Tractor NCT

Reggie.

Looks like there will be a tractor NCT from possibly next year for tractors 4 years and older.

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/nct-for-tractors-from-2018-260859

Base price

Reggie. wrote: »

Looks like there will be a tractor NCT from possibly next year for tractors 4 years and older.

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/nct-for-tractors-from-2018-260859

Mmm - tbh my opinion is divided on this.

casscass4444

Another fund raiser for the rob job nation.how would you even be expected to get a tractor to a test centre if you lived far away?pay someone to low load it in for you or hit the road early in the morning and hope she doesn't over heat on route? Better bring a flask aswell I suppose.country is run into the ground and getting worse by the day.

Suckler

Simply following the times. Tractors have gotten bigger, more powerful and faster. You can't have something 120 H/p + doing 40Kph+ carying heavy loads without some sort of test to say its safe to do so.

_Brian

What's the story across Europe where bigger numbers of large tractors are common on the roads ??

I also think there is some justification for a test of some sorts. I see a lot of tractors on the road round me and it's obvious they're not roadworthy in terms of lights alone.

The practicality of getting to a test centre shouldn't be too big as it's more likely to be a DOE rather than nct and there are doe centres in many more towns.

emaherx

Base price wrote: »

Mmm - tbh my opinion is divided on this.

It's true Base it will be seen as more money for the boys.

But at the same time condition of some machines I come across on the road is shocking. I see one machine regularly beside me at night that is only about 6 years old and has no taillights, one head light and about 6 ploughing lamps lit. If lads won't look after the basics what else are they neglecting?

I'm glad this is only covering the higher speed machines for now.

Username John

What's the just of the article? (The full article is only available to those rich farmers that subscribe to the journal)

All tractors or just ones over a certain age, or speed?

Atlantic Dawn

If you look at the Garda Traffic Twitter account recently it's no wonder it's coming, recent gems include a tractor driving on the road with 3 wheels.

Suckler

Username John wrote: »

What's the just of the article? (The full article is only available to those rich farmers that subscribe to the journal)

All tractors or just ones over a certain age, or speed?

"The tests will be required for tractors capable of driving at 40km/h or more. About half of the 120hp-plus tractors being bought by farmers and contractors fall into this category."

Also -
"The RSA said testing will be required for tractors mainly used for hauling for hire and reward or on the owner’s “own account”. Interpretation of this could prove controversial. Among the tasks that could be included are hauling of grain to co-ops or merchant yards, collection of animal feed from mills, transport of bales, and transport of livestock to marts and processing plants."

emaherx

_Brian wrote: »

The practicality of getting to a test centre shouldn't be too big as it's more likely to be a DOE rather than nct and there are doe centres in many more towns.

The big question is will these centres be able to cope with the extra work load.

davidk1394

Once it isn't too strict and is priced fairly, I'm kinda for it to be honest. There's a lot of lads out there with absolute balls of scrap on the road these days

tractorporn

davidk1394 wrote:

Once it isn't too strict and is priced fairly, I'm kinda for it to be honest. There's a lot of lads out there with absolute balls of scrap on the road these days

Agree with David there. But I think where most people's fears are coming from are experiences from the NCT. It will probably will be really strict on silly stuff like mudguards or something and miss other actual dangerous stuff.

yessam

In fairness the bigger tractors are usually maintained well. It's the older smaller tractors that are pulled out for hay making and drawing bales during the summer are the one's with the most defects. Lights, brakes, tyres, etc

davidk1394

yessam wrote: »

In fairness the bigger tractors are usually maintained well. It's the older smaller tractors that are pulled out for hay making and drawing bales during the summer are the one's with the most defects. Lights, brakes, tyres, etc

Are they just testing to see if tractors are fit for the road or what ?

Reggie.

davidk1394 wrote: »

Are they just testing to see if tractors are fit for the road or what ?

I think upfront it's mainly a visual inspection of lights, panels, glass and mirrors and then some sort of brake test

Emissions test aswell

Jack the Stripper

5 penalty points and €3000 fine. It's worse this country is getting. Trying to ride us from every angle.

lakill Farm

tractorporn wrote: »

Agree with David there. But I think where most people's fears are coming from are experiences from the NCT. It will probably will be really strict on silly stuff like mudguards or something and miss other actual dangerous stuff.

NCT get an awful wrap, look at all the piles of scrap that were taken off the road. At the same time DOE was a joke. I had a jeep that passed the DOE and truthfully the inspector shouldn't have been allowed test "rolly " tractors.

Its only in the 2/3 years the DOE/CVRT has been regulated to the same level.

We have 2 c4 car vans here. they are €112 to DOE each year. takes 90 mins to get them done. If the car had rear seats and wasn't commercial the NCT would be €55 every second year and take 30/40 mins

casscass4444

emaherx wrote: »

The big question is will these centres be able to cope with the extra work load.

And which ones will be willing to take a nifty fifty for a backhander since it will be local.what about the elderly farmers who might only have a harmless old tractor for leaving in a bale and carting out the odd shed."sorry sir your cab is rusty and a couple of lights missing.cab will cost you more than tractor is worth".no bother Johnny thanks for that priceless information.see you next week".ffs.country is fxxked lads

casscass4444

lakill Farm wrote: »

NCT get an awful wrap, look at all the piles of scrap that were taken off the road. At the same time DOE was a joke. I had a jeep that passed the DOE and truthfully the inspector shouldn't have been allowed test "rolly " tractors.

Its only in the 2/3 years the DOE/CVRT has been regulated to the same level.

We have 2 c4 car vans here. they are €112 to DOE each year. takes 90 mins to get them done. If the car had rear seats and wasn't commercial the NCT would be €55 every second year and take 30/40 mins

Tested a car last week in nct and the pig testing it damaged the car which I not only had to pay to test,had to watch and had to repair.no wonder they get a bad rep.you would wonder how the good people of this country got things done in the 80s and 90s at all.

casscass4444

davidk1394 wrote: »

Are they just testing to see if tractors are fit for the road or what ?

No they are just trying another angle at getting inside your pockets.most of the chimps they will put testing tractors will probably need to shnapchat a selfie of themselves with the tractor to show the boys since it will probably be their first time ever seeing one.

Sam Kade

lakill Farm wrote: »

NCT get an awful wrap, look at all the piles of scrap that were taken off the road. At the same time DOE was a joke. I had a jeep that passed the DOE and truthfully the inspector shouldn't have been allowed test "rolly " tractors.

Its only in the 2/3 years the DOE/CVRT has been regulated to the same level.

We have 2 c4 car vans here. they are €112 to DOE each year. takes 90 mins to get them done. If the car had rear seats and wasn't commercial the NCT would be €55 every second year and take 30/40 mins

A neighbour of mine recently took his car for the nct and they said it wasn't fit to be on the road and put a do not drive sticker on it. He had no way home so he waited around a while whipped off the sticker and drove home and drove the car for a few months after until he changed it.

Sam Kade

casscass4444 wrote: »

And which ones will be willing to take a nifty fifty for a backhander since it will be local.what about the elderly farmers who might only have a harmless old tractor for leaving in a bale and carting out the odd shed."sorry sir your cab is rusty and a couple of lights missing.cab will cost you more than tractor is worth".no bother Johnny thanks for that priceless information.see you next week".ffs.country is fxxked lads

But it's only for tractors doing 40kph or more.

Jack the Stripper

Sam Kade wrote: »

A neighbour of mine recently took his car for the nct and they said it wasn't fit to be on the road and put a do not drive sticker on it. He had no way home so he waited around a while whipped off the sticker and drove home and drove the car for a few months after until he changed it.

You can't educate stupid. Was it corrosion on brake lines maybe?

ezra_

Sam Kade wrote: »

A neighbour of mine recently took his car for the nct and they said it wasn't fit to be on the road and put a do not drive sticker on it. He had no way home so he waited around a while whipped off the sticker and drove home and drove the car for a few months after until he changed it.

Had he an accident, he would have suddenly found out he wasn't insured.

There are a few tractors on the roads near me that are frightening at night. No real lights at all.

Whereas the bigger machines I pass that seem to be always on the roads look to be in great nick and you can see from miles away. Still though, a good thing if it tightens up the dodgy ninja tractors that are about.

Sam Kade

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

You can't educate stupid. Was it corrosion on brake lines maybe?

Something serious like that, what's worse is that he left his daughter drive it to college as well :eek:

aujopimur

While the're testing the tractors, the farmers should be given a rules of road the test.

casscass4444

Sam Kade wrote: »

But it's only for tractors doing 40kph or more.

That will be for the first month or two and then surprise surprise they will have to do all tractors.it will be ride on lawnmowers then shortly followed by buggies for kids.anything to get their greasy hands into your pocket.pr1ck of a country.the normal everyday working man gets fuxxed and the frauds and thieves thrive.

ganmo

Sam Kade wrote: »

A neighbour of mine recently took his car for the nct and they said it wasn't fit to be on the road and put a do not drive sticker on it. He had no way home so he waited around a while whipped off the sticker and drove home and drove the car for a few months after until he changed it.

He's an eejit they only do it when something is really wrong. I hope he told whoever bought it that it wasn't safe to be on the road.

I wonder is it the hauliers pushing for this or do the rsa want everything on the road tested

Testacalda

_Brian wrote: »

it's more likely to be a DOE rather than nct and there are doe centres in many more towns.

Its not really as simple as turning up to a HGV test centre. I would imagine there would have to be a lot of investment in a new setup to test tractors, if the need to put them on a lift to inspect them or test brakes on a rolling road etc... Also the testers need to be qualified mechanics in the category that they are testing. its a requirement to be qualified to get a test licence. If the same rules are followed, that would mean that only qualified agri mechanics could test tractors,

However a visiual inspection and inertia brake test carried out by licenced tester would probably suffice, just to get the ball rolling on testing.

I remeber a story a friend told me back in the 90s when he was in university in the uk. They were doing a masters project on farm machinery roadworthyness and as part of the project they put a brand new (at the time) 4wd John Deere 6800 on a rolling road to do a brake test. So with the rear axle on the rolling road and wheels running at about 15 to 20 mph they went for the first test.... and the inevitable happened :pac:

Nekarsulm

Quote from cascas4444. "anything to get their greasy hands into your pocket.pr1ck of a country.the normal everyday working man gets fuxxed and the frauds and thieves thrive."


I heard a chap on RTE Radio 1 this morning, putting the case for private wells to come under the control of the EPA.

EPA claim that 60,000 private wells are contaminated with E-Coli. Don't know how they know this, and also I don't know why 60,000 rural families are not camped out in A&E on a regular basis, but in any case, it sounds the first shots in a campaign to gain control of ground water.

ganmo

Testacalda wrote: »

Its not really as simple as turning up to a HGV test centre. I would imagine there would have to be a lot of investment in a new setup to test tractors, if the need to put them on a lift to inspect them or test brakes on a rolling road etc... Also the testers need to be qualified mechanics in the category that they are testing. its a requirement to be qualified to get a test licence. If the same rules are followed, that would mean that only qualified agri mechanics could test tractors,

However a visiual inspection and inertia brake test carried out by licenced tester would probably suffice, just to get the ball rolling on testing.

I remeber a story a friend told me back in the 90s when he was in university in the uk. They were doing a masters project on farm machinery roadworthyness and as part of the project they put a brand new (at the time) 4wd John Deere 6800 on a rolling road to do a brake test. So with the rear axle on the rolling road and wheels running at about 15 to 20 mph they went for the first test.... and the inevitable happened :pac:

The rolling road broke?

Nekarsulm

ganmo wrote: »

The rolling road broke?

That, or she dropped into 4wd and jumped forward.

lakill Farm

casscass4444 wrote: »

Tested a car last week in nct and the pig testing it damaged the car which I not only had to pay to test,had to watch and had to repair.no wonder they get a bad rep.you would wonder how the good people of this country got things done in the 80s and 90s at all.

why don't you contact them, complain and sue them. they have close to 100% cctv coverage so you should easily win that one.

lakill Farm

Sam Kade wrote: »

A neighbour of mine recently took his car for the nct and they said it wasn't fit to be on the road and put a do not drive sticker on it. He had no way home so he waited around a while whipped off the sticker and drove home and drove the car for a few months after until he changed it.

surprised he didn't pay the retest fee, do no work on it and jaysus it passed

that's the usual fabricated stories you hear

lakill Farm

Testacalda wrote: »

Its not really as simple as turning up to a HGV test centre. I would imagine there would have to be a lot of investment in a new setup to test tractors, if the need to put them on a lift to inspect them or test brakes on a rolling road etc... Also the testers need to be qualified mechanics in the category that they are testing. its a requirement to be qualified to get a test licence. If the same rules are followed, that would mean that only qualified agri mechanics could test tractors,

However a visiual inspection and inertia brake test carried out by licenced tester would probably suffice, just to get the ball rolling on testing.

I remeber a story a friend told me back in the 90s when he was in university in the uk. They were doing a masters project on farm machinery roadworthyness and as part of the project they put a brand new (at the time) 4wd John Deere 6800 on a rolling road to do a brake test. So with the rear axle on the rolling road and wheels running at about 15 to 20 mph they went for the first test.... and the inevitable happened :pac:

4 wheel drive braking

or its a john deere and it blew a piston up the exhaust

Bass Reeves

Another reason to stay with a 2wd tractor or a 4WD that the box will not exceed 40kph. Have two tractors here a Ford 6610 and a Case CX80 from reading the article both are exempt. Happy days. It really brings contracting out as much as possible especially any road work into focus. Hard to see the tractor test coming in sub 200 euro and the cost of getting it to the text center. At present tractor insurance is hitting about 300 for comprehensive, and the road tax after than. By the time I have both tractors taxed and insured it is hitting 800 euro. Add up the diesel and maintenance if I have to add in two tests at 200 a pop and you be hitting 2k/ year to help them on the road.

Really considering only using one on the road so as to reduce cost.

X6.430macman

Just think about it...tractors doing less than 40k are older and more dangerous and neglected so they should fall into the test before bigger tractors imao

pedigree 6

X6.430macman wrote: »

Just think about it...tractors doing less than 40k are older and more dangerous and neglected so they should fall into the test before bigger tractors imao

It's bull**it. It should be ALL tractors or no tractors.

It's just being brought in by the haulage industry lobbying the government for this.
Nothing else.

It's nothing to do with safety or else the scrap bucket 30k's would be tested too.

Just like the microchips for dogs and horses.
They had nothing to do with animal welfare or worrying sheep.
But all to do with Income tax collection.
Again nothing else.

And as Neckarsulm said about the private wells.
The government are chancing their arm about the statement about polluted wells.
Have a well here it's tested every 12 months in the lab in bagnelstown and paid for by myself.
As well as the cost of drilling, esb and pump maintenance all myself.
This is just the governments play to take control and bring in more revenue from the soft touches.
Again nothing else.

Bass Reeves

X6.430macman wrote: »

Just think about it...tractors doing less than 40k are older and more dangerous and neglected so they should fall into the test before bigger tractors imao

Not necessarily, you also have to factor in that a lot of newer and higher speed tractors are on the road much more than older tractor. My tractors are seldom on the road. Main reason that they are taxed and insured is that I have to cross a by road as land on both sides of it. As well a lad driving a tractor with a 25 or 30k box will have longer reaction time when an incident occurs than a lad on a newer faster tractor.

pedigree 6

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not necessarily, you also have to factor in that a lot of newer and higher speed tractors are on the road much more than older tractor. My tractors are seldom on the road. Main reason that they are taxed and insured is that I have to cross a by road as land on both sides of it. As well a lad driving a tractor with a 25 or 30k box will have longer reaction time when an incident occurs than a lad on a newer faster tractor.

Newer faster tractors have better brakes and air brakes on the trailers.
The 25 or 30k have the dry brakes and usually no brakes on the trailers.

I know which one i'd rather pull anchor on.:pac:

emaherx

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/pic-uninsured-ford-tractor-seized-by-gardai-in-wicklow/

People say we don't need testing. But 2 farmers caught driving missing a wheel in a week

Nekarsulm

emaherx wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/pic-uninsured-ford-tractor-seized-by-gardai-in-wicklow/

People say we don't need testing. But 2 farmers caught driving missing a wheel in a week

All the tests in the world wouldn't prevent a lad doing something stupid....

Reggie.

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Another reason to stay with a 2wd tractor or a 4WD that the box will not exceed 40kph. Have two tractors here a Ford 6610 and a Case CX80 from reading the article both are exempt. Happy days. It really brings contracting out as much as possible especially any road work into focus. Hard to see the tractor test coming in sub 200 euro and the cost of getting it to the text center. At present tractor insurance is hitting about 300 for comprehensive, and the road tax after than. By the time I have both tractors taxed and insured it is hitting 800 euro. Add up the diesel and maintenance if I have to add in two tests at 200 a pop and you be hitting 2k/ year to help them on the road.

Really considering only using one on the road so as to reduce cost.

Only a matter of time till all tractors have to be tested

patsy_mccabe

emaherx wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/pic-uninsured-ford-tractor-seized-by-gardai-in-wicklow/

People say we don't need testing. But 2 farmers caught driving missing a wheel in a week

A few years back the front bearing went on my tractor. The wheel came off and just fell on the ground. A neighbour came along and used the powerbox to lift the axle up that bit so I could wedge a bit of timber in there, so I could drive it the mile home. Met a young couple in a D reg car along the way. They got a great laugh out of it.

Bass Reeves

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Newer faster tractors have better brakes and air brakes on the trailers.
The 25 or 30k have the dry brakes and usually no brakes on the trailers.

I know which one i'd rather pull anchor on.:pac:

The newer faster tractor would be pulling heavier loads and at higher speeds as well as longer distances. Older tractors are limited to towing three times there unladen weoght which means a 390 4wd would be limited to drawing 10 ton including trailer. Taking that a smallish trailer would still be hitting two ton a lad with such a tractor is limited to a trailer with 10 bales of silage. There is a big difference to seeing a lad with a modern tractor with maybe 20 bales of silage on it. As well lad with these tractors will not be able to draw for hire AFAIK with new regulations.

casscass4444

lakill Farm wrote: »

why don't you contact them, complain and sue them. they have close to 100% cctv coverage so you should easily win that one.

Wouldn't be like that myself.despise the compo,insurance obsessed nation Ireland has become.wouldnt have the time or the interest either even if I had to.to fcuk with it.fixed it up,paid twice plus parts money and passed.nct cert wouldn't be worth wiping your arse with just another farce to force you to dig deep and pay up

J.O. Farmer

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

A few years back the front bearing went on my tractor. The wheel came off and just fell on the ground. A neighbour came along and used the powerbox to lift the axle up that bit so I could wedge a bit of timber in there, so I could drive it the mile home. Met a young couple in a D reg car along the way. They got a great laugh out of it.

If you'd met the garda shikoloni these days they'd get a great laugh too and have you up on twitter.
After that they'd get a great bonus commission or whatever the incentive is for fining you.

kay 9

How do they know which tractors are 30 or 40k+? Have they a database or how's this going to work? Don't mind the test myself tbh as I keep my gear as close to original as possible but don't fancy the extra expense or the journey to the centre.

X6.430macman

kay 9 wrote:

How do they know which tractors are 30 or 40k+? Have they a database or how's this going to work? Don't mind the test myself tbh as I keep my gear as close to original as possible but don't fancy the extra expense or the journey to the centre.

And that will be another problem. The gob****es that will test these won't have a clue whats what so it won't even be a test just a turn up and if she looks dodgey just fail her

f140

Lads where are these money racket scams going to stop. So I will have 4 yolks to test (f140, 110-90 ,5000 and 860 digger). Presumably there wont be any change of a €100 per tractor test. Then tax the yolks on top of this (that's the bones of another €400) and insure them then after (which has to be done anyway so you would get over that).


4 yolks would quickly be turning into 1 yolk with a loader on it if I didn't do my own silage where I need all the machines.


I'm thinking it would be a good time to open up a doe centre and train your son up to be a mechanic to test the stuff during the day and fix the stuff at night for the farmers to pass the test

casscass4444

f140 wrote: »

Lads where are these money racket scams going to stop. So I will have 4 yolks to test (f140, 110-90 ,5000 and 860 digger). Presumably there wont be any change of a €100 per tractor test. Then tax the yolks on top of this (that's the bones of another €400) and insure them then after (which has to be done anyway so you would get over that).


4 yolks would quickly be turning into 1 yolk with a loader on it if I didn't do my own silage where I need all the machines.


I'm thinking it would be a good time to open up a doe centre and train your son up to be a mechanic to test the stuff during the day and fix the stuff at night for the farmers to pass the test

When you get notified to bring them in tell them you got out of farming years ago cos there was no money out of it and say your on the scratch now cos of the anxiety you got from having to give up the farming.
Go as far as saying that when you see a pair of wellingtons now you break down in tears reminiscing the good old days.dont forget to hide the machines round the back though