2017 Dublin Pride Parade route

highdef

Hi, does anyone know if the 2017 Dublin Pride Parade route will be the same as in recent years? To be more exact, will it finish on Merrion Square? With all the LUAS works going on, I'm not sure if there will be any route changes this year.

I'm just beginning to get involved in a company event and we may be organising refreshments for the end of the parade. Knowing where the parade will end will help us find somewhere nearby.

Thanks in advance.

baby and crumble

Best thing to do is contact the Pride committee directly. I don't know if anyone on boards is directly involved.

highdef

Thanks baby and crumble. A colleague sent an email over a week ago to the committee but has not had any reply yet so thought I'd ask here in the meantime. Not to worry though....I may send an email to them as well. Can do no harm.
Cheers.

Ash885

I know the Paddys Day route has changed, and judging by how much of a shambles some of the roads are in right now would be surprised they'd be finished by June.

highdef

Ash885 wrote: »

I know the Paddys Day route has changed, and judging by how much of a shambles some of the roads are in right now would be surprised they'd be finished by June.

Thank you, that's what I'm thinking too. It seems difficult to get an answer so maybe the answer is simply not known yet.

L1011

Track laying works are effectively complete, bar some surface dressing. Its wiring from here on, which is easily tidied up for a brief period if need be. Google will have to lay off the massive Android balloon with even more obstructions though (had the existing Luas wires and two rail bridges on the more recent route)

Annasopra

Looks like the route is changing significantly

http://theoutmost.com/news/major-change-dublin-pride-parade-route/

Mr.Frame

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Looks like the route is changing significantly

http://theoutmost.com/news/major-change-dublin-pride-parade-route/

Oh dear, I have to say that proposed route is just daft and quite frankly you may as well forget about the whole thing.
Its taking the parade and festivities out of the city and away from everything .

I cannot see the powers that be allowing the parade go down Georges St , which means directing it across Kevin St and away from town, again is ridiculous and pointless.

What the point is having a parade if it is going to be going effecting along back streets and out of town.

Annasopra

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Oh dear, I have to say that proposed route is just daft and quite frankly you may as well forget about the whole thing.
Its taking the parade and festivities out of the city and away from everything .

I cannot see the powers that be allowing the parade go down Georges St , which means directing it across Kevin St and away from town, again is ridiculous and pointless.

What the point is having a parade if it is going to be going effecting along back streets and out of town.

Actually I think it is quite a good route. They need somewhere suitable to end it and Smithfield is a good idea. Still quite close to city centre. We dont yet the route so I wouldnt presume its allback streets.

TheFitz13

I thought the current route was so good. Merrions square also had a great buzz to it and the surrounding area was also great. I definitely don't see Smithfield making the same kind of atmosphere. Extremely dissapointed.

Mr.Frame

The proposed route is would be Stephens Green onto Cuffe St, Kevin St then possibly up Bride St (or directly onto onto St Patricks St from Kevin St ) onto Nicolas St Bridge St onto Church St ..

All of which are effectively back streets.

Many of those streets are offices and with little or foot people on paths as it were on a saturday.

The whole point of a Parade and the fun of the parade is when its visible and many many people throughout the city stop and clap/wave at the parade, it adds to the atmosphere.

There is no point in having a pride parade if it not visible to many.

In recent years when the parade has been diverted down Eden Quay onto Lombard St , it loses its atmosphere completely and it ruins it.

IF and its a big IF the parade is allowed to go down Georges St then it will be far better and it will be a far better atmosphere for all

Nokia6230i

Folks, please remember the Pride Parade route isn't simply dictated by the board; there's other stakeholders like AGS/DCC who have the final say.

Length wise it's broadly similar no matter whether Georges St. or Kevin St. option chosen to the Parnell Sq./Merrion Sq. route of the last number of years.

While I appreciate people might have issues with back streets bear in mind the numbers participating in the parade itself will be circa 3.5k and the crowd on site @ SSG in the morning will follow the parade to its conclusion.

It's not going to be dull as ditch water; those participating in the parade won't permit it to be so; it's they who make Pride Parade what it is.

Mr.Frame

Nokia6230i wrote: »

Folks, please remember the Pride Parade route isn't simply dictated by the board; there's other stakeholders like AGS/DCC who have the final say.

Length wise it's broadly similar no matter whether Georges St. or Kevin St. option chosen to the Parnell Sq./Merrion Sq. route of the last number of years.

While I appreciate people might have issues with back streets bear in mind the numbers participating in the parade itself will be circa 3.5k and the crowd on site @ SSG in the morning will follow the parade to its conclusion.

It's not going to be dull as ditch water; those participating in the parade won't permit it to be so; it's they who make Pride Parade what it is.

But do you not get that pride parades throughout the world go through the centre of cities, adding to the atmosphere .

If the Kevin St route is taken, well imo the parade is a waste and effectively hidden away

Annasopra

Mr.Frame wrote: »

But do you not get that pride parades throughout the world go through the centre of cities, adding to the atmosphere .

If the Kevin St route is taken, well imo the parade is a waste and effectively hidden away

In fairness I don't think anyone disagrees with you. The point is that DCC and AGS may have the final say on this so don't start placing all the blame on the pride committee.

baby and crumble

With all the works going on in the city I can't think of any route that would bring you central. Last years parade was a bit of a nightmare because of works on O'Connell St and this is ten times worse this year. With all the barricades it could actually be pretty dangerous.

Might have to take it on the chin so to speak. would it be better to have no parade at all?

Mr.Frame

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

In fairness I don't think anyone disagrees with you. The point is that DCC and AGS may have the final say on this so don't start placing all the blame on the pride committee.

Please point out to me as to where in any of my above comments did I blame the pride committee.

40040D

highdef wrote: »

Hi, does anyone know if the 2017 Dublin Pride Parade route will be the same as in recent years? To be more exact, will it finish on Merrion Square? With all the LUAS works going on, I'm not sure if there will be any route changes this year.

I'm just beginning to get involved in a company event and we may be organising refreshments for the end of the parade. Knowing where the parade will end will help us find somewhere nearby.

Thanks in advance.

Just saw this on the FB page of Dublin LGBTQ Pride

www.facebook.com/DublinPride/photos/a.92891852842.88848.86372982842/10154681991042843/?type=3&theater

Mr.Frame

Absolutely ridiculous route. How the Pride committee agreed to this is mind boggling.

Cannot see any reason why it could not have gone down Georges St.

A pride parade in every other city in the world goes through the centre of town.

gizmo81

Homonormativity

A politics that does not contest dominant heteronormative assumptions and institutions, but upholds and sustains them, while promising the possibility of a demobilized gay constituency and a privatized, depoliticized gay culture anchored in domesticity and consumption" (Duggan 2003)


I am of the belief that Dublin Pride forget the origins of the Gay Rights Movement. They are depoliticised in my opinion.

"It's possible that we may have reached our peak, because essentially we're a political movement that fights for equal rights and you could argue that as of this year we've gained that," said Mr Flynn.

"So much of it revolves around businesses that are particularly supportive of the LGBTQ community, the George pub being one of them, so to a certain extent it wouldn't really make sense to have a festival that's away from the city centre.

http://www.herald.ie/news/no-sense-to-move-gay-pride-march-out-of-city-centre-31405055.html


The fact that the head of Pride believes the referendum was the 'peak' of equality leaves me disappointed. The referendum was tokenism as nothing has changed, access to equal education, access to health, these are just some outward facing issues. it'll be a long time before we can face the issues inward.

With the current issues facing the LGBTQI+ community we need the likes of Kramer, ACT-UP back.

The current board of Pride have made too many mistakes in my opinion from route to banning community organisations

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056978396

We have one day a year to claim the streets, it's something worth fighting for I believe.

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Absolutely ridiculous route. How the Pride committee agreed to this is mind boggling.

Cannot see any reason why it could not have gone down Georges St.

A pride parade in every other city in the world goes through the centre of town.

Annasopra

The route isn't great I agree but

A) The decision wasn't entirely in the hands of the pride board to make
Bringing in an unrelated issue related to a long time ago that is nothing to do with the current board and that was resolved at the time is frankly absurd.

gizmo81

I'm sorry that you feel my point is absurd.

I feel I substantiated my claim that Dublin Pride is depoliticised and have not made great choices in recent years. I stand by that claim.

The pride route is a political decision, while you state that the decision of the route isn't entirely in the hands of the board, it is the spirit of the gay rights movement to make it their decision!

Moving it from the City centre takes away our agency.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The route isn't great I agree but

A) The decision wasn't entirely in the hands of the pride board to make
Bringing in an unrelated issue related to a long time ago that is nothing to do with the current board and that was resolved at the time is frankly absurd.

Annasopra

gizmo81 wrote: »

I'm sorry that you feel my point is absurd.

I feel I substantiated my claim that Dublin Pride is depoliticised and have not made great choices in recent years. I stand by that claim.

The pride route is a political decision, while you state that the decision of the route isn't entirely in the hands of the board, it is the spirit of the gay rights movement to make it their decision!

Moving it from the City centre takes away our agency.

Yes I did feel the point was absurd. The issue of speakers in 2014 was resolved amicably. The relevant groups spoke. The current board members were not board members at that time. So yes it is absurd to link it to the current board as you did given that the speakers spoke and the board makeup has changed since.

The pride parade is a huge national event with tens of thousands participants. If you are suggesting pride organisers decide unilaterally that they and they alone can decide the route without any consultation with Dublin City Council and/or An Garda Siochana then good luck with that. I can't see such a suggestion garnering much support.

gizmo81

I'm sorry I don't believe it unreasonable to suggest that decisions by the board/boards of Dublin Pride in recent years have been depoliticised.

The fact you are so defensive about the issue is the very reason I would not become a member.

No I am not suggesting they make the decision without any consultation but what I am saying is what hope have we got in negotiating when the head of Dublin Pride thinks the need for pride is over.

Yes, It is a huge national event but it is not run like one and it certainly isn't treated as one.

The board were not resolute in negotiating the main route through O'Connell Street onto Dame Street the past number of years when St Patricks Festival have been able to secure this. This is my example of homormative I outlined earlier.

If people can't identify the bias how can they fight it.

Two years ago I was at Pride near the starting point and huge multinational companies had sent their logos, t-shirts etc but the vast majority of the people wearing them/walking with their banners were not working for the organisations. This should not be allowed.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yes I did feel the point was absurd. The issue of speakers in 2014 was resolved amicably. The relevant groups spoke. The current board members were not board members at that time. So yes it is absurd to link it to the current board as you did given that the speakers spoke and the board makeup has changed since.

The pride parade is a huge national event with tens of thousands participants. If you are suggesting pride organisers decide unilaterally that they and they alone can decide the route without any consultation with Dublin City Council and/or An Garda Siochana then good luck with that. I can't see such a suggestion garnering much support.

Annasopra

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Maybe this might be your thing

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gizmo81

That looks interesting thank you very much.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Fair enough

Maybe this might be your thing

https://www.facebook.com/events/681413468713807/?ti=cl

wayword16

The parade route this year is an absolute joke!!! Quite streets with very little public to cheer us on. Even last yr when we turned left onto Eden Quay it was so quite so now this yr there will be no point at all in making the effort. Don't forget and lose sight of the fact that Pride is supose to be both a Celebration and a Protest.

Waste of time this year i'm afraid....

Very disappointed......

wayword16

wayword16 wrote: »

The parade route this year is an absolute joke!!! Quite streets with very little public to cheer us on. Even last yr when we turned left onto Eden Quay it was so quite so now this yr there will be no point at all in making the effort. Don't forget and lose sight of the fact that Pride is supose to be both a Celebration and a Protest.

Waste of time this year i'm afraid....



Very disappointed......

Oh and I noticed The St Patricks Day Parade 2017 went down O'Connell St as usual a couple of months ago so can't we go down as well!!!!!

wayword16

St Patricks Day Parade 2017 marched down O'Connell St this year why can't our Pride Parade march down O'Connell St as well.
Instead we've to march down quiet streets where there will be very few members of the public to cheer us on.

Annasopra

Because of the luas cross city works

http://dublinpride.ie/parade/

Yep. Its ****. But as far as I can see the decision is made now. The pressure should be put on to reroute in 2018.

If you want it changed here is a few ideas

1 Email Dublin pride about it
2 Email garda press office about it
3 Email members of Dublin City Council about it
4 Maybe use uplift to set up an online petition on it.

Mr.Frame

wayword16 wrote: »

Oh and I noticed The St Patricks Day Parade 2017 went down O'Connell St as usual a couple of months ago so can't we go down as well!!!!!

Totally agree with you Wayword.

Im still baffled as to why the Pride committee agreed to this route.

Re the Patricks Day parade , this year it went "up" O Connell St (started around St Patricks Catheral and ended Parnell Sq)
I drive down O Connell St every day and cannot see why the Pride Parade cannot use the route we had last year.
I see no obstacles whatsoever, numerous buses and cars use the Parnell Sq O Connell St everyday.

baby and crumble

I don't understand why people are bitching so much about the route. It's done now, it can't be changed for this year, and there are reasons for it to be this route (trust me, committees for these things don't just make them up, this is a massive event which have to work with the gardai, the council, local area groups, transport infrastructure groups and more besides) and it is what it is.

Maybe we should all focus now on making it a great Pride event?

baby and crumble

wayword16 wrote: »

Oh and I noticed The St Patricks Day Parade 2017 went down O'Connell St as usual a couple of months ago so can't we go down as well!!!!!

Because this is over 3 months later and circumstances change?

gizmo81

Sorry but it's not bitching it's very valid criticism.

baby and crumble wrote: »

I don't understand why people are bitching so much about the route. It's done now, it can't be changed for this year, and there are reasons for it to be this route (trust me, committees for these things don't just make them up, this is a massive event which have to work with the gardai, the council, local area groups, transport infrastructure groups and more besides) and it is what it is.

Maybe we should all focus now on making it a great Pride event?

baby and crumble

wayword16 wrote: »

Instead we've to march down quiet streets where there will be very few members of the public to cheer us on.

Just an FYI a lot of the residents on those streets will be cheering us on. The Iveagh Trust flats on Kevin St (opposite the Garda station) voted unanimously to deck the whole place out in Pride flags for the event. I actually think it's awesome that they're getting a chance to do that and show support.

baby and crumble

gizmo81 wrote: »

Sorry but it's not bitching it's very valid criticism.

Ok, but it cannot be changed now. Ok, perhaps the committee made a bad call this year, or perhaps the gardai or the council or the transport groups put pressure on for whatever reason. Moaning about it, when there are clear reasons for a route change (luas works etc) is pointless and yes, it's turning toward bitching if you ask me.

gizmo81

The point has been made, that St. Patricks Parade the last few years has not had a route change. This is either subconscious or conscious bias.

Part of the problem is when people cannot identify it!

You cannot criticise the Pride committee because you get 'attitude' in return.

Instead of admitting it's a 'bad call' and turning up as normal, boycott, join a counter protest!

Just rolling over and depoliticising yourself is part of the problem.

baby and crumble wrote: »

Ok, but it cannot be changed now. Ok, perhaps the committee made a bad call this year, or perhaps the gardai or the council or the transport groups put pressure on for whatever reason. Moaning about it, when there are clear reasons for a route change (luas works etc) is pointless and yes, it's turning toward bitching if you ask me.

baby and crumble

gizmo81 wrote: »

The point has been made, that St. Patricks Parade the last few years has not had a route change. This is either subconscious or conscious bias.

I would argue that part of it is also a business decision.

The St. Patricks day Parade brings thousands of visitors to Ireland, spending their money. It is broadcast on TV across the globe, showcasing Ireland to bring overseas visitors here. It is held on a national holiday, meaning it is easier to suspend public transport for a time and reroute traffic etc from an already jammed route (because of Luas works).

All of these things means it's easier to get the money to reroute the luas works, suspend transport and block up the city for the St. Patricks Day Parade. The Pride parade takes place run entirely by volunteers, on a regular Saturday, and isn't broadcast anywhere. I may not like it, but it doesn't warrant the spending of public money to reroute public transport etc because there'll be minimal return on investment for the city.

Look, the parade route this year is crap. I know it, you know, and I'm sure by now the Pride committee and DCC know it. All I'm saying it if people are that concerned about it, then get involved in the committee for next year, complain to DCC, the Gardai and the transport groups like TransDev and Dublin Bus who probably objected to the main O'Connell St route. No point coming onto boards and bitching about it when it's clear this route is nobody's first choice.

That's all I'm saying. It's getting really tiresome at this point.

gizmo81

Believe me, no one is more tired than me!

Mr.Frame

baby and crumble wrote: »

I would argue that part of it is also a business decision.

The St. Patricks day Parade brings thousands of visitors to Ireland, spending their money. It is broadcast on TV across the globe, showcasing Ireland to bring overseas visitors here. It is held on a national holiday, meaning it is easier to suspend public transport for a time and reroute traffic etc from an already jammed route (because of Luas works).

All of these things means it's easier to get the money to reroute the luas works, suspend transport and block up the city for the St. Patricks Day Parade. The Pride parade takes place run entirely by volunteers, on a regular Saturday, and isn't broadcast anywhere. I may not like it, but it doesn't warrant the spending of public money to reroute public transport etc because there'll be minimal return on investment for the city.

Look, the parade route this year is crap. I know it, you know, and I'm sure by now the Pride committee and DCC know it. All I'm saying it if people are that concerned about it, then get involved in the committee for next year, complain to DCC, the Gardai and the transport groups like TransDev and Dublin Bus who probably objected to the main O'Connell St route. No point coming onto boards and bitching about it when it's clear this route is nobody's first choice.

That's all I'm saying. It's getting really tiresome at this point.

I agree, People SHOULD complain to DCC and the Pride Committee today and tomorrow and get a petition going .This planned route is ridiculous and shame on the committee for not taking a stand.

Mr.Frame

baby and crumble wrote: »

Just an FYI a lot of the residents on those streets will be cheering us on. The Iveagh Trust flats on Kevin St (opposite the Garda station) voted unanimously to deck the whole place out in Pride flags for the event. I actually think it's awesome that they're getting a chance to do that and show support.

Ah well thats that so.Some residents will wave at us,cant get much better than that.
Honestly, you think that is something to cheer about ?
The route as you well know, is disgraceful and goes along streets that arer away from the city centre, where it should be.

Mr.Frame

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Because of the luas cross city works

http://dublinpride.ie/parade/

Yep. Its ****. But as far as I can see the decision is made now. The pressure should be put on to reroute in 2018.

If you want it changed here is a few ideas

1 Email Dublin pride about it
2 Email garda press office about it
3 Email members of Dublin City Council about it
4 Maybe use uplift to set up an online petition on it.

Have you got the e mail addresses for the above?
It is NOT to late to try and get this years Pride Parade route changed. going down Georges St is far far better than the one proposed.

As for the "luas works" being the reason why it cannot go down O Connell St.
I travel down this street numerous times daily and I cannot see any reason why a parade cannot use it.
Can anyone give me a valid reason and point out what obstacles prevent our parade

Annasopra

gizmo81 wrote: »

The point has been made, that St. Patricks Parade the last few years has not had a route change. This is either subconscious or conscious bias.

Part of the problem is when people cannot identify it!

You cannot criticise the Pride committee because you get 'attitude' in return.

Instead of admitting it's a 'bad call' and turning up as normal, boycott, join a counter protest!

Just rolling over and depoliticising yourself is part of the problem.

Your criticism was answered and highlighted why parts of it were inaccurate and wrong. Fair enough if you want to organise a counter parade go ahead and do it.

Annasopra

Mr.Frame wrote: »

I agree, People SHOULD complain to DCC and the Pride Committee today and tomorrow and get a petition going .This planned route is ridiculous and shame on the committee for not taking a stand.

Go ahead then. Do all that. Instead of saying "people should" just do it. Complain. Set up your petition. Don't just say someone should.

Here you go; Pride Contact Details, DCC member details, Garda contact details, link to set up an online petition.


http://dublinpride.ie/contact/

https://www.dublincity.ie/councilmeetings/mgCommitteeMailingList.aspx?EM=0&ID=0

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=3430&Lang=1 (maybe try the head office or press and public relations office)


https://my.uplift.ie/

gizmo81

I must of missed that post, I haven't said anything inaccurate, what number was the post? Thanks

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Your criticism was answered and highlighted why parts of it were inaccurate and wrong. Fair enough if you want to organise a counter parade go ahead and do it.

Annasopra

gizmo81 wrote: »

I must of missed that post, I haven't said anything inaccurate, what number was the post? Thanks

The bit where you said the current pride board banned community organisations was not accurate. A) It was a different pride board The community organisations did speak - the proposal to drop them from speaking did not happen. There simply was no ban.

gizmo81

We're talking about the route!

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

The bit where you said the current pride board banned community organisations was not accurate. A) It was a different pride board The community organisations did speak - the proposal to drop them from speaking did not happen. There simply was no ban.

Annasopra

gizmo81 wrote: »

We're talking about the route!

Oh I know but you dragged it into "attitude"

gizmo81

You've lost me.

Crumble said it was tiresome listening to the community voicing their concerns.

I said I was tired with the pride committee.

You waltz in and think you can get one up by bringing in something unrelated to current discussion.

I query what I said was inaccurate and you bring in something off topic and not in the spirit of debate.

Then you accuse me of having an attitude.

Read your posts, you're the one with the defensive attitude problem.

Pride is a mess, you're part of the problem not the solution.

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Oh I know but you dragged it into "attitude"

Mr.Frame

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Go ahead then. Do all that. Instead of saying "people should" just do it. Complain. Set up your petition. Don't just say someone should.

Here you go; Pride Contact Details, DCC member details, Garda contact details, link to set up an online petition.


http://dublinpride.ie/contact/

https://www.dublincity.ie/councilmeetings/mgCommitteeMailingList.aspx?EM=0&ID=0

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=3430&Lang=1 (maybe try the head office or press and public relations office)


https://my.uplift.ie/

Thank you for the links .
Can i count on you to sign the petition when its up and running or do i take it you are on the Pride committee and see no problem with the current route

Annasopra

Mr.Frame wrote: »

Thank you for the links .
Can i count on you to sign the petition when its up and running or do i take it you are on the Pride committee and see no problem with the current route

Sure I'll sign the petition. There is no conspiracy to shut down criticism here just a discussion.

J_E

Pretty disappointed with the route. Goes into the middle of nowhere and feels like the final space is going to cause contention with residents. Goes through some narrow spaces too. Pretty questionable on a few counts. Georges St would have seemed the natural point for it to shine.

By far the worst part is that it has barely any stretch along the quays - that was one of the best points to see the parade in full view. Ugh, the more I think about it, the worse it seems. Why even deck the quays out in flags where it is barely going to be shown.