well renowned company for those who are interested in this specific sector, however I have being told that they are not respected within the industry, and they are where they are purely because they generate revenue for other establishments.

As they are only two years in the business, people are blissfully unaware of what they are doing – hiring interns and promising the world to them, and after two months, they let them go – having not given them a cent or an ounce of credit for their work.

They got a lot out of me. Ideas, hard-work, and contacts.

Luckily, I have already found part-time work. However this time two months ago I was in a very well paid, and secure job. I do not regret leaving said job, as my heart was not in the industry. I took a huge risk, and it did not pay off.

As I said, I would love to know if there is anything I can do here? I don’t want the job back, not in a million years, but I think people in the industry should be made aware of what is going on in this company, and future interns should be warned.

gordongekko

Just move on with your life. You are better off out of their.

I hope you had a big ****e in the kitchen yourself before you left.

clairewithani

Name and shame maybe but companies might see you as a potential trouble-maker then. Not that you are but you don't know how potential employers would see it.

lawred2

What sort of 'office' is this?

jimd2

Heat_Wave wrote: »

As this poster correctly predicted, my internship was terminated, having worked for 8 weeks unpaid, and having only been told two weeks ago that I would be offered a full-time position as I’m ‘doing a great job’.

Before I go on to give my experience, I have since done the groundwork, and have gotten in contact with three past interns, and it turns out they all had their internship terminated, and it is 100% clear now that this company use interns as free labour. I do not believe there was ever a position available for me.

It is a small company (only two years old), consisting of 6 people. It is located in a small building, on the second (top) floor of another company. When the dog runs around and barks, the company downstairs can hear.

During my final two weeks, I noticed that both my manager and their partner were acting very oddly around me. They called me in, and they asked me ‘what exactly have you done in the past 14 days?’. I did a serious amount in 14 days, and they know it. This was a total contradiction to the previous week, where they told me that I was doing a great job.

Their behaviour was very off, and deep down I had a feeling that they were trying to ‘push me out’. A week later, I was called in by them and I was let go, in a horrific manner which left me crying as I walked out the door. I was informed that ultimately I was not a ‘good fit’. I was ‘too quiet’ for the office, and my work was only ‘just OK’ (despite being told it was excellent all along, and I myself know it was excellent as internal data spoke for itself). I admit, I was a very quiet employee. I was surrounded by big personalities. However this should not be a problem. I asked them ‘what is wrong with me being quiet by nature, if I put my head down and do the work?’ and they just said ‘we want a chatty, sociable office’ etc. I was then told ‘if we were to make you permanent, we wouldn’t even be offering you €25k now, you’re only worth €20k, and that’s being generous’ (having being told the salary was €25k in the interview, and in my meeting with the MD only two weeks ago). Talk about kicking someone when they are down.

I would just like to know if I have any comeback on any of this, and if there is any action whatsoever which I can take?

They are a well renowned company for those who are interested in this specific sector, however I have being told that they are not respected within the industry, and they are where they are purely because they generate revenue for other establishments.

As they are only two years in the business, people are blistfully unaware of what they are doing – hiring interns and promising the world to them, and after two months, they let them go – having not given them a cent or an ounce of credit for their work.

They got a lot out of me. Ideas, hard-work, and contacts.

Luckily, I have already found part-time work. However this time two months ago I was in a very well paid, and secure job. I do not regret leaving said job, as my heart was not in the industry. I took a huge risk, and it did not pay off.

As I said, I would love to know if there is anything I can do here? I don’t want the job back, not in a million years, but I think people in the industry should be made aware of what is going on in this company, and future interns should be warned.

Wow, that's appalling.

What general industry is it in? This is really poor form - certainly report to any organisation that is arranging internships in the company.

From your own point of view you should try and get yourself a mentor. That is a person that you can chat about your work and decisions. It is difficult to pre empt these but, in hindsight, you were able to find out about how previous interns had got on after it was too late for you.

It is water under the bridge but in general it is way better to gradually move into an area that you want to go to from an existing job than especially going back to the bottom of the ladder with an unpaid internship.

The MD of that company is a complete jerk as he obviously made promises that (from your post) never intended to fulfil and would have known you were leaving a full time job. The girl that was your senior is just a bitch and a product of the system that the MD fosters.

I dont know whether the Health & Safety authority would be interested in the dog situation but, if I thought I could nail them on it I would.

Tea drinker

Website of the health and safety authority:
http://www.hsa.ie/eng/

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jimd2 wrote: »

Wow, that's appalling.

What general industry is it in? This is really poor form.

I dont know whether the Health & Safety authority would be interested in the dog situation but, if I thought I could nail them on it I would.

It's in the food/advertising industry. Food lovers can probably guess, but I don't want to mention names. I do not fear being indentified from this post, as I believe people should stand up for themselves. As embarrassing as it is for me having to tell friends and family that I am now unemployed at 26, I believe it will all have been worthwhile if it prevents the same thing happening to another oblivious intern.

I will try and hunt down the landlord of said building.

On a tax related issue - they offer commission to staff who bring in new clients. They put this commission down as mileage, so that the staff don't get tax deducted. I can possibly report this to Revenue.

I am considering leaving a review on their Facebook page, as they cannot edit, delete or respond to this. If I go ahead and write one, it will be dignified, and simply a warning to future interns. Would this be advisable?

jimd2

Heat_Wave wrote: »

It's in the food/advertising industry. Food lovers can probably guess, but I don't want to mention names. I do not fear being indentified from this post, as I believe people should stand up for themselves. As embarrassing as it is for me having to tell friends and family that I am now unemployed at 26, I believe it will all have been worthwhile if it prevents the same thing happening to another oblivious intern.

I will try and hunt down the landlord of said building.

On a tax related issue - they offer commission to staff who bring in new clients. They put this commission down as mileage, so that the staff don't get tax deducted. I can possibly report this to Revenue.

I am considering leaving a review on their Facebook page, as they cannot edit, delete or respond to this. If I go ahead and write one, it will be dignified, and simply a warning to future interns. Would this be advisable?

While I would love to say Yes, don't do anything that could make yourself identifiable or in any way affect your own future job prospects or career path. That is your main concern and priority.

If you can get someone else to make that posting go ahead but, remember that you may still want to get into that general industry and a lot of industries in Ireland are incestuous and managers in various companies could be friends or in contact anyway. They may then make up stories about you to justify their behaviour and it would be impossible for you to fight.

In general I would leave it a month or two before doing anything and make sure it's not traceabl back to you unless you have moved completely away from the industry.

shel64

I would leave, really its not a place for you, you aren't happy now and it won't get better, you already think you have ruined your chances of a job there, the boss isn't on your side and has told you he is content with the girl and the dog in so many words, the stress isn't worth any job, I'm a granny to 4 girls and a mother to 4 girls, I would tell them the same, stress makes you ill, plays on your mind, and the fact you put it on here shows you are not leaving it at the office but taking it home with you and worrying,,,be kind to yourself,,,

Heat_Wave

shel64 wrote: »

I would leave, really its not a place for you, you aren't happy now and it won't get better, you already think you have ruined your chances of a job there, the boss isn't on your side and has told you he is content with the girl and the dog in so many words, the stress isn't worth any job, I'm a granny to 4 girls and a mother to 4 girls, I would tell them the same, stress makes you ill, plays on your mind, and the fact you put it on here shows you are not leaving it at the office but taking it home with you and worrying,,,be kind to yourself,,,

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