The ordinary - how to suplement with my existing products

SarahMollie

Hi Ladies,

Hoping for some tailored advice. I've recently become very interested in The Ordinary but I'm really struggling to determine which products would work best for me, and also which might nicely suplement some of my existing favourite products.

My main skin challenge at the moment is oilyness. I'm atributing this to changing my pill about 9 months ago (from Yasmin to Microlite) and I had a few (not entirely unexpected) breakouts around that time, and since then I feel its just far more oily, also spots would be infrequent.

As a teenager I had some pretty substantial acne which was ultimely treated by Minacin (antibiotic) but not before some long term damage was done. Its not terribly obviously on a day to day basis, but with no make up on, there is some scarring.

I get microderm abrasion and a glycolic peal done a few times a year using Image products, and use a good bit of their stuff on a faily basis. I get given samples of more intense products like their masques etc to use in the weeks after the treatment, but typically my skincare is the following.

Morning.
Clinique gentle foaming cleaner with hot facecloth/sponge - I've used this for years as I've always liked it but am open to trying something new.
LRP eyecream - not wedded to this product, I'm always trying new eyecreams to be honest.
Image Prevention daily ultimate protection moisturizer SPF 50 - Love this but my facialist wants be to drop to the SPF 30 which comes in a matte formula due to how oily my skin has gotten.
Then make up

Evening.
Bioderma Micellar Water to take of the bulk of my make up.
2nd cleanse wiht Clinique as above
Eyecream as abvoe
Image Vital C Serum (again my facialist asked me to drop to this product from the moisturiser because of my oily skin - she felt I was in danger or over loading).

In addition I use a Kiehls exfoliating scrub about twice a week, and dont currently use a toner (although I do have a guinot one thats supposed to be good - I think I've just never fully understood toners).

So I'd like to buy some things from The Ordinary - what would you suggest and where can I fit them in? Aside from the Image products, everything else can be replaced. I guess the SPF is my one non negotiable

njs030

I wrote a really long post that disappeared!!
I'll write it again later but have a look at the sample regimes on the ordinary website.

pemtca

I'm no expert but I've always found that foaming cleansers make my skin overproduce oil. I use LRP micellar water gel which is rinse-off and feels like a face wash but is non-foaming.
Re. The Ordinary products, Niacinamide & Zinc is recommended for congested skin - but not to be used with Vitamin C, the suggestion is to use the N&Z in the morning & Vit. C in the evening.
I find that although my skin is naturally oily, it also gets dehydrated, and I find that counterintuitively if I use a hydrating serum & a light oil at night my skin is overall less oily. The Ordinary Hyaluronic acid serum at night, followed by Rosehip Oil might be an option.

sashafierce

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SarahMollie

I forgot to add this to my origional post but I also have an alterative cleanser - https://www.imageskincare.com/by-category/cleansers/reconstructive-facial-cleanser.html

this is fairly hardcore stuff as far as I know and I'm only supposed to use it in targeted areas twice a week or so. The idea is to try and minimize some larger pores across my nose and help keep the oil under control.

pemtca

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Alpha Arbutin, but to be used sparingly and make sure you use sunscreen

SarahMollie

OK, so I've been browsing on their website and have put the following in my basket.

-buffet
-advanced retinoid 2%
-azelaic acid suspension 10%
-vitamin C Suspension 23%
-hyaluronic acid
-100% organic cold pressed rose hip oil

So - first question - any obvious conflicts? either wiht other products in the range or my existing stuff? I remember hearing that Vitamin C reacts badly with something but can't remember what.

Second question - If I were to start using any of the above, what could I then remove from my existing routine? When things arent clearly called cleanser, serum, moisturizer, I just don't know where they slot in or if they're all just designed to be extra steps!

Third question - if I go ahead any buy it all, what order do I use them in?

GingerLily

You use them at the serum/moisturiser stage. The clearer/ thinner liquids first.

Avoid using acid toner, retinol/retenoid or vitamin C at the same time (too harsh to use together apparently).

Don't use vitamin C and Niacinamide together (cancel each other out).

Some experts advise to not use Hyaluronic acid under oil, the theory is that moisture can't get under the oil so it's useless to layer the two, I've heard it can even make skin dehydration worse as the hyaluronic acid can can absorb water from your skin. I cannot say of this is accurate but I don't mix the two.

njs030

SarahMollie wrote: »

OK, so I've been browsing on their website and have put the following in my basket.

-buffet
-advanced retinoid 2%
-azelaic acid suspension 10%
-vitamin C Suspension 23%
-hyaluronic acid
-100% organic cold pressed rose hip oil

So - first question - any obvious conflicts? either wiht other products in the range or my existing stuff? I remember hearing that Vitamin C reacts badly with something but can't remember what.

Second question - If I were to start using any of the above, what could I then remove from my existing routine? When things arent clearly called cleanser, serum, moisturizer, I just don't know where they slot in or if they're all just designed to be extra steps!

Third question - if I go ahead any buy it all, what order do I use them in?

Morning-
Cleanser
Eyecream
Buffet
Hyaluronic acid
Moisturiser
Make up etc

Same in the evening apart from nights where you substitute retinoid for moisturiser.

Retinoid should be used twice a week for a few weeks then three times for a few weeks then every second night. If your skin becomes red go back a step.

I'd suggest you get the niacinamide + zinc for your blemishes and the small bit of scarring and use it alternating with your moisturiser.

SarahMollie

Thanks so much ladies - I went ahead and placed an order this morning. There were 8 items in my basket! :O

As above, but also a primer and the Niacinamine as recommended above. Its very easy to keep adding things to my basket as the prices are just so reasonable. Think it came out about €66ish so very happy with that and now just cant wait for it to arrive! Unfortunately there seems to be quite a delay in deliveries as they're in such demand so might take about 2 weeks before I get my paws on them.

retro:electro

Edit: posted in wrong thread at first am moving to here.

Sorry to hijack but I got some of The Ordinary products a while back but haven't used them yet as have no clue how to introduce them into my night time routine (don't have time in am for much fawncy skincare) Any tips?
I got the Vitamin C Suspension 23%
Hyluronic Acid 2%
Advanced Retaniod 2%
Cold pressed rose hip seed oil

Nightly I am currently alternating between Sunday Riley Luna-retonid oil and Sunday Riley UFO- 1.5% salycylic acid. Would it be suitable to use The Ordinary products with these? Or will my face peel off?!

It's all too scientific for moi!

njs030

anna080 wrote: »

Edit: posted in wrong thread at first am moving to here.

Sorry to hijack but I got some of The Ordinary products a while back but haven't used them yet as have no clue how to introduce them into my night time routine (don't have time in am for much fawncy skincare) Any tips?
I got the Vitamin C Suspension 23%
Hyluronic Acid 2%
Advanced Retaniod 2%
Cold pressed rose hip seed oil

Nightly I am currently alternating between Sunday Riley Luna-retonid oil and Sunday Riley UFO- 1.5% salycylic acid. Would it be suitable to use The Ordinary products with these? Or will my face peel off?!

It's all too scientific for moi!

Well don't use two retinoid products at the same time so leave the Ordinary one aside until your current one is finished.

Use the hyaluronic acid in the morning, trust me it'll only take a second! It plumps up your skin and makes you look younger and more rested, before moisturiser if you use it or alone if you don't use anything!

retro:electro

notjustsweet wrote: »

Well don't use two retinoid products at the same time so leave the Ordinary one aside until your current one is finished.

Use the hyaluronic acid in the morning, trust me it'll only take a second! It plumps up your skin and makes you look younger and more rested, before moisturiser if you use it or alone if you don't use anything!

Thanks! I might just abandon the Luna for the time being and take up The Ordinary retinoid for now. Would you use the vitamin C under this?

njs030

anna080 wrote: »

Thanks! I might just abandon the Luna for the time being and take up The Ordinary retinoid for now. Would you use the vitamin C under this?

No use the retinoid on its own, just cleanse let your face dry for 10 mins and put it on.

You can't mix vitamin c with either acid you're using in your main moisturisers as it cancels them out so either add it as a 3rd day or as a stand alone treatment.

jadie

notjustsweet wrote: »

Well don't use two retinoid products at the same time so leave the Ordinary one aside until your current one is finished.

Use the hyaluronic acid in the morning, trust me it'll only take a second! It plumps up your skin and makes you look younger and more rested, before moisturiser if you use it or alone if you don't use anything!

You need to add moisturiser after Hyaluronic acid if it's a serum.You can use vit c and a retinol together as well, just not a retinol product in the am

njs030

jadie wrote: »

You need to add moisturiser after Hyaluronic acid if it's a serum.You can use vit c and a retinol together as well, just not a retinol product in the am

You're not meant to use retinoid and vitamin c at the same time, the vitamin c cancels out the effect of the retinoid. If you have a link saying otherwise I'd be happy to read it though?

The poster was saying she didn't have time in the mornings, using a serum alone is better than nothing as she specifically said she didn't want a long morning routine. Perhaps you didn't read it?

GingerLily

YouTube beauty editor Nadine Baggott has some great videos featuring some The Ordinary products, definitely check her out!

jadie

notjustsweet wrote: »

You're not meant to use retinoid and vitamin c at the same time, the vitamin c cancels out the effect of the retinoid. If you have a link saying otherwise I'd be happy to read it though?

The poster was saying she didn't have time in the mornings, using a serum alone is better than nothing as she specifically said she didn't want a long morning routine. Perhaps you didn't read it?

I did read it but no point in using serum without moisturiser is what I was saying. I'd recommend serum and spf moisturiser if short on time.Serum takes like 5 seconds to put on

jadie

http://www.paulaschoice.com/expert-advice/myths/_/five-retinol-myths-busted

GingerLily

jadie wrote: »

notjustsweet wrote: »

You're not meant to use retinoid and vitamin c at the same time, the vitamin c cancels out the effect of the retinoid. If you have a link saying otherwise I'd be happy to read it though?

The poster was saying she didn't have time in the mornings, using a serum alone is better than nothing as she specifically said she didn't want a long morning routine. Perhaps you didn't read it?

I did read it but no point in using serum without moisturiser is what I was saying. I'd recommend serum and spf moisturiser if short on time.Serum takes like 5 seconds to put on

I've read HA can be used without a moisturiser to give a tightening effect to the skin, so it really depends on what your after!

Sunny Dayz

So my order from The Ordinary arrived this morning.
Got: Vitamin C suspension, Hyaluronic acid, rosehip oil and a silicone primer
Now to figure out how to work in them into my routine.


Primer is fine, I know how to incorporate that, I'm nearly finished my current one so I'm looking forward to trying it out.


Current skincare routine is:

1. Micellar water to precleanse
2. No7 soft & sooth cleanser
3. Serum - Cien (lidl) gold serum in the morn (it's ok, I couldn't justify repurchasing the No7 much lauded serum with the price) and Aldi Q10 serum at night (love this, I'm on my 3rd bottle)
4. Moisturiser - Lacura Aldi Q10 moisturiser in the morn (it's only ok, I'm on the look out for a different moisturiser) and night time is also from Aldi, it's in a dark red container, quite like it.
5. Eye cream- same brand as the night moisturiser, used morning and night.

From what I can gather the Rosehip Oil is to be used at night. But when? And any idea when I can use the Hyaluronic and Vit c?

sashafierce

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cee_jay

I have ordered:
Niacinamide 10% - this is to try clear up some hormonal blemishes on my chin
Vit C suspension - from their site, you can't use this with niacinamide - so I may have to label the bottles
Caffeine solution - to target black circles under my eyes
High Adherence silicone primer - my smashbox photo finish is almost empty so said I'd try this out.

Looking forward to receiving the package now.

njs030

In case anyone missed it cloud 10 beauty have started selling the ordinary now!!

sashafierce

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AnnaSophia

cee_jay wrote: »

I have ordered:
Niacinamide 10% - this is to try clear up some hormonal blemishes on my chin
Vit C suspension - from their site, you can't use this with niacinamide - so I may have to label the bottles
Caffeine solution - to target black circles under my eyes
High Adherence silicone primer - my smashbox photo finish is almost empty so said I'd try this out.

Looking forward to receiving the package now.

Unless they've changed the packaging, the Vit C comes in a tube and not one of the glass dropper bottles, so you should be ok! I use the Niacinamide at night and the Vitamin C in the morning, I don't know if that's the right way of doing it but when I tried using the Vitamin C at night, it just made the rest of the products pill on my face, it takes a while to sink in.

SarahMollie

So I got my order! I only tried it last night for the first time and I'm sure I still have to refine my routine but I used the buffet, followed by the retinoid followed by rosehip oil and my skin felt lovely!

Didnt use anything this morning as I was late getting up but plan to play around again tonight and hopefully have a plan for tomorrow morning. I'm only going to introduce one product at a time in the morning because I want to make sure it will sit right under my make up, so going to take the gradual approach.

jadie

I also got my Deciem order. Bought direct from them. Got the retinol 2%, the hydraluroinc acid and got the hyladmide vit c serum, it's a good bit dearer than the ordinary one, but still reasonable compared to other vit c serums. I plan on using the vit c in the morning, the retinol and hyrdarluronic in the evening

SarahMollie

So having had my products a few days I'm loving them. Not 100% sure I have the hang of it all but even wtih my cac handed attempts my skin does feel really nice.

I probably bought too much stuff, but however its so inexpensive that who cares. I had a few small belmishes last week and I really think the Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% has been great for clearing them up.

There are definitely things from the range that I would rebuy and I might even buy another bottle of the rosehip oil to give to my mam. She's read all the press about the brand but don't think she'd be confident enough to order online. Also, the price for argan oil is brilliant so might get some of that for the occasional hair treatment.

I'm also running out of my current eye cream so I'm thinking of buying the one from Hylamide (same company, 1 step up from the ordinary) Its more expensive but still competitive in comparison to other products on the market. Has anyone tried it? http://hylamide.com/product/subq-eyes-15ml

JCC24

Hey looking for advice on treatment for hormonal acne - I've Trying to conceive for a year, as soon as I came off birth control I've had bad acne, a lot of scarring and pigmentation from it not to mention it wrecking my confidence- I fell pregnant but miscarried after 8 weeks, trying to conceive again and the acne is back, hard enough coming to terms with the miscarriage without feeling even more crap about myself - I've huge cysts that are sore- GP has said there's nothing that I can take since I'm trying to conceive again- anyone had similar experience? got any advice or tips?

njs030

JCC24 wrote: »

Hey looking for advice on treatment for hormonal acne - I've Trying to conceive for a year, as soon as I came off birth control I've had bad acne, a lot of scarring and pigmentation from it not to mention it wrecking my confidence- I fell pregnant but miscarried after 8 weeks, trying to conceive again and the acne is back, hard enough coming to terms with the miscarriage without feeling even more crap about myself - I've huge cysts that are sore- GP has said there's nothing that I can take since I'm trying to conceive again- anyone had similar experience? got any advice or tips?

I'm sorry to hear about your miscarriage, I hope you are coping and looking after yourself.

Are the cysts hard, painful bumps that never get a head?
I get these just before my period and the only thing that shrinks them is sudocream! The zinc kills the nasty little feckers.
Spread some on them for an hour or so each evening and then wipe off with a clean facecloth.

Sudocream is very drying though so do make sure to moisturise properly.

Once they start shrinking use eye primer on them to get concealer to stick.

Best of luck!!

Parchment

JCC24 wrote: »

Hey looking for advice on treatment for hormonal acne - I've Trying to conceive for a year, as soon as I came off birth control I've had bad acne, a lot of scarring and pigmentation from it not to mention it wrecking my confidence- I fell pregnant but miscarried after 8 weeks, trying to conceive again and the acne is back, hard enough coming to terms with the miscarriage without feeling even more crap about myself - I've huge cysts that are sore- GP has said there's nothing that I can take since I'm trying to conceive again- anyone had similar experience? got any advice or tips?

Sorry to hear about your miscarriage.

I had cystic acne for years and the product that cleared it for me is the DDF Sulphur Mask. I had acne on my face, back and chest. Sulphur is great for drying out cystic acne and controls redness.

The mask can be a bit drying overall but moisturise well and it will be fine.

I always have to buy it online - search DDF Sulphur Mask or DDF Sulfur Mask (as thats how they spell it in America!). Its a big tub and lasts a good while. Honestly it worked a treat for me. Good luck!

Sunny Dayz

I put in another order with The Ordinary:


Advanced Retinoid 2% http://theordinary.com/product/rdn-advanced-retinoid-2pct-30ml
Caffeine solution 5% http://theordinary.com/product/rdn-caffeine-solution-5pct-egcg-30ml
Coverage foundation 1.2N http://theordinary.com/product/rdn-coverage-foundation-12-n-eu-30ml
Serum Foundation 1.2N http://theordinary.com/product/rdn-serum-foundation-12-n-eu-30ml


I heard that the foundation had been released, apparently there was a waiting list so I jumped on the bandwagon for it. To be honest I hadn't a notion how to pick the correct shade so I've just taken a chance with this one. But sure for that price you can't go too far wrong! Have been notified it could take a while to ship but I'm not in a hurry.


Ordered the Retinoid as it seems to be recommended for anti aging.
The caffeine solution seems to be recommended for under eye area for dark circles which I certainly have. However it's also recommended for cellulite which due to unforgiving dressing room mirrors over the weekend I hadn't realised how bad mine was!


Of the products I've bought previously:
The Hyaluronic I use 2-3 times a week in place of my usual serum, I'm liking it.
The Rosehip oil I use once a week before bed.
Haven't used the Silcone primer, still using up the dregs of a few other brands of primer I have open here.
Vitamin C suspension, I've started to use this once a week, the texture of it is a little strange, it's a bit like an exfoliator. I've only used it a couple of time so haven't noticed anything with it as yet.

retro:electro

I hated the Vitamin C suspension. The texture is awful and made my clean skin feel so grubby and grimey. Wanted to wash my face again straight after. Didn't notice anything notable about my skin the next day either. I am liking the retinoid though. However I could take or leave the rosehip and the hyaluronic acid.

GingerLily

anna080 wrote: »

I hated the Vitamin C suspension. The texture is awful and made my clean skin feel so grubby and grimey. Wanted to wash my face again straight after. Didn't notice anything notable about my skin the next day either. I am liking the retinoid though. However I could take or leave the rosehip and the hyaluronic acid.

I love the effect of the Vitamin C suspension, but it keeps me smelling like oranges and sticky the next day even after I've showered etc. I don't like feeling sticky

I've just ordered the coverage foundation, caffeine solution and the buffet. Really hope the buffet can replace my Vichy Aqualia serum, I was hoping the HA 2% would but it's not as nice at all.

Not mad about the Niaciminde, really like the retinol, and their facial oils are great too (rose hip and argan).

Sunny Dayz

A blog post here by the fab blogger John, It's only Makeup in relation to the Vitamin C Suspension - a great read!


http://johnitsonlymakeup.ie/hand-smelled-weird-whole-week-full-story/

Wexy86

Can't order the foundations at the mo due to the volume already gone in :-( if you use findation.com it might help for a colour match. I put in 1.2N only and it spit out similar to Mac NC25 or Double wear 2N1 desert beige.


I'm putting in an order for a few bits and I would love to get something that would clear up the kilaris pilaris in my upper arms? Any suggestions?

GingerLily

Wexy86 wrote: »

Can't order the foundations at the mo due to the volume already gone in :-( if you use findation.com it might help for a colour match. I put in 1.2N only and it spit out similar to Mac NC25 or Double wear 2N1 desert beige.


I'm putting in an order for a few bits and I would love to get something that would clear up the kilaris pilaris in my upper arms? Any suggestions?

One of the exfoliators, they've a lactic acid, glycolic acid and another AHA / BHA which I'd imagine would all help with the dead skin issue!

njs030

Wexy86 wrote: »

I'm putting in an order for a few bits and I would love to get something that would clear up the kilaris pilaris in my upper arms? Any suggestions?

If a a doctor has diagnosed it for you they can prescribe retinoid at a stronger strength then any you will buy, otherwise get the retinoid or lactic acid. You probably know to use a non drying soap and moisturiser with added oils to keep your skin soft.
The waxperts pads have salycylic acid are very good as well for clearing the skin you could alternate between them and the retinoid.

pemtca

Wexy86 wrote: »

Can't order the foundations at the mo due to the volume already gone in :-( if you use findation.com it might help for a colour match. I put in 1.2N only and it spit out similar to Mac NC25 or Double wear 2N1 desert beige.


I'm putting in an order for a few bits and I would love to get something that would clear up the kilaris pilaris in my upper arms? Any suggestions?

Lactic acid should help with this

Sunny Dayz

Wexy86 wrote: »

Can't order the foundations at the mo due to the volume already gone in :-( if you use findation.com it might help for a colour match. I put in 1.2N only and it spit out similar to Mac NC25 or Double wear 2N1 desert beige.

Ah sugars that's probably going to be too dark for me. Might get away with it in the summer with a tan.

SarahMollie

Wexy86 wrote: »

Can't order the foundations at the mo due to the volume already gone in :-( if you use findation.com it might help for a colour match. I put in 1.2N only and it spit out similar to Mac NC25 or Double wear 2N1 desert beige.

Oh I was going to order 1.2Y but going by what you've said above that might be too dark for me. I'd be NC15 in MAC or 1n2 Ecru in Doublewear.

I couldnt find the ordinary on findation, but maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Wexy86

There's a good array of shades so hopefully it will match, sometimes the site can be a bit hit and miss. Do let us know how it compares shade wise once received

https://findation.com/searches/5027944

idunno78

Wayne goss has a video on the foundations! In the comment section he had the comparison to macs foundations!

erica74

I bought these: Buffet, Hyaluronic Acid 2% + B5 and Advanced Retinoid 2% to start with.

I have used the Buffet and the Hyaluronic Acid 2% 3 times and I used the Advanced Retinoid 2% tonight for the first time.
I haven't had a reaction to any of them yet. I have sensitive skin but I think a better description of my skin would be "reactionary". I have eczema as well so my skin is a bit problematic at times. I'm also studying for end of term exams at the moment so my skin is also dealing with that!

I have to say, I know it's very early but I have noticed a difference in my skin already. My skin seems a lot calmer and looks and feels smoother. Old scars from spots seem to look a bit lighter and less noticeable.

Does anyone else have any feedback from their usage so far?

erica74

Also, just wanted to add that I think the Deciem website is excellent. The information is so detailed and the website functions perfectly.
And I love that they have this message on at the moment

We are experiencing an extremely high volume of orders. As a result, we expect a delay of up to 10 days to be able to fulfill new orders. We are working hard to put in place additional resources as quickly as possible to restore our service standard. Thank you for your kind patience with us.

I wish more companies would follow their lead. I'm about to place another order and am in no way put off by being told there will be a delay. OTHER BRANDS TAKE NOTE!!

Wexy86

erica74 wrote: »

Also, just wanted to add that I think the Deciem website is excellent


I wish more companies would follow their lead. I'm about to place another order and am in no way put off by being told there will be a delay. OTHER BRANDS TAKE NOTE!!

Completely agree. Like their overall brand aesthetic the messages about stock and shipping are simple, clear and consise. Now in saying that I didn't have the patience to wait so ordered via Asos, should be here within 5 working days, they also had the rose hip oil in stock too if anyone was looking to purchase.

Parchment

erica74 wrote: »

I bought these: Buffet, Hyaluronic Acid 2% + B5 and Advanced Retinoid 2% to start with.

I have used the Buffet and the Hyaluronic Acid 2% 3 times and I used the Advanced Retinoid 2% tonight for the first time.
I haven't had a reaction to any of them yet. I have sensitive skin but I think a better description of my skin would be "reactionary". I have eczema as well so my skin is a bit problematic at times. I'm also studying for end of term exams at the moment so my skin is also dealing with that!

I have to say, I know it's very early but I have noticed a difference in my skin already. My skin seems a lot calmer and looks and feels smoother. Old scars from spots seem to look a bit lighter and less noticeable.

Does anyone else have any feedback from their usage so far?

Use the retinoid maybe once a week first to build up if your skin is reactionary. i dont have experience with that specific product but i have been using a 0.05% Retinaldehyde product for a long time and even though its a gentle product i really had to build up to be able to use it every second night.

erica74

Parchment wrote: »

Use the retinoid maybe once a week first to build up if your skin is reactionary. i dont have experience with that specific product but i have been using a 0.05% Retinaldehyde product for a long time and even though its a gentle product i really had to build up to be able to use it every second night.

Yeah I'm just starting with once a week for now. I used it last night for the first time and I'm going to leave then until next Friday again because my skin would be a bit reactionary and although I didn't notice any reaction to the Retinoid last night or this morning, I don't want to overload my skin.

Parchment

erica74 wrote: »

Yeah I'm just starting with once a week for now. I used it last night for the first time and I'm going to leave then until next Friday again because my skin would be a bit reactionary and although I didn't notice any reaction to the Retinoid last night or this morning, I don't want to overload my skin.

Thats the best way!

erica74

Parchment wrote: »

Thats the best way!

Also ordered a few more bits :P so I'm defo taking my time - they've advised they're experiencing delays though so it'll probably be a couple of weeks before I can introduce more stuff anyway.